Marriage Annulment?

[golden25]

Hello Everyone, My Name is Gary, 41 years old - from Iowa, I am writing to try to find out if its possible to have a marriage of 1 1/2 years annuled? I assume maybe someone here using RWD may know.

 Here's a little background about Me and my soon to be exwife Elena. Elena 42 years old and her daughter Sasha 14 arrived here in march 4 of 2004 we were married on march 20 of 2004, everything was fine at first however as time went on i could see somethings were not good, i simply at the time chalked them up to the culture change for Elena and Sasha, after one year more things were not good and i still chalked them up to the culture change, I did what i could to make this marriage work, I Loved Elena, and i guess a part of me who thinks of Elena for what she led me to beleive she was still does love her, and i guess that why this hurts so badly.

 In July of 2005 Elena Got a Job at in Sioux Falls , S.D. [ 1 hour drive ] as a sales person in the Mall, several weeks after working there Elena asked me about the possibilty of her getting an apartment in sioux falls so she could stay there the on the days she had to work, This upset me because she made no attempt to get a job locally she wanted only to work in the mall in sioux falls, and when she asked me about getting this apartment it spelled the beginning of the end for me, i simply told her that there would not be enough money to pay our house payment and pay for an apartment besides, i told her it would then be less expensive for us then if you did not work all. the matter was dropped for the time being, a couple of weeks later she asked me when i was going to give her the credit card with a $10,000.00 limit that i had promised her sometime before during our correspondence via e-mail. I told her - Elena i never promised you a credit card with a $10,000.00 limit. She demanded that i did, she explained to me that she saved the letter in which i wrote this, and i said ok lets see then. she quickly dropped the subject because she could see i was not going along with it. everthing was quite edgy between us for sometime and on the evening of sept 14 2005 she came to me again and asked me one more time for the apartment in sioux falls, and i told her fine if you want an apartment in sioux falls get one but you will need to pay for it yourself, and then i asked her i suppose now you are going to ask me again for the $10,000.00 credit card again, Elena jumped up from the sofa started screaming at me in russian and then jumped on me and grabbed me by the neck and started choking me, after about 5 seconds she let go of me. i could only think to call 911, i grabbed my cell phone ran outside got in the car locked the doors and then called 911. Soon Elena and sasha ran from the house down the driveway.  Elena was yelling in her meek timid voice NEIGHBORS HELP ME. The police soon arrived and i explained the situation. the officers while they were talking to me got a call from the dispatch on their radio of a woman and child at the local gas station who called 911 that said she was assulted by her husband. The police explained to me after sometime that my wife had bruises and scratches on her neck, i was arrested and went to jail for the evening. I am out now on bond and i have not seen Elena or Sasha since. I assumed they went to stay with Elena's cousin Aleksandra who lives in Des moines with her husband, She also is from Russia.

 I was so confused, i understood elena was not always happy here, i offered several times to pay for her and sasha to go back to Yaroslavl, but i could see she would not for her daughers sake. For 2 months i was in a confused state not understanding what happened and why, why would she try to choke me? she is rather small her ability to choke me was very little, not to mention if i had fought back she would stand no chance against me, nothing made any sence until one day i came home from work and there was a message on my answering machine from Elena's cousin Aleksandra. I called her back, and yes Elena and Sasha were staying there, however Aleks had just kicked Elena and Sasha out of the house, Elena was making sexual advances to Aleks husband, she was tired of it and told them they would have to leave or she would call the police. I asked Aleks, what story did Elena tell you about what happened on sept 14 th. Aleks told me that first elena told her the same story as she had told the police, but Aleks said that after elena was there for 2 weeks and she felt comfortable elena told her the truth about how she tried to choke me to provoke me to assult her, and how Sasha put the brusies and scratches in Elena's neck. I did not know at the time that the womans act included batter immigrant wemon, and that this would allow them to get a greencard without having to stay with their husband. anyway Alek's will help me in the DV case, I hope i will win the DV case, i certainly think i should win with Alek's help, any advice anyone can give me about DV cases would be helpful.

