Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[GQBlues]

.....GQ-
 I could state how to best *try* and navigate that minefield.
but i'm loathe to send anyone towards a known minefield..
prefer to direct them to greener pastures?
 
One reason,the very basic premise,  how do you tell someone how to sense and detect sincerety somewhat accurately and quickly?
Truth is I don't know how to, yet i've always managed to do so, I can see it in someone readily.. or just lucky a great percentage of the time? Who is to know?
( in that quick context,, I  certainly can miss sincerety  in people of course! so may pass by some that where sincere)
but i'm rarely taken in by insincerety.

Jumper-
 
If this was in response to my curiosity posts about remiel's experience, then I submit that's part of the reason I thought it would *somehow* give an overview on how can anyone (the stubborn ones anyway) go through the *passage* with an emphasis for damage control, or sheer scam avoidance altogether. After all, that is a part of giving out advice to someone asking for guidance.
 
Your second point is basically my position in this discussion. You are equipped with your innate/acquired senses to keep you from harm, so basically you can likely go through the process unscathed. Probably just like Remiel did.
 
So CE?

[remiel6]

Sorry for the delay. I will attempt to clarify a few points.


1. yes the email encryption happened before we met. My wife wrote me telling me that because she was moving and could not come to the agency anymore our communication would have to stop. I told her not to, that I would pay HRB for the information and get her phone number and real address. The problem is my wife's English was not very good. So she wrote me back and gave me the translators email address and I wrote the translator and then in a separate email, once we communicated outside HRB I received her real address.


2. as for cost it was about 50 - 70 dollars a month. I paid for a monthly subscription or something like that.


3. She wrote her first letter to me on August 1st and we met in person Just before Christmas. I think December 22 or 23.


4. I was paranoid because she was from Lugansk, but in the end she never asked for anything. She never asked for presents, or had sick parents. As Christmas approached I asked her what she wanted for Christmas and she said me , so I gave her a suprise present.


If I missed any questions let me know.

[iheartequities]

Since there's been very little information provided about RLM, I wanted to share that this site is 100% a scam based on the following:

You sign up for the website through their silver membership which allows you to send an initial email (or response) and read all mail.

You receive an initial email from GIRL A (in addition to thirty others).  Email appears to be form email, but you send a reply anyway.  She sends you bogus attachment of her from a script called "AttachmentImageGenerator.aspx"

Three days later, after you've CONVERSING with said individual, she sends you the identical FORM email that you received initially.

Stay away from HRB/RLM.

[Hammer2722]

No surprises here. That's the general consensus...

[neo]

This subject has been done to death.


Like any site, HRB has its mix of genuine, pro daters and dodgy agencies.


The diamonds in the rough are girls who signed up direct with them through zolushka. My ex did that, these girls generally are ones with normal photos, write letters that aren't form since they aren't translated and are very rarely on chat and unlikely to write to you unless you write to them first.


The cam girls and permachatters - well its obvious. Just log on several days a row, if they live online its obviously pay for chat, if they only log in at lunchtime or late in the evening its because they have a normal job, life etc.


The website is a good model, they know virtually nobody who goes on there is ever going to turn up so they extract an appropriate rent for their digital services.


The mistake a lot of guys are making is thinking they are a marriage agency - they are not, they are a niche version of match.com that focuses on rw uw. You have to treat it the same


Its unfair to accuse them of scamming per se, a lot of men are scamming themselves by choosing women who are obviously playing with them and out of their league, if you want a fantasy then hrb will sell you that, but its your choice and is no different than paying a webcam girl for chat.


Are there girls there who just do it for fun. Yes, my ex and all her friends signed up as a fun hobby, none of them expected to meet anyone. If the right guy turned up they were open to it but they were very clear they werent going to accept any old guy with the right passport.


I've used both hrb and anastasia, anastasia is an outright scam. All my ex's letters she wrote herself, the girl i dated on AD didnt even know who i was. Meet the right girl on HRB and you can go it alone, AD translators make it almost impossible to even spend 5 minutes alone with your date.


Where the problem is


Some of the same local agencies that operate on AD operate on HRB - so they pull the same scam, if you have an agency girl you are more likely to be in trouble, if you meet a girl who signed up via zolushka chances are you have a good chance if you tick all her boxes.


Another point, conditional to their agency memberships the girls have to write to the older guys who they dont want and take the first meeting with them. The girls arent scamming you, the agencies are, but if you write to a girl 30 years younger than you and you dont look like goerge clooney you are cruising for a burn anyway.


As long as you treat HRB like match.com, ignore the spam, don't get sucked into expensive chatathons and are selective with the profiles you choose and realistic about your likely attractiveness then there are some nuggets of gold in there because zolushka has good marketing.


but you have to treat it like dating opportunities that may lead to a serious relationship, not a marriage agency and be wise enough to avoid the pro's.

