"The Russian Bride Business Is Dead" ? Really?

[I/O]

The real money in the marriage business isn't in the marriages, it's in the fantasy.

And........there is even more money to be made out of getting people unmarried.

[Daveman]

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While I have absolutely NOTHING to defend my position on this next point (aside from common sense) - I *do* believe there is an instinctive resistance on the part of AW when they learn that AM prefer to find a partner in a foreign country. I doubt this can ever be measured or even defined with great certainty - but there is the fact of natural human reaction when feeling rejected (for any reason), as well as the influences of millennia of years of conditioning that encourages reasonably close geographical mating.

All these things, and more, are a part of the motivations behind IMBRA (IMO) - and to be effective with opposition of IMBRA, it will be necessary to deal with the objections - both of real issues, as well as those that are more difficult to get to come to the surface.

- Dan

I certainly agree with that on the level of individual women, however, we are such an insignificant number (men seeking foreign partners) in the grand scheme of things, as well as universally branded as losers, scum, dead horse porkers, whatever, that it hardly seems likely that any real political cohesion would manifest through pervasive or collective womanly jealousy,though intruth I have no clue and could easily be missing it (I even admit that yesterday, I did mistake a hole in the ground for.. never mind). 

[Bruno]

And I actually do think there are a higher percentage of beautiful girls, for my tastes, in Russia than in the US, but it's not that much of a difference.

Well, i think that there is pretty women everywhere... the only difference is maybe in the "package"... EU/US women, once in the adult life, choose more "business" style clothes... FSU women, specially after work, take time for put sexy clothes and some make-up...

Anyway, taste is in the eyes of the beholder... i have friends who like large women, i have other friend who like women who look like men ( no breast )...

What happened between 1995 (or thereabouts) and 2000 that led to a 300% increase (approximately)?

I was in the business... seriously, mainly the move from MOB paper catalogue to MOB website...

The real money in the marriage business isn't in the marriages, it's in the fantasy.

Of course, it is the dating process who make the money... marriage simply mean the loss of one customer and the loss of a cute lady who attract a lot of customer...

And........there is even more money to be made out of getting people unmarried.

Not true for everybody... in my case, dating process have cost a lot... marriage periode have cost a lot... divorce have cost 50 euro all included !!!

[Turboguy]

My divorce was not cheap but I did spend more money on my quest for the future Mrs Turbo than for my divorce.  Of course a very small part of that expense went to any agencys.  Most of my expense was airfare, lodging and meals.  The only expensive part that went to agencies were the 4 tours I did which might have totaled $ 15,000.  Otherwise, $ 750.00 with Elenas, $ 100.00 with Global Ladies, and $ 100.00 with AFA and back in the catalog days probably $ 1000.00 with each of Club Prima and Latin-Euro. 

I had heard from a reliable source that EC in their hayday was a 20 million dollar business.  I would guess that AFA and Aweb are currently larger than that. 

[andrewfi]

Hi, apologies, I forgot to post earlier but a couple of days ago I made available the second part of the 'Death of a Russian Bride'. I have entitled this document 'Life After Death' and concentrated upon how the business might adapt and survive.

Thanks for all the posts here and elsewhere, they were very helpful in finalising the document.

If you want to subscribe to the series then please go to http://andrewwilsonnews.com and subscribe, you will be able to download both documents and get early notification of any updates and developments. There will be no spam sent from this list and your emails remain private. This is just to enable communication.

If you want to read the document online then there is no need to subscribe, just go here: http://andrewwilsonnews.com/read-life-after-death

I hope that the second part is interesting and that it provokes some discussion because the shape that the industry takes will affect how clients are able to do what they want to do. Right now you have a chance to influence outcomes by speaking with a united voice.

Thanks for your input thus far!

[Faux Pas]

 

[JR]

Clicking around last night I found out why the MOB won't die soon: it's adapting....www.bikinibrides.com or something or other. A Russian MOB biz that understands where it's bread and butter comes from They specialize in only bikini photos))))

[tim 360]

Hi, apologies, I forgot to post earlier but a couple of days ago I made available the second part of the 'Death of a Russian Bride'. I have entitled ...
If you want to read the document online then there is no need to subscribe, just go here: .....
I hope that the second part is interesting...
Thanks for your input thus far!

