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[Steamer]

OK.
10 year age difference. 
Nice woman. 
Has a young son.  Struggling as a single mom here, as many women do, I imagine.
Met again, had dinner, long conversation last night. 
I asked about the father.  Sure, perhaps too soon, but why find out later that it is going to be a nightmare if things get serious due to problems from the father's side. 
Turns out he is 10 years younger than she, never worked (i.e. chronic bum), broke up a "while ago" (day, week, month, year, who knows).   

Hmmm.
10 years younger than she, while I am 10 years older, and he's a chronic bum. 
Raise your hand if you see this in any possible way ending well. 
HA!

Xman, if this is girl #2 then the conversation was WAY too intense. You need to lighten up. If you look at every date you have there as a meeting with your potential next wife you're going to make yourself crazy with anxiety. Go on a date. Be the fun guy, don't bring up depressing subjects. Let them get to like you. Let it just be a fun date.

[OlgaH]

... never worked (i.e. chronic bum), broke up a "while ago" (day, week, month, year, who knows).   

the father (who had never been in the daughter's life) suddenly wanted $5000. cash on the table or it was a no go on the signature.

If a child's biological father has never been in the child's life and has never participated in the child's upbringing, he can be deprived of his parental rights through the courts, and his signature will not be needed. 

[GoodOlBoy]

If a child's biological father has never been in the child's life and has never participated in the child's upbringing, he can be deprived of his parental rights through the courts, and his signature will not be needed. 

This is important information to know OlgaH.
It also reinforces what my wife said to me: "Money went to woman's pocket Rick".

GOB

BTW......How long would this process (depriving parental rights) take?

[Gator]

BTW......How long would this process (depriving parental rights) take?

In the one case which my fiancee initiated, it took one year and $500 for an attorney (5 years ago).  The father had disappeared and the government's paper searches for him lasted months before the government gave up (they perhaps would have found him if they looked in a forest about 2 feet deep).  The government's attorney challenged  awarding sole custody to the mother because that decision entitled her to receive a larger government stipend, maybe another $25 per month (wow!).

[BC]

My wife was able to gain sole custody, was a good while back, but reading through the documentation you're probably looking at about 6 months or less if the father cannot be located through official channels.

In the one case which my fiancee initiated, it took one year and $500 for an attorney (5 years ago).  The father had disappeared and the government's paper searches for him lasted months before the government gave up (they perhaps would have found him if they looked in a forest about 2 feet deep).  The government's attorney challenged  awarding sole custody to the mother because that decision entitled her to receive a larger government stipend, maybe another $25 per month (wow!).

I would wonder a bit if the mother had not already started such proceedings.

[LAman]

Sorry X-man to hear your pain....

Just wondering if it fell apart on meeting.......chemistry part?
After reading your posts, wow......you were really 'into the girl', with very high expectations.
You made me think back to my first meeting with FSU girls. Maybe it was fact I had others planned or backups but
I came in with an open mind as to where it was going, if it did.
Hope you can try to enjoy the rest of trip........with me, only one thing can get me over a girl.....another girl!!!

[OlgaH]

GOB

BTW......How long would this process (depriving parental rights) take?

Not long time ago my classmate went through the process depriving her daughter's biological father of his parental rights. As she said it took about 2 months. She paid about 2500 rubles for legal services: consultation and statement of claim. Her daughters father did not pay alimony for 5 years, she had two witnesses (her neighbors) and an official written statement from her daughter's kindergarten that nobody and never saw her daughter's father. There were two hearings, the biological father did not make his first appearance. During the second hearing he of course could prove nothing, and along with deprivation of his parental rights he was ordered to pay all the alimony he did not pay. According to the article 71 of the Family Law of the Russian Federation the deprivation of parenthood doesn't not relieve the parents of the duty to maintain their child, and according to the article 157 (Malicious Evasion of the Payment of Money for the Maintenance of Children or Physically Disabled Parents) of The Criminal Code Of The Russian Federation a criminal proceedings might be institute against a person who evades paying alimony.       

The Family Code of the Russian Federation
Article 69. Deprivation of Parenthood and Article 70. Procedure of Deprivation of Parenthood
http://www.jafbase.fr/docEstEurope/RussianFamilyCode1995.pdf

[XMan]

X-Man, sorry but your messages are still confusing us as to which woman you are talking about.  The first or second.

Sorry, second woman.  Contacted her shortly before going on the pretty much focused WOVO.

[I/O]

Xman: To straighten a point, I'm not (nor was I) advising banging your way forward, merely commenting, I don't object if someone chooses that path.

[XMan]

Xman: To straighten a point, I'm not (nor was I) advising banging your way forward, merely commenting, I don't object if someone chooses that path.

OK, I understand.
Thanks.

Jettisoned Kharkov on Tuesday. 
Pointless to continue. 

Stopped in Chernovtsy to visit friends, all of whom became very ill (high fever, flu-like symptoms) on my 2nd and 3rd day here. 
Too bad. 
Nice "blind date" Friday with some follow up today.  Not sure if anything will come of it.
Heading home in the morning, hopefully will avoid serious illness until at least I return to the USA, but who knows. 
Doubt I could travel if feeling as badly as my friends.
Feeling pretty much like a busted trip all the way around. 
Unfortunate.

[Chicagoguy]

Sorry for your crash and burn. The $$ part would also bother me.
It might help you to understand it better once you are back home for a little while.

[ML]

Let's discuss something that has rarely gotten any discussion here!  

Heartbreak or massive depression (or whatever) following failed WOVO vs failed WMVM.

Certainly the WMVM approach does not guarantee success, regardless of how success is defined.

But I don't think that with the WMVM approach, the man will return home feeling quite as depressed and/or feeling betrayed (or any other such words as you would like to use) as will the man returning from a WOVO wipeout.

True, the WMVM man may not return home engaged or even with focus on a return trip to any one woman; but rarely will the WMVM encounter a situation where ALL of his contacts turned out to be disasters.  So there will be some (or many) memories of very good times, to soothe the soul.

I am a WMVM man and any bad encounters I had, have long faded in my memory and are swamped by the many great memories I have.

It pains me greatly to see the heartbreaking stories often posted here following (or during) a failed WOVO trip.  My heart goes out to these persons.