 Elena and Sasha left that evening while i was in jail, they took with them almost everything they had. Elena did however leave her diary in the desk draw, she missed cleaning out 1 draw before they left. i have since had this diary translated, [ it was hand written in russian text] I was shocked when i read it, but i understood better why this all happended. You see Elena used me to get a greencard, she explains in her diary how her plan was to come to america, to use any man she can to get here, get her greencard and then leave him and hopefully get a large divorce settlement. her main goal was to get a modeling career started for her daughter. she also talks about how she will use witch craft and black magic to acheive her goal, she explains in her diary she will cause physical pain or mortal death to anyone who stands in the way of achiving her goal. i myself do not beleive in this so she can cast all the spells against me that she wants i don't care. Alek's explained to me that she hated me and she hated the small town and area of country we were in. Aleks told me that elena call my house a shack, and the city of Hull, a sh-t hole, and the people a bunch of religious freaks, and elena referred to my children as retarded pigs. Elena obviously could not stand living with me anymore and choose the route of a battered woman to get her greencard.

SO THIS LEADS ME TO MY QUESTION, WITH THIS EVIDENCE IS IT POSSIBLE TO HAVE THIS MARRIAGE ANNULED?

Any advise anyone can give will certainly be welcome


thanks Gary - golden@rconnect.com

 

[jb]

Gary,

I'm sorry to hear of your plight, you need to have a chat with Maxx.

I'm guessing you need the advice of a good divorce lawyer, not a clergyman about an annullment.  Normally an annullment is given after a marriage was proven 10 times over to be entered into with false pretenses, sleeping with this woman for over a year would probably nix that idea.  Go for the quick divorce.

[BC]

Maxx retired.

Maybe we can dig up a few links to his old threads around here.

Golden,

First, you may want to edit your post and delete any personal information.  You don't want this stuff hanging around for anyone to google your troubles.

Second, you need legal help.. professional stuff that is not available here.  I'm sure your story could help others down the line but right now you'd best think about yourself first.

[Bruno]

Contact [user=124]Maxx[/user] , the specialist of so situation...

Take a look at the "GCG" topic :

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/forum11/845.html

or at the "Adultery & Divorce - Do Russian Women ever get deported?" topic

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/forum11/886.html

[Maxx]

I'm not retired. Just not posting at RWG and lesser here. I'm busy with my business and getting some "good for me" other interests. But I will alway try and help a guy in this sort of trouble.

BTW there is a guy in the Advanced Section at RWG who is in a bad way with his cheating wife. She's waiting for her K-3 visa in Russia. I can't log in over there. I sent a e-mail to Adminstration but got nothing back so I can't PM with my contact info. If anyone can cut and paste this and send him a PM I sure would apprecate this. Just hook him up with me over here.  

In regards to this.

I have heard similar stories such as this from many men. What is unique the evidence of the diary. Very sloppy of her leaving that behind. I would advise shopping for attorneys that is seeing a number of them to get their opinion in regard to the annullment possibility with a Greencard fraud bases. There is legal presedent for this already. As example in New York State

 
The marriage may be annulled where the consent was obtained by fraud, provided the fraud was such that it would have deceived an ordinarily prudent person and was material to obtaining the other party's consent. The fraud must be such as to go to the essence of the marriage contract. Only the injured spouse can obtain the annulment on lack of consent.

 

This was sent to me when I was going this same thing.

Maxx,
I'm sorry to be an armchair lawyer on this annulment matter but I am not convinced you can't do it. Living together, in and of itself doesn't disqualify you from eligibility for an annulment. Rules may vary between the states but many of the same basic principles apply. Okay, maybe you cannot obtain an annulment on the basis of her concealment of prior marriage because you lived together after that fact was disclosed. But your strongest case is due to the fraud concerning her motives for the marriage. There are cases on the books where marriage to obtain a green card has been considered fraud sufficient to warrant annulment,
I pulled one Nevada case up....(Nevada only requires two weeks residency by the way).

One person married another solely to obtain a green card, or citizenship; Eg: In Poupart v. District Court of 7th Judicial District, et al, 34 Nev. 336, 123 P. 769 (1912), fraud by a party to the marriage was held grounds for an annulment;

As far as living together after THIS fraud was discovered, you could argue that you realized her fraud when she moved out. Again living together can only disqualify an annulment case if it occurs after the fraud becomes known to the defrauded party...

Discuss the annulment with your attorney again in the context of green card fraud, not the prior marriage issue. You might also contact a divorce lawyer in Nevada. The benefits of annulment for you vs. divorce could be enormous in both the short and long run. Now is time to sort this matter out...once divorce is ruled upon it could be too late..

