Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[Chelseaboy]

It's getting even better on HRB guys.I logged in today,and got 45 chat requests within 5 minutes.Mind you,these hotties do keep telling me how beautiful i am,so i must be.: )
I can't wait to go to Ukraine for the first time,as i now fully expect all the girls there to be falling at my feet,as i'm only in my fifties.: )))
What's that you say ? HRB is only make believe ? But it says Hot Russian BRIDES on the website...doesn't it ?

[TomT]

Sure, one more sucker to line the pockets of your newfound buddies.

Here's a novel idea. Spend at least 15 minutes checking out a site before recommending it.

If anyone thinks that it's more productive to buy some credits and waste them on spammers, then more power to them.

[GQBlues]

Well if nothing else the HRB administrater got a couple of guys to drop some money on his business, so his comming here wasn't a total waste of time.

LOL. Yup, and both are screaming 'scam'....

It's like walking through a beaten path leading to FSU and avoiding stepping on littered pieces of physt along the way. Some guys just have a need to step on it, look at it, smell it, maybe even touch it - just to make sure it is what it appeared to be. Maybe for fun, maybe for curiosity, or maybe they're just plain stupid to know the difference. Then they hurry to tell the guys who avoided them in the first place that it as in fact what those men already know it was...then they complain there's phsyt all over the place.

[Jooky]

What spammers Tom? HRB is a well monitored and safe dating environment, the best in the industry.

You investigated them thoroughly. Surely they wouldn't let most of their online population consist of spammers that slip through the cracks.  

[Jooky]

GQ, what's happening here is guys like Manny and Tom who got past the phsyt are now encouraging others to step right into it.

"It's not phsyt! It's gold!"

[Gator]

Gator,

Never underestimate how large flowers and gifts loom in the legend of FSU women.

I agree.  Flowers are a religion.

But at the correct time.  Not after a few emails.  Emails that the woman in the photo never wrote.  Emails to a woman who may not know you even exist (Sculpto's testimony).

The extraordinary girls have many admirers... do the analysis.

Can't buy love.  

She:  "Give me money."

He:    "Why?"

She:   "Because I am beautiful.".

[Faux Pas]

FP, I agree with most of what you wrote, but there is something here that seems to be forgotten.
I own a website/forum where over 400 members participate daily. I can tell you that it is near to impossible to follow each post, as even with 10 active forum moderators some offensive ones slip through.
I do not know how many staff HRB has to monitor the conversations, but it seems unlikely that they have enough to monitor all activity of all women online. I have asked several times to the guys who are shouting scam if there is a way to report women who are labeled as potential scammers, seem nobody even cares to reply or find out.
Also perhaps those who still have an active real profile could check if the women mentioned in this thread are still active, or perhaps their accounts were blocked as well.

The real test of any agency is not in what slips through, but in how they offer the possibility to correct things and how they react on that.

I dunno shadow. I don't really buy into that. I suspect HRB and any other such business could in fact clean it up if they wanted to. I suspect the profit margins are much better with his model as it is now. It would take a number of employees monitoring which would include more expense and then dismissing some cash cow money making agencies and ladies at the expense of some revenue generation. If it were a priority, they could do it. Obviously it is not a priority and doesn't fit into their business model. It's understandable they want the cash transactions happening as quick and as often as possible. I don't think anyone believes they are in this business as philanthropic reasons.

[Gator]

The real test of any agency is not in what slips through, but in how they offer the possibility to correct things and how they react on that.

Okay, where is CEO and his promised intitiatives for correcting the issues, many spurious issues?

BTW, it is more than intitiatives.  Implemetation is another matter.

[TomT]

I agree.  Flowers are a religion.

But at the correct time.  Not after a few emails.

True enough, it's better if she receives them before she gets hooked up with another, though.

[Jooky]

True enough, it's better if she receives them before she gets hooked up with another, though.

The advice keeps getting better and better!