[Hammer2722]

This subject has been done to death.


Like any site, HRB has its mix of genuine, pro daters and dodgy agencies.


The diamonds in the rough are girls who signed up direct with them through zolushka. My ex did that, these girls generally are ones with normal photos, write letters that aren't form since they aren't translated and are very rarely on chat and unlikely to write to you unless you write to them first.


The cam girls and permachatters - well its obvious. Just log on several days a row, if they live online its obviously pay for chat, if they only log in at lunchtime or late in the evening its because they have a normal job, life etc.


The website is a good model, they know virtually nobody who goes on there is ever going to turn up so they extract an appropriate rent for their digital services.


The mistake a lot of guys are making is thinking they are a marriage agency - they are not, they are a niche version of match.com that focuses on rw uw. You have to treat it the same


Its unfair to accuse them of scamming per se, a lot of men are scamming themselves by choosing women who are obviously playing with them and out of their league, if you want a fantasy then hrb will sell you that, but its your choice and is no different than paying a webcam girl for chat.


Are there girls there who just do it for fun. Yes, my ex and all her friends signed up as a fun hobby, none of them expected to meet anyone. If the right guy turned up they were open to it but they were very clear they werent going to accept any old guy with the right passport.


I've used both hrb and anastasia, anastasia is an outright scam. All my ex's letters she wrote herself, the girl i dated on AD didnt even know who i was. Meet the right girl on HRB and you can go it alone, AD translators make it almost impossible to even spend 5 minutes alone with your date.


Where the problem is


Some of the same local agencies that operate on AD operate on HRB - so they pull the same scam, if you have an agency girl you are more likely to be in trouble, if you meet a girl who signed up via zolushka chances are you have a good chance if you tick all her boxes.


Another point, conditional to their agency memberships the girls have to write to the older guys who they dont want and take the first meeting with them. The girls arent scamming you, the agencies are, but if you write to a girl 30 years younger than you and you dont look like goerge clooney you are cruising for a burn anyway.


As long as you treat HRB like match.com, ignore the spam, don't get sucked into expensive chatathons and are selective with the profiles you choose and realistic about your likely attractiveness then there are some nuggets of gold in there because zolushka has good marketing.


but you have to treat it like dating opportunities that may lead to a serious relationship, not a marriage agency and be wise enough to avoid the pro's.

Why use PPL/PPC sites at all? Most of the girls that use these sites also use the free sites as well. It makes absolutely no sense to spend that kind of maney on the off chance that you will find a diamond in the rough...

[neo]

Personally i dont use the chat function at all and stay within the bundled email package, i qualified a long time ago so can request direct contact from any serious potentials,


I've tried everything from pof to match and the free personals and go with what works for me, i like their packaging so am happy to pay a reasonable fee for their service.


I found match.com and pof to be a complete waste of time, and other free websites had lots of dead profiles - anastasia i wont even consider and em never worked for me.


That said i'm only in my thirties so write to women close to my age, as said nothing works for everyone, i wouldn't recommend any one website or service.

[BillyB]

if you want a fantasy then hrb will sell you that,

It's been a few years since I looked at their site so I just took another peek and nowhere do they say they are selling fantasies. I believe the porn industry has more integrity when it comes to advertising.

[Chelseaboy]

And prostitutes have better morals and are more honest than the prodaters from HRB/RLM.

[steveboy]

HRB issued me a writ only a few months back saying they own the term "Hot Russian brides" which was a trade mark and I was breaking the law by using the key words "Hot Russian brides" In my site. As if I would want that shitty wording in my site anyway!

[Manny]

HRB issued me a writ only a few months back saying they own the term "Hot Russian brides" which was a trade mark and I was breaking the law by using the key words "Hot Russian brides" In my site. As if I would want that shitty wording in my site anyway!

Well, obviously you were using the term to try to steal their traffic.


But then again, you aren't a stranger to dubious practice are you? As anyone who Googles email2femail would know.

[steveboy]

Well, obviously you were using the term to try to steal their traffic.


But then again, you aren't a stranger to dubious practice are you? As anyone who Googles email2femail would know.

Ohh dear its mr clean cut manny! Firstly I have no need to steal their traffic!As every other Russian dating related site "hot russian brides" is one of hundreds of key words. I have the fastest growing most legitimate site on the net:) people do all sorts of things to start a business and Im sure spamming a few forums is just one of many things. The site has been created by someone who has much more experience In Eastern Europe than you could possibly ever imagine. I would be very carful what you say mr manny I am close friends with several of your clients and things have moved on considerably over the last five years:) I do not intend to get into arguments with you again.