Ronnie

Here is letter I got from a Russian woman named Elena who is very sympathetic to men in these types of situations. She and I have worked together.  BTW there are GREAT Russian woman even one's named Elena. My ex I call Elvira but her real name is really Elena (About every other women in Russia is named this).

 

Hi Maxx!

It's Elena. How are you? Probably, busy furnishing your new home?

The reason I am contacting you is because I wanted to share something with you that i thought you would like .

A client of mine, who just won a decision about an annulment of his marriage from his R wife after she tried to divorce him under the same domestic abuse claims scenario is being contacted by another attorney who is interested in putting together a group of victims to crack down on a ring of Russians working in Phoenix area to help RWs with the false domestic abuse claims.

Here is the letter my client received:

"..

I just got off the phone with divorce atty. Christi McM and somehow the discussion turned to annulment and she told me that she just represented a man in an annulment case who had a Russian bride. Without going into detail, the facts were almost the same as yours. She stated that there are two individuals named Olga and Art who are operating a fraud ring here in Phoenix to do this stuff.

She said that there is an attorney here in Phoenix who is putting together a group of victims (like yourself) to pursue these individuals. The attorney is Chris H (602-xxx-xxxx). I recommend that either you or Hope call him.

Let me know how this turns out.

Rob XXXXX"

Also, I.C.E. was interested in my client's ex-wife's contacts in the USA and hopefully it is a good sign.

I am most anxious to see what this Chris H. is having in mind (and I hope my client does contact him!), and I am considering contacting this Chris H myself to offer him any help I can possibly provide.

Do not you think that it is promising? At least SOMETHING is happening!!!

I am thinking, that there may be some other attorneys around the country putting together their local "groups" of victims that I do not know about. I was thinking that the idea of a web site (just like the one you proposed the other day) could potentially be very useful in a sense that groups of victim's advocates could find each other, communicate with each other and hopefully achieve greater results together.

Oh my God, may be there IS some light at the end of the tunnel?!?! 


Best regards,
Elena Garrett

 

BTW golden25, my ex-wife was in all into that witchcraft stuff too. Frankly believing that stuff and putting one's mind into that way of thinking makes one crazy in my opinion. Your "wife" maybe nuts but nuts can be quite dangerous so keep your distance from her no matter what she says or does. Do not even call her.  

I would recommend seeing the attorneys right away. Don't latch on the first one (very very typical) you see! Do some shopping and get several (5-7) opinions. Then make your decision. Divorce attorneys' consultation visits are free BTW.

You got a GREAT case for your DV defence and for your evidence for getting an anullment. With this diary evidence you have and the testimony of the RW about what your "wife" told her she may find herself on the hotseat with the INS.

You will do OK. Cheer up!

Maxx 

   

[Journeyman]

Maxx,

I hold you in the highest esteem for being willing to provide this kind of invaluable help to strangers in need.  Just had to say it.

Journeyman

[Shadow]

Maxx, I have posted your reply on RWG. I hope the guy will sort it out, as he is now getting a bull load of excuses from his wife and doubting about what to do.

[golden25]

JB  THANKS FOR THE ADVISE,  I passed 4 lawyers until i found the guy i got now,  he's been a laywer for 21 years, and has does both divorce and imigration issues.  he also feels we have no chance of and annulment, thats why i asked on RWD if anyone knows its possible or has been done.  Yes i understand that sleeping with her for a year would cause an annulment to be impossible, its just from my prespective i was not really sleeping with her as a normal man and wife would, I was more like i was her MAN WHORE when it can to sex, and i was expected to preform and do tricks only to please her sexual needs and fantacy's.

[golden25]

thanks Maxx, i will inform my lawyer that there is legal presedence for an annulment.  You wrote, your wife was also into black magic,  was she also a fan of FUNG SHWAY?  Elena wanted me to practice this fung shway with her,  i told her i would as long as she would come to church with me, but its probably a good thing she never went to church with me, God probably would have struck her with Lightning as she walked into the church door!!!;)

[golden25]

Hello Shadow,  from the dutch capital in northwest iowa u.s.a, where we still grow thousands of tulips  and make wooden shoes,  seriouly i am not kidding.  i feel i should try to say something to you in dutch but i never learned any from my parents except my father, he always called me a [KLOOT SOCK or CLOTE SOOK?] I am not sure what it meant but i assume it was not good, and my grandfather always Prayed in dutch when i was little,  it scared the hell out me, i thought end of the world was coming.