Buy her love before someone else does. You need to add these gems of wisdom to Manny's book!

[Gator]

True enough, it's better if she receives them before she gets hooked up with another, though.

It is now apparent.  You have HRB's flower concession.  Come on, admit it.

[Gator]

TomT,

 

You need to use smileys, otherwise I think you are serious.

[Gator]

You'd think so. So why is TomT recommending HRB? I don't think anyone here would say he's not an intelligent guy. Would Manny recommend HRB too? How about Andrew? I betcha they would.

It is not just these three carpetbaggers.  Some solid citizens at RWD have also joined the parade.

So what's the real deal going on?

Something is awry.

[TomT]

It is now apparent.  You have HRB's flower concession.  Come on, admit it.

Perfume, cell phones and designer shoes, also...

[Gator]

Perfume, cell phones and designer shoes, also...

You are on your way!  However, you will need a Victoria's Secret franchise before you can retire. 

[Shadow]

I dunno shadow. I don't really buy into that. I suspect HRB and any other such business could in fact clean it up if they wanted to. I suspect the profit margins are much better with his model as it is now. It would take a number of employees monitoring which would include more expense and then dismissing some cash cow money making agencies and ladies at the expense of some revenue generation. If it were a priority, they could do it. Obviously it is not a priority and doesn't fit into their business model. It's understandable they want the cash transactions happening as quick and as often as possible. I don't think anyone believes they are in this business as philanthropic reasons.

FP you are 100% right here. If HRB would really clean up, and by that I mean clean both the female *and* male trash out, there would not be enough left to pay for the hosting.

HRB may take a beating here and at RUA, but that will most probably not even significantly hurt the business they are having. It will however hurt CEO that his efforts to change the game are never enough as there will always be fingers pointing. From his post here it seems that he has figured that out, and hopes to create something that takes away the issues en have right now.

As for gifts and flowers, I see that the greedy men are still around. Yes it would be foolish to send expensive gifts to strangers, but if you are spending a good amount on getting to know a woman by chat, giving her flowers for a special occasion would be appreciated.
Remember that the women experience the large amount of guys who never do anything else as try to talk them out of their clothes, so it helps to get noticed if the chocolate they use is on your dime.  
Russian Flora and other gift shops send out similar mails, without getting slammed for it.

[Misha]

The advice keeps getting better and better!

Buy her love before someone else does. You need to add these gems of wisdom to Manny's book!

Yes, I wonder what next. Perhaps counseling men to send money to a woman they never met because she needs help for a visa or a dying grandmother as you never know, there is a very remote chance that she could be real 

[Misha]

As for gifts and flowers, I see that the greedy men are still around.

Some say greedy, I say rational  :evil:

[Jooky]

1.Never send money to someone you have never met.

2.Always have a back-up plan

3.Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.

4.Always get the lady's home address and home phone number as early as possible.

5.Verify the ladies you are writing to are real.

6.Do not fall in love with photos!! Just added!

7.Always be yourself. Show the ladies the real you. Be truthful. Use current photos.

8.Do not rush into this! Take your time and be methodical, not impulsive, about this process.

9.Treat international dating the same as dating someone from your home country. The biggest difference is the cost (travel, phone. etc). This is an expensive process. Don't believe anyone that tells you otherwise.

10.THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A MAIL-ORDER BRIDE! They do not exist.

Are there any others we can cross out with this new round of sage advice from our experienced men?

[Misha]

Jooky,

You might as well cross out number 6. Isn't the driving force behind HRB that men will fall in love with photos? And, if you do not fall in love with the photo and rush forward to buy flowers and other gifts you will be labeled greedy  :evil:

And, if you cross out all the rest and put aside critical thinking, why would you even bother with 2?

Misha

[Shadow]

Jooky, based on the actions of facetrock and yourself, cross out nr 7.

[Shadow]

Some say greedy, I say rational  :evil:

That depends on what you call rational.
Spending $3000 and one week to make a trip across the ocean, spend hundreds on communication but not send a $50 gift that the woman may enjoy just as much as a personal appearance.