[jone]

Ohh dear its mr clean cut manny! Firstly I have no need to steal their traffic!As every other Russian dating related site "hot russian brides" is one of hundreds of key words. I have the fastest growing most legitimate site on the net:) people do all sorts of things to start a business and Im sure spamming a few forums is just one of many things. The site has been created by someone who has much more experience In Eastern Europe than you could possibly ever imagine. I would be very carful what you say mr manny I am close friends with several of your clients and things have moved on considerably over the last five years:) I do not intend to get into arguments with you again.

I hope you use Spell Check on your website.  Just sayin!  Nice rant, though.

[steveboy]

I hope you use Spell Check on your website.  Just sayin!  Nice rant, though.

Thanks:) There is plenty more from where that comes, one of this guys clients is a monitor on my site .
If you see any mmm spelling mistakes let me know

[Manny]

I would be very carful what you say mr manny I am close friends with several of your clients and things have moved on considerably over the last five years:)

More threats? 


I doubt you know *any* of my clients.

I do not intend to get into arguments with you again.

A wise choice.

[steveboy]

More threats? 


I doubt you know *any* of my clients.



A wise choice.

Would you like me to prove you wrong? I believe one of your clients, well your wife's clients for your Skype translation service, is actually a moderator for my site among other things . May I remind you of the terms for commercial members of this forum just incase God Almighty never took time to read "(2) May not engage in ANY contentious exchange with any other Commercial member.
Good Maddy I hope I will not be troubled by you again

[Manny]

If you want to lecture me on forum rules, peruse the ones about duplicate accounts.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8980.msg174609#msg174609

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9499.0

Banning actions are considered security measures to protect International Relations and its members. Registering an account to circumvent a ban is an action to penetrate International Relations' security measures.

Is this your third account here? Fourth? Fifth?

No need to reply and try to deflect further that you were busted using HRB's trade mark.

I do not intend to get into arguments with you again.

Take your own advice.

[steveboy]

If you want to lecture me on forum rules, peruse the ones about duplicate accounts.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=8980.msg174609#msg174609

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9499.0

Is this your third account here? Fourth? Fifth?

No need to reply and try to deflect further that you were busted using HRB's trade mark.

Take your own advice.

Try growing up and moving on. Im not wasting any more breath on you

[IAmZon]

Some industries and business segments seem to foster less cooperation among it's members than others.    I have noticed lawyers cooperate to a large degree.  They make more money together than separately.  I have noticed furniture manufactures are almost paranoid at the presence of any other furniture manufacture ... artists? they are even worse.


But, there does seem to be a slew of shhhhet among all those that are in the MOB biz.   Why?


There are many reasons, and most should be obvious.  But, the bottom line is that most American men are seeking only a chance with a good women.  That can come in chance encounters; in agencies that are mostly focused on generating income (it is a business after all); or in a business that is less ambitious in its business philosophy and more sincere with its mission (very rare). 


I think volunteering for charities and missions would be more humanly enriching, and a superior way to actually meet normal people.  There are language exchanges at universities.  These seem superior ways to meet people to me.  Once a woman advertises herself in an accelerated - often time false - match making / marriage service ... well, little good comes from that.  Of course there are exceptions. 

[steveboy]

Should I be criticised for a few shall we say misdemeanors? Any body who knows anybody in the Internet business will be fully aware big sites such as Facebook and Vkontact along with many others in the early days used many underhand tactics to get a footing, including hacking many other sites ( Im not defending them). Five years ago, after already spending nearly five years in Eastern Europe on all sorts of adventures I decided my home was in Russia. I set about creating a Russian dating site, for me the internet was something I had never been involved with and I had no idea how I was going to promote my first site!
Like so many I did what ever I could to try to bring some traffic to the site, that included joining up to a whole load of forums and dating sites often under other  names leaving links. Of course that was five years ago, times have moved on considerably now. Tactics I used to promote my site five years ago I know now are a total waste of time. You live and learn by your mistakes, even the greatest leaders in history.

For me it was not about making huge amounts of money, I was on a mission to live my Russian dream if that involved just making $100 a week and working part time in Russia so be it. No one here can understand my sheer determination to relocate to Mother Russia, for many it would be an impossible task.

That is all history now! As things have turned out I have developed the fastest growing site on the net for Eastern European dating, other than Cupid I have more women signing up from search results daily than any other sites, sometimes by the bus load. Of course I want to make some money from the business. But out of all vast majority of "Russian bride" related businesses on the net I am one of the few who actually lives and is involved in Russia along with probably more trips, travels and adventures than the vast majority on this forum, I speak Russian have many many Russian friends and have a huge wealth of knowledge on Russia.

Do I deserve to be criticised for a few spamming and web promotion tactics from five years ago??