   Anyway you wrote in your reply that  i would be getting a BULL LOAD OF EXCUSES FROM MY WIFE.  the state of Iowa issues no contact orders for both parties in a DV case,  she is not allowed to contact me nor am i allowed to contact her which is perefctly fine with me. you see some time ago in iowa in a DV case a man was let go by the police and he went back home and shot his wife, its the prime example of the joke the comedian Larry the cable guy said, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, MEN WHO COME HOME EARLY KILL PEOPLE.  also while i was in jail the police came into my house searched for guns and took my shot gun and it is now being held by the sioux county sheriffs office. 

[Elen]

You know what boys? :?
Whatever love stories you tell here - good or bad ones - they are just hard to belive in :?

[Maxx]

Hello Gary

My ex was quite a kook. In Russia (I married in Russia) I seen one of her books. It had some of the most strange illustrations in it I have ever seen. Things like a goat with wings on it's head and a scorpians tail, some old ancient Babylonian artwork, pentgrams, upside down crosses and so on. It was all in Russian. Maybe it was some sort of spell book?

When she got here she turned our walk in closet into some sort of meditation room she called her church. I was not allowed to put any of my things in there. I suspect to her my things like my shoes had bad energy and would disrupt her force field when she astro projected herself into the fifth dimension.   

 Her real friends were women with drinking problems and with illegitamate children. She didn't trust religious people but used them to a means to an end. She used born again Baptists to aid her in her efforts to establish a new life. Also she got the aid of strict Russian Orthodox members as well. She was not religious or more accurately not Christian from what I could tell. But to her she was even with all the witchcraft and hocus pocus. Allot of Russians mix all this stuff together without a second thought.

Thanks Journeyman and Shadow. I hope the guy at RWG is getting good advice from the members there. There is new moderator there that states "There is no such thing as GCGs. Just guys who are not fit to be with dogs" (It's in their new "Best of" section when you open their site) so I worry a little on the advice (abuse?) he might be getting.

Maxx 

 

[golden25]

Like the old saying, IF I AM LIEING I AM DIEING,

   Elen i wish none of what i am writing was true, Beleive me when i tell you i wish i was writing how wonder my life is with my wonderful russian wife. and beleive me i know Elena is not typical of most russian ladies, there lives a group of about 2000 russian / ukrainian people about 50 miles from me and seems to me they all have their head screwed on striaght.  although it seems there is a wedge between the ones that are russian and the ones that are ukrainian,  why?

[Elen]

doubl

[Elen]

Well I changed my mind I belive in your story as I always thought both sides in that "business" of dating through internet were far from "nornmal" So your story is rather typical

[Maxx]

Do you know how to tell if it's a true story?  True stories usually have a strange factor to them. The truth is stranger than fiction in these situations.

Also there allot repeated details. Such as the upset Russian woman friend because the homeless RW she took in made a move on her AM husband. This is the second time I heard this in the last month.

Another thing is outragous demands by the wife at the same time the wife is limiting contact (living, sleeping or sexual) with her husband. In other words "I want my own separate apartment (or bedroom) and I need a $10,000 credit card." I had something similar happen to me.

The guys are quite stunned by it all. Usually they make some bad decisions such as "feeding the beast"($$$) by trying and paper over the problem. Sticking their head in the sand. Letting their 'caught red handed' wife talk them out of taking appropiate action. It must be part of male psychology to not move decisively in these matters.

Maxx

[Shadow]

[user=769]golden25[/user] wrote:

Hello Shadow,  from the dutch capital in northwest iowa u.s.a, where we still grow thousands of tulips  and make wooden shoes,  seriouly i am not kidding.  i feel i should try to say something to you in dutch but i never learned any from my parents except my father, he always called me a [KLOOT SOCK or CLOTE SOOK?] I am not sure what it meant but i assume it was not good, and my grandfather always Prayed in dutch when i was little,  it scared the hell out me, i thought end of the world was coming.

