"The Russian Bride Business Is Dead" ? Really?

[facetrock]

 I gotta agree with Billy about FSU men and their attitudes, not all are like that but a lot are.
 I still think you can track the demise of the agencys to the availability of the internet in the FSU. The women get to play by their rules when they sign up on the free sites. To me this is all good news for everyone involved.
  I think Andrew is right that there are not as many desperate women trying to get out. More good news for everyone involved. I do think with the internet more available you now have more women considering all possibilities from their computers at home.

 The days of waving your passport in the air and having a flock of women surround you has been gone for years. Good thing too.

 As far as the better economy in the FSU affecting the lack of willing women. I dont think its done much at all. If anything more women are available since they can now afford computers and the internet.

 Standard of living. I've been to a lot of cities in the FSU and once you get away from the center its still not even close to most places in Western Europe and the USA. This is also where the majority of the people live. The foreign guy with a 15 year old three bedroom two bathroom double garage house still has a huge advantage over the average FSU male, and theres a lot of men like that searching.

  I wont even talk about infrastructure, traffic problems, pollution, corruption run rampant and the general falling down appearance of most of the buildings away from the center. Anyone who's been there knows what thats like.

In my opinion decent foreign men with something to offer will be able to find a wife in the FSU for decades to come.

[Jooky]

You can blow smoke as much as you like, but I know exactly what you want to achieve and what the e-mail adresses will be used for.

What is he trying to achieve? Because I really don't get.

When I read the report I figured it was marketing a future product or service for either agency owners or bride seekers. If the target is agency owners, there's no need to build a mailing list. If the target is serious bride seekers he would care about what people here think of his presentation methods, which he clearly doesn't.

I know opt in mailing lists can have a lot of value to the right buyer, but what's the target audience here? Gullible suckers? If so, then there's no real need for an opt in list, just spam away and the fools will come.

Maybe he wants to pump up the value of his list by convincing agencies that they'll need these targeted lists more in the future as search engines are cracking down on Russian Bride adverisement? At least that's what's claimed in the report. He states that if you try to place an ad on Yahoo or Bing with the terms "Russian Bride" it won't be accepted.

I searched for Russian Bride and Mail Order Bride on both with results like this:
http://search.yahoo.com/sponsored_search;_ylt=A0oG7nCKeCBNzz8AGNpXNyoA?p=russian+bride&fr2=srp&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-701
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Mail+Order+Brides&FORM=QSRE3

Those look like pay-per-click sponsored ads to me. 

It'd be great if Andrew would shed some light on what he's really up to, but that seems to be a surprise saved for later. In the meantime I'm scratching my head and am at least interested in what Shadow thinks this is all about.

[andrewfi]

Shadow, please remove the link to my copyright work, you are a moderator on this forum and thus responsible for what appears. By posting this document as a moderator you have taken yourself outside of the safe harbor protections that the webmaster might otherwise have relied upon.

Unless you or another moderator removes that link I will approach the host for this site and insitgate a DMCA takedown notice.

I do not have to make explicit distribution restrictions to protect my intellectual property. My copyright is implicit at the point of creation under US law. (We can assume that as Dan is a US resident/citizen and the site is hosted from the US that US is the applicable law.)

[Shadow]

Shadow, please remove the link to my copyright work, you are a moderator on this forum and thus responsible for what appears. By posting this document as a moderator you have taken yourself outside of the safe harbor protections that the webmaster might otherwise have relied upon.

Unless you or another moderator removes that link I will approach the host for this site and insitgate a DMCA takedown notice.

I do not have to make explicit distribution restrictions to protect my intellectual property. My copyright is implicit at the point of creation under US law. (We can assume that as Dan is a US resident/citizen and the site is hosted from the US that US is the applicable law.)

Andrew the document is unchanged. As I do not wish to make any problems for RWD, it will be taken down, I think we have seen your real face already.

[andrewfi]

Shadow, you have been the third person to demonstrate the need for copyright protection and the reason why I have chosen to distribute my work as I have done.

If it is wrong for me to seek to ensure that my intellectual property is protected then I am the bad man. That you chose to remove the link within minutes me noting your infringement you have demonstrated that you knew you were in the wrong. If you were correct in your assertions and confident of it then as a representative of RWD you would NOT have removed the link to the document hosted on RWD's server.

That you did these silly things tells us much more about you than it does me. We, and I am sure Dan, have learned something of how trustworthy you are - not very.

Apart from confirming that my IP is NOT available for others to take and use as they choose the matter is now closed from my point of view. I hope that the site management deal with the matter from here on out.

[Manny]

As there is nowhere any restriction against publication or spreading the report, anyone who wishes to read the report can use the attachment.

Shadow, copyright is automatic at the point of creation; it need not be registered anywhere. Go read the Berne convention.

Stealing copyrighted content and publishing it here was a spectacularly dim thing to do. Especially as Dan is known to be quite keen on matters connected to copyright.