Excuse any bad grammar 

[Faux Pas]

That is all history now! As things have turned out I have developed the fastest growing site on the net for Eastern European dating, other than Cupid I have more women signing up from search results daily than any other sites, sometimes by the bus load. Of course I want to make some money from the business. But out of all vast majority of "Russian bride" related businesses on the net I am one of the few who actually lives and is involved in Russia along with probably more trips, travels and adventures than the vast majority on this forum, I speak Russian have many many Russian friends and have a huge wealth of knowledge on Russia.

Do I deserve to be criticised for a few spamming and web promotion tactics from five years ago??

I was with you right up to this part. You seem to be making some claims likely nobody can substantiate and likely quite dishonest. Eastern European dating is pretty broad. Also, your claim of one of the few who live it would be wrong, too.

The answer to the criticism you speak of is yes. You do deserve it if you did it. Admit it as you are doing, stop doing it and move on.

Nobody here faults you that I know of, for plugging your business. That's why we have commercial members. They are all chumming for business. It's expected, within limits.

I would caution you however to not bring your personal battles/disagreements from other fora here to RWD to play out. We have enough organic flames that originate here to be the dumping ground of others. Fair enough?

[steveboy]

I was with you right up to this part. You seem to be making some claims likely nobody can substantiate and likely quite dishonest. Eastern European dating is pretty broad. Also, your claim of one of the few who live it would be wrong, too.

The answer to the criticism you speak of is yes. You do deserve it if you did it. Admit it as you are doing, stop doing it and move on.

Nobody here faults you that I know of, for plugging your business. That's why we have commercial members. They are all chumming for business. It's expected, within limits.

I would caution you however to not bring your personal battles/disagreements from other fora here to RWD to play out. We have enough organic flames that originate here to be the dumping ground of others. Fair enough?

I do believe I never brought any battles here from any other forums? I also believe I did not actually start any battles with any commercial members? Or never have done on personal level?
Im interested in what claims I make are quiet likely dishonest, please enlighten me? no bad feelings, just interested

[Faux Pas]

Should I be criticised for a few shall we say misdemeanors? Any body who knows anybody in the Internet business will be fully aware big sites such as Facebook and Vkontact along with many others in the early days used many underhand tactics to get a footing, including hacking many other sites ( Im not defending them). Five years ago, after already spending nearly five years in Eastern Europe on all sorts of adventures I decided my home was in Russia. I set about creating a Russian dating site, for me the internet was something I had never been involved with and I had no idea how I was going to promote my first site!
Like so many I did what ever I could to try to bring some traffic to the site, that included joining up to a whole load of forums and dating sites often under other  names leaving links. Of course that was five years ago, times have moved on considerably now. Tactics I used to promote my site five years ago I know now are a total waste of time. You live and learn by your mistakes, even the greatest leaders in history.

For me it was not about making huge amounts of money, I was on a mission to live my Russian dream if that involved just making $100 a week and working part time in Russia so be it. No one here can understand my sheer determination to relocate to Mother Russia, for many it would be an impossible task.

That is all history now! As things have turned out I have developed the fastest growing site on the net for Eastern European dating, other than Cupid I have more women signing up from search results daily than any other sites, sometimes by the bus load. Of course I want to make some money from the business. But out of all vast majority of "Russian bride" related businesses on the net I am one of the few who actually lives and is involved in Russia along with probably more trips, travels and adventures than the vast majority on this forum, I speak Russian have many many Russian friends and have a huge wealth of knowledge on Russia.

Do I deserve to be criticised for a few spamming and web promotion tactics from five years ago??

Excuse any bad grammar 

No problem or bad feelings. As you asked

[steveboy]

Ok as they say in the UK " The proof of the pudding is in the eating" Im giving ALL and ANY guys from this forum free Gold membership in my site for one month, compare the sign ups and women for yourself:)Scammers? I think not:) Let the multitudes decide. just PM any one interested.

As for my adventures in Russia, I havn't all week to write that down

[Faux Pas]

Ok as they say in the UK " The proof of the pudding is in the eating" Im giving ALL and ANY guys from this forum free Gold membership in my site for one month, compare the sign ups and women for yourself:)Scammers? I think not:) Let the multitudes decide. just PM any one interested.

As for my adventures in Russia, I havn't all week to write that down

Sounds like a good offer for any newbies looking on to take a test drive. I'm not interested personally as I am married. I'm not accusing you of anything. Those statements are however misleading for any of those same newbies looking on. I would wager there are 100's or 1000's of websites based on Russian women alone. Add to that all of EE and it might reach 100's of 1000's. Most of which are full of scammers along with sincere women. You might wish to think there are no scammers but unless you've tested them all personally, there is no way you can know that. Disingenious statement at the least.

If you have a good site and you are proud of it, good on ya, seriously. There have been quite a few expats in Russia, Ukraine and other places. Building websites and applying all kinds of trades. Obviously after 10 years it must be working out for you but, it is apparently more common than you think.