   Anyway you wrote in your reply that  i would be getting a BULL LOAD OF EXCUSES FROM MY WIFE.  the state of Iowa issues no contact orders for both parties in a DV case,  she is not allowed to contact me nor am i allowed to contact her which is perefctly fine with me. you see some time ago in iowa in a DV case a man was let go by the police and he went back home and shot his wife, its the prime example of the joke the comedian Larry the cable guy said, GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, MEN WHO COME HOME EARLY KILL PEOPLE.  also while i was in jail the police came into my house searched for guns and took my shot gun and it is now being held by the sioux county sheriffs office. 

Hi Golden and I am sorry about your situation.

I guess your father called you a KLOOTZAK (Clote sack) which is not a very nice word. Literally it refers to the part holding your cojones.

Sorry to cause some misunderstanding, in my post to Maxx I referred to the guy on RWG. He was married in Russia and found his wife to be cheating and writing to others. Now he wants divorce but the wife is pleading the neighbours and her best friend used her pics.

With your story being in good hands here I have little to add, except that Maxx is the nr 1 guy to assist you here.

[golden25]

Hello Maxx. interesting facts about your wife, I agree totally with what you said about religion its scary,  elena set her little chapel / meditation room up in her daughters bed room.  i certainly learned very quickly not to interupt the ceremony, what i found scary about their religion was all the writing they did on the windows of the house with lipstick, it of course was in russian so i couldn't read it,  Elena told me it was to keep evil spirits out, i think it had to do with fung sway and inviting more money into your life. If anyone can share with me what this writing on the windows of the house with lip stick is I would like to hear it.

  Elena  if she did cook mainly made soups, mainly borsh, and if i accidentally said to her Good soup, she would be upset,  she claimed her borsh was so good it could not be called soup, i never seen a cook book of any kind and she bought allot of stuff from the russian supermarket in sioux falls s.d. called Troyka and a local supermarket  to the tune of $130.00 bucks a week for 3 people. I am sure not all the $130.00 per week i gave her for food went  for food, i am sure some of it is now being used to rent an apartment where ever she is.

   I  also had to be careful where i left my shoes,  heaven forbid they would touch the bed,  also it was bad to expose money to the bathroom as it would not invite more money into our lives.  Elena worked both for a russian marrige agency and then later as a saleperson in the mall but made it very obvious she did not want to work, You see her way of thinks is this,  It was hard to go out and make money and work for it like normall people do,  you wish, dream, scam, sue for any little thing you can and do fungsway so somehow more money comes into your life with out having to do anything for it,  She was crazy for buying Iowa Lotery tickets, like thats anway to make money. Me giving her a lottery ticket meant more to her than if i gave her hallmark card.

Golden25

[Elen]

in such stories it always would not be bad to hear another side as well to make any conclusions
Till then it's possible only to wonder where those males and women looked at before

[Maxx]

in such stories it always would not be bad to hear another side as well to make any conclusions
Till then it's possible only to wonder where those males and women looked at before

"There's always the other side of the story."

I hear others utter this line as if it's profound wisdom first thought of. As B/B said on the other board "Yes there are two sides to every story and sometimes one is right and the other wrong".

I have seen situations where the husband is obvously lacking something or is neglectful or abusive to one degree or another. The Russian wife responds by staying within the truth of the situation. She does not resort to false allegations or exaggerations to gain sympathy and support from friends and social workers. I have seen the opposite as well. It really depends upon their character on what road they will take.

I remember jb telling me story about RW who came to America and found her husband-to-be living in near poverty. She put her "shoulder to the the grindstone" and helped elevate their life materially. Now together they have a upper Middle class life because of her work and her encouragement to her husband to better his employment situation. This takes allot character on the wife's part as well as the husband willingness to get a move on. He was wrong IMO  in the beginning but his wife gave their marriage a chance. That is the difference between a GCG (Green Card Girl) and a good Russian woman. A GCG does not give the marriage a chance. She rather is glad to discover the lever (justification) to use to end the marriage and move on to what she really wants a new life.

Maxx

 

 

[Wayne]

Golden 25

You could have your attorney file a complaint with Homeland Security along with a copy of the diary and translation.  This looks like a case of visa fraud and you are a victim.  Perhaps you have a witness in your wife's ex-friend.  Your attorney could take her deposition.

Another suggestion:  take a copy of the diary and translation to a Psychiatrist who is very qualified and have them read it.  Perhaps you can line up an expert witness for your divorce/annulment case?