Ggggeeezzzz.  Is this SPAM or what? 

[chivo]

Again, just want to thank you guys for your continuous support

[Vinnvinny]

Clicking around last night I found out why the MOB won't die soon: it's adapting....www.bikinibrides.com or something or other. A Russian MOB biz that understands where it's bread and butter comes from They specialize in only bikini photos))))

You need to get up to speed JR as www.bikinibrides.com is now considered so last year and just a little prudish.

This is where it's now at: http://www.nakedrussianbrides.net/ 

[JR]

Hahahahaaa Vin!!!!!

I must have been living in a cave! Egypt pulls the plug on the internet and now this))))) I'm sure this site is 100% on the up and up....or at least it might get you up

[Rubicon]

if you do not think that Anastasia date is making tons of money just check out their new sites for Latin America and Asia.  very slick websites.

[andrewfi]

I was not far wrong though was I.

[tfcrew]

I was not far wrong though was I.

That link...
http://andrewwilsonnews.com
Doesn't work for me.
Maybe it needs fixing.

[BillyB]

Not working for me either. Might want to cut and paste what you want to say here Andrew.

[andrewfi]

Sorry guys the site has not been in use for the longest time but as you asked about it I have quickly popped it back up again. Look in the categories 'Death of a Russian Bride' and 'Life After Death'. www.andrewwilsonnews.com

[BillyB]

One thing that surprised me is in your "Life After Death part 3" you said "there are more men looking for a wife from Russia and Ukraine than ever before."


About 5+ years ago I learned that for the first time in America, there are more single women than in marriage. My conclusion was that the American man was less interested in proposing marriage and prefer to live with the ladies with less commitment.  Your statement hints that a few Western men have an increased interest in getting married yet search overseas to achieve their goal.


Did you talk to marriage agencies to conclude their customer base is increasing even with all the barriers and hurdles they have to jump over to stay in business?

[tfcrew]

[ from the article ] ..."there are more men looking for a wife from Russia and Ukraine than ever before."

This may or may not be true.

Based on viewing the visajourney forum over the years, it would seem that international relationships continue along about the same rate.
The membership there has clipped upwards to 125K.

Little attention is placed at VJ on how a Nebraska farmer met a Filipina nursing student but on how they processed their meeting and marriage.

Actually I think too much personal info is posted sometimes.

Hard to say how much of a 'business' internet dating still is, but genuine effort usually clears the middle man as soon as possible.

I'm wondering if this suckquester crap that the admin has been pulling lately might affect the fiance visa process.   
Maybe that is food for another thread.

Cheers


 
 

[andrewfi]

Billy the reason for the apparent change you note is, in large part, due to people settling down later. The marriage rate in the US has, I am sure you will find, not changed much over decades.

I also know that demand for MOB sites from men has never been higher, the big issue is lack of supply of women hence the structural changes in the kinds of scams that blokes face, but that is to reheat old dishes, stuff well covered in my work and discussed at length a log time ago.
The changes in the types of agencies was also covered and predicted accurately - I doubt that any of the large aggregators are experienceing a downturn in the number of subscribers or revenue and in the meant time we have a raft of new ways for men (in particular) to pay for contacting foreign women and in the manner I suggested it would.

[Raging Dragon]

Anyone wondering why men aren't marrying in the West just need to read some of Dalrock.


http://dalrock.wordpress.com/

I apologize, I know he's addressed this subject directly, but can't find the exact articles. Perusing his blog will give mulitple insights into the state of marriage in America today. He does blog from a Christian perspective, but a realistic one based on statistics from the US bureaus.

[Voyager36]

I was not far wrong though was I.

Didn't you predict that the R. Bride business would be dead within a year?
Seems like pretty much the same at Elena's, Anastasia etc etc.