[Shadow]

Andrew my apologies that I was not on target with my knowledge of copyright and intellectual property. In my country the intellectual property is limited to not altering the work and naming the source, where as distribution can only be prohibited if there is a clause in the work itself. You might wish to review your report in order to make it comply with international law, just to avoid any further confusion.

You are not very successful in trying to hide that you are expecting to make money on the e-mails of those who register at your site to read the, in my view worthless, report.

[Shadow]

Shadow, copyright is automatic at the point of creation; it need not be registered anywhere. Go read the Berne convention.

Stealing copyrighted content and publishing it here was a spectacularly dim thing to do. Especially as Dan is known to be quite keen on matters connected to copyright.

I come from a land where I was raised in the knowledge that what is not written as being forbidden is allowed.
It seems that freedom implicates everything is forbidden unless permitted in writing.

[Boethius]

Stealing copyrighted content and publishing it here was a spectacularly dim thing to do. Especially as Dan is known to be quite keen on matters connected to copyright.

The allegation of theft is quite a strong one to make.  Further, you should be aware that the US does indeed require registration in order for materials to be copyrighted within the US, notwithstanding it is a convention signatory.

The bottom line is, Andrew is flogging a product, whether directly or indirectly, and members should be made aware of that.

[dbneeley]

The allegation of theft is quite a strong one to make.  Further, you should be aware that the US does indeed require registration in order for materials to be copyrighted within the US, notwithstanding it is a convention signatory.

Sorry, but your statement about U.S. copyright law is completely incorrect. Copyright lies with the creator upon first publication--but under the law "publication" includes transmitting it to a second party even in a letter or email. Registration is encouraged only because it makes copyright defense easier, not because it is in any way required. (Even unpublished works are protected if obtained unlawfully).

However, it is not correct that no excerpts of a copyright work can be included in a review or critique--that does indeed fall under the "Fair Use" doctrine both in the U.S. and regarding signatories to the Bern Convention on Copyright, I believe. As the applicable section of the law, as published by the U.S. Copyright office puts it:

"§ 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use40

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

Thus, while it would be unlawful to publish the entire contents of the copyright work here, to include selections from it for purposes of critique would be completely lawful and in order.

Andrew, therefore, appears equally wrong in his assertions regarding copyright in this instance.

While it's been some years since I practiced law, I believe the current state of intellectual property law in the U.S. is as I have stated.

David

[andrewfi]

David, I have not suggested that no quotations may be made. You might have been reading something written by somebody else. Shadow was NOT quoting my work, nor did he give attribution. He plundered my work in complete and without attribution and then invited anyone to come take it and pass it on. I doubt that Shadow lives, or comes from a country whose legal system does NOT recognise the Berne convention.

However, what you may not know is that fair use, in the US, is always decided on a case by case basis whenever such a defence is challenged. For that reason many website owners choose to not place themselves in harm's way and I understand that Dan is usually on the ball in this regard.

So, if you want to read the report 'Death of a Russian Bride' as I intended it to be read you will need to go here: http://andrewwilsonnews.com

To aid people having problems with this issue, and a couple related to it, I have written a commentary which can be read here or here.

[tfcrew]

Here I copied the copyright site...



http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

[andrewfi]

Here I copied the copyright site...
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

Thanks for that!

[Ade]

Andrew, did you ever answer the question regarding HRB? It also passed through my mind that it's a little coincidental that this report appears not long after the HRB trip and the subsequent change of heart wrt some of the criticisms that were normally aimed towards HRB and their affiliates.

Is the "next instalment" some scheme that ties in with HRB's "changing the industry"?

And who is paying the sign up fee? I find it unlikely that you would put up your own money. It's more likely the very deep pockets of HRB's CEO... at least it's more believable.

But whatever. This unusual behaviour of yours not to mention the strangely written "report" is just bizarre.

[andrewfi]

Andrew, did you ever answer the question regarding HRB? It also passed through my mind that it's a little coincidental that this report appears not long after the HRB trip and the subsequent change of heart wrt some of the criticisms that were normally aimed towards HRB and their affiliates.

Is the "next instalment" some scheme that ties in with HRB's "changing the industry"?

And who is paying the sign up fee? I find it unlikely that you would put up your own money. It's more likely the very deep pockets of HRB's CEO... at least it's more believable.

But whatever. This unusual behaviour of yours not to mention the strangely written "report" is just bizarre.

I refer you to my post above: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12882.msg254028#msg254028

[JR]

I haven't read it and after all this nonsense about it there's no way in hell I'll be giving my email to anyone just to read it.

[andrewfi]

I haven't read it and after all this nonsense about it there's no way in hell I'll be giving my email to anyone just to read it.

JR, it is your choice to read or not but you might want to bear this in mind. The purpose of some posters in this thread has been SPECIFICALLY aimed at getting people to not read my report at www.andrewwilsonnews.com Are you a man who gives in so easily to the mind closing words of others?

What do you risk by giving a disposable email address to enable communication to take place?

[JR]

And what do you risk by removing that requirement?