Have you changed the locks to your house?  Canceled credit cards and bank accounts?  Protected your valuables?

What I have found from going through an extremely terrible divorce to an AW is that you should hire the best qualified attorney you can find--regardless of the cost!  It saves money in the long run.

I do not know about the divorce laws in Iowa, but it might be an advantage to be the person filing for the divorce, instead of the defendant.

 

 

[golden25]

Hello Wayne and thanks allot for the advise,  yes my Lawyer plans to take a deposition from her ex friend who is actually her cousin.  i have spoke to her cousin for probably 10 hours now she seems willing to help me.  she understands what a looser Elena is after having them live with her for 2 months.

[Borras]

I know this thread is really old, but in regards to an annulment, if you are a married practicing Catholic you can *possibly* get an annulment.  You will need to speak with the church. 

I really don't know why your attorney said you cannot get an annulment since an annulment has nothing to do with law... well, it does with Church law but not governmental law. 

If you were not married in a Catholic church then you'll have to speak with the clergy at your church for more detailed help.  I don't know how annulments are handled for non-Catholics.

Divorce is something that the government recognizes.  The church doesn't know/care about a divorce.  Once you are married you are married for LIFE unless you are granted an annulment.. hence the need to get an annulment before you marry again in a Catholic church.


Basically a marriage (in Catholic terms) is a sacrament between two people, a woman and a man.  If the marriage was fraudulent in the eyes of the church that means you can get an annulment.  In this case your marriage was fraudulent in that she did not marry you for love but for ulterior motives.

The duration of the marriage is not relevant.  You can be married for 17 years and have 3 kids together but if she married you only to move to the US that is still not considered a marriage of love. 

You REALLY need to speak with your church since an annulment is a religious process and not a governmental process.  The state of California CANNOT grant an annulment that the church recognises.  The country of the USA cannot grant an annulment that the church recognises.  Only the church can grant an annulment.

Basically they'll explain the process and the first step is reconciliation. 

If that doesn't work then you need to get a divorce and then proceed with the annulment.  The church probably WILL speak with you spouse but they only speak to them for facts.  They really do NOT care if you spouse wants or does not want an annulment.  It takes a while, perhaps 6 months to 18 months for the annulment to go through.  It is customary to give a donation to the church for an annulment since it is apparently very time consuming for the church. They need a slew of documentation, interviews, etc. It's not a requirement but it is recommended.

Once an annulment is granted it is granted to both people, you and her.  Obviously if the church decides that the marriage "did not happen" it didn't happen for you and it didn't happen for her, hence both of you are allowed to get married again in a Catholic church.

Sorry for the long post and hope this helps other people in the future.
Oystar
ps.. don't ask about the nick-name, hard to explain 

[SANDRO43]

I do not know know if this can be of some help, since my experience is incomplete and dating from 35 years ago, but I do not think that things have changed much in this area (the Catholic church tends to be rather conservative ).

I had recently separated from my wife, and Italian law then required that at least 5 years pass before a first divorce hearing could be held (I think it's down to 2 or 3 years now). 

I was discussing my situation with the mother of a wealthy friend, who had had three marriages annulled by the Church, and she suggested my visiting the office of my Bishopric dealing with marriage annulments. I did so and was met by a courteous priest who showed me a booklet listing the 40-some reasons that could constitute grounds for the proceedings (I remember things like marrying with the intention of NOT producing children, not raising them in the Catholic faith, etc.). What put me off was the fact that he told me it was a moderately long, 3-stage process : 

1st  :  at my local Bishopric
2nd : at a Bishopric in another town
3rd  : at the Sacra Rota in Rome 

The 3rd stage being reached only if the previous 2 were successful, and all this requiring the assistance of lawyers specialised and accredited in this peculiar form of proceedings. To have civil consequences, it also requires a specific agreement/treaty between a government and the Vatican.

So I waited my statutory 5 years and got myself a civil divorce .

[Manny]

a couple of weeks later she asked me when i was going to give her the credit card with a $10,000.00 limit that i had promised her sometime before during our correspondence via e-mail. I told her - Elena i never promised you a credit card with a $10,000.00 limit. She demanded that i did, she explained to me that she saved the letter in which i wrote this,

A definate contradiction.

Is Gary still here? It would be nice to know how this turned out!

A note to the cheerleaders - This lady is a good definition of the "dirty barrel"