[Chelseaboy]

Chats with some of these webcam girls are not a total waste of time to be fair.Some of them actually don't want to blather on about sex.
I was told by one girl that slavic people consider themselves artful,and that they would never change their corrupt ways,and that they consider westerners extremely gullible.
Going by some of the comments that have been defending HRB/RLM on this forum,i have to say i agree with her.
Sending a girl flowers,who chats with you for money ? Whatever next ? Maybe set up a nice little pension plan for her,for when her chatting days are over ?

[Faux Pas]

FP you are 100% right here. If HRB would really clean up, and by that I mean clean both the female *and* male trash out, there would not be enough left to pay for the hosting.

HRB may take a beating here and at RUA, but that will most probably not even significantly hurt the business they are having. It will however hurt CEO that his efforts to change the game are never enough as there will always be fingers pointing. From his post here it seems that he has figured that out, and hopes to create something that takes away the issues en have right now.

As for gifts and flowers, I see that the greedy men are still around. Yes it would be foolish to send expensive gifts to strangers, but if you are spending a good amount on getting to know a woman by chat, giving her flowers for a special occasion would be appreciated.
Remember that the women experience the large amount of guys who never do anything else as try to talk them out of their clothes, so it helps to get noticed if the chocolate they use is on your dime.  
Russian Flora and other gift shops send out similar mails, without getting slammed for it.

Shadow most of the detractors against the practices of HRB on this thread and forum find the whole idea of having to sift through whores and sex chat girls to find more honest, more morally refined women for possible marriage a bit repulsive. Understandably so, who wants to waste time, effort and expense courting a whore?

There are many men and HRB customers that obviously want just that. Thats all well and good but, playing both sides of the fence may work and be acceptable for the whore seekers, it doesn't sit real well with those in a serious quest for meet and date a more "wholesome" woman. There does seem to me to be an answer and happy medium here  but, it doesn't seem to be something CEO or HRB is interested in pursuing.

[Gator]

FP you are 100% right here. If HRB would really clean up, and by that I mean clean both the female *and* male trash out, there would not be enough left to pay for the hosting.

That would leave only Jooky and me, and we would not send flowers to each other.

"Trash?!"  Doesn't say much for my fellow man and the female jewels dear to my spirit.  A little testy today?

HRB may take a beating here and at RUA, but that will most probably not even significantly hurt the business.

I am not trying to hurt their business.  And you are correct that participants at RWD are just a modest percentage of  men in the pursuit of RW.   BTW, is the HRB business revenue  growing?

It will however hurt CEO that his efforts to change the game are never enough as there will always be fingers pointing. From his post here it seems that he has figured that out, and hopes to create something that takes away the issues en have right now.

He said "Stay tuned."  I am here.  His heart may be in the right place, yet implementation is beyond his control. Personally, I don't know what he can do given certain parameters.  If I were CEO, I would put a few patches on some holes.  However, I would focus my attention upon improving the stable of women and eliminating the titillating greeters.  However, he knows where his bread is buttered and perhaps needs them.   Just don't expect FP, Jooky, et al to endorse the sleaze element.     

As for gifts and flowers, I see that the greedy men are still around. Yes it would be foolish to send expensive gifts to strangers, but if you are spending a good amount on getting to know a woman by chat, giving her flowers for a special occasion would be appreciated.

Greedy - and that comes from a Dutchman.    We had a saying, the Dutch can buy from the Scots and sell to the Jews and make a profit.  Considering the source, do I take greedy as a compliment.

The important point is why pay a hefty amount for video chat when you can do it for free if you met your woman at EM, Russian Euro, etc.?   And it is not possibly filtered.  The quality can be bad with some locales and with some women who can not afford a better PC or ISP.

Russian Flora and other gift shops send out similar mails, without getting slammed for it.

Please.  They aren't here saying how good they are.