I make up my own mind in regards to such decisions. What I did not post is that it is mostly your behavior that has brought me to my conclusions.

[GQBlues]

Lets make it clear. You need e-mail adresses of potential bride seekers for some reason. The reason is not your decision to selflessley give out knowledge, as for that you would not need the data of other people. This means there can be just one single reason, and that is you wish to gather internet adresses of bride seekers active on these forums, in order to gain profit from them, most probably by using them as referrals for an internet marketing system.

I think it's runs deeper than that, in the long term anyway...at least this is what my instincts tell me.

So here's my first speculation from my monthly dozen speculation ration draw...

Not too sure how many virtual signature is necessary to gather enough initiative for a congressional lobby to either stun/impede the wheels of IMBRA in it's present mode. But I will share the feeling this have largely to do with the recent HRB experience. To what extent, who knows...

I never thought I would live the day to see Andrewfi undergo such a turnabout to favor the US bride seekers and be so concerned of the emptying rusty dirty barrels. Dunno, I kind'a like the Andrewfi of old much, much better. A lot more entertaining and a tad less transparent.

[Jumper]

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Sorry Andrewfi, perhaps i'm easily amused, but after all your posts over the years,,and their tone regarding MOB and the men ,AND the women, who might pursue it....

you becoming involved isn't entirely a shock ,but it is pretty amusing.


I wish you well in your venture..


If it is ultimately tied into HRB it will be even more amusing for me..
oh Lord..!!
 

but like you i'll with hold *why* that might be,  until later..

[andrewfi]

GQ There is no turnabout. Maybe some folks need to do some reading or remembering.
However, your suggestion leads to the conclusion that you have not read that which you now criticise me about. It'd be hard to justify your words if you had read the report.

[Ade]

I refer you to my post above: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12882.msg254028#msg254028

And? There is nothing there that makes your behaviour or anything you've said any less bizarre.

If you truly wanted this report to get as wide a distribution as you claim you would allow free and unfettered access by any means. However, you are trying to control who has access so you can, for some reason, keep tabs on who has the report. A bizarre and mainly futile attempt if you ask me - my guess is that anyone reading here can get access to it just by asking one of us (that probably used a disposable email) for a copy. Shout and scream "copyright" as much as you like, it'll do you no good and enforcing such is going to be nigh on impossible I'm afraid.

[Jumper]

And? There is nothing there that makes your behaviour or anything you've said any less bizarre.

If you truly wanted this report to get as wide a distribution as you claim you would allow free and unfettered access by any means. However, you are trying to control who has access so you can, for some reason, keep tabs on who has the report. A bizarre and mainly futile attempt if you ask me - my guess is that anyone reading here can get access to it just by asking one of us (that probably used a disposable email) for a copy. Shout and scream "copyright" as much as you like, it'll do you no good and enforcing such is going to be nigh on impossible I'm afraid.

SJ, ahh now.. give Andrew some credit, he is a clever chap for  a Brit.  

For every time The Russian bride business is dead,or lin kto his andrew's news site
( i just helped a bit more))
 is mentioned or linked, anywhere..It runs it up the search engine's  lists ,
ultimately increasing distribution.(and email addresses)

 I can't think of a better place for doing so than RWD, which is already quite high in that regard
(search words russian woman or russian bride) on search engines,
as Andrewfi knows well,  i'm quite sure.


:::::::::::::::Sarcasm alert:::::::::::::::::::;;;

andrewfi-
 helpful 'net markerting tip #3 ,
 add a video.it increases significantly your reports existence and placing  in various search engines.
any vid, even if it is you just introducing the report and a foundation of your background and why you'd be credible in compiling it.

 
 
oh wait! That's done..
 

so  i'll do my bit..

Read -
 The russian bride business is dead !!

at www.andrewwilsonnews.com


send Dan my $1 Andrew..
it's his tab we are spending here afterall..

[GQBlues]

GQ There is no turnabout. Maybe some folks need to do some reading or remembering.
However, your suggestion leads to the conclusion that you have not read that which you now criticise me about. It'd be hard to justify your words if you had read the report.

Just a hunch, 'Drew...I never had the cause to own an axe and a grinder with you. I will admit I haven't read the report and likely never will. It seem rather irrelevant to any of my needs nor does it picque my curiosity. I wish you well on this endeavor, wherever that may lead you...

As an aside: I, for one, find all these alarming 'change is coming' in the MOB rather comical. Like men are so threathened the FSU rules of dating will soon be in the same level as those they were rejected from in the west...LOL.

[Vaughn]

Shadow, please remove the link to my copyright work, you are a moderator on this forum and thus responsible for what appears. By posting this document as a moderator you have taken yourself outside of the safe harbor protections that the webmaster might otherwise have relied upon.

As a moderator (when time allows) in the Married Section, I would like Dan (or anyone here having applicable
information) to address just how I assumed a higher degree of responsibilty for my posted content - versus
the normal regular member without moderation duties - specifically as Andrew has stated above.