Operation White Panther

[Patagonie]

So I answered this to lady of Thailand 
"You know I have fortunately real people who care about me, and friends and family who give me 100% empathy. I am very grateful to them." That's a disavowal for a woman I think. 
   
She answered:what happened, are you sick?
   
I came to the conclusion that she got the uneasiness
But she had no idea why I was angry. And yes, additionally I was sick, but that was not the first cause why I was pissed off.   
I came to the conclusion that I have to explain all.
Yep communication is everything between humans.So I dropped few messages this morning. 
I try to get some discipline when delivering messages, the form is important, it should be articulated and it should convey the main points that you have to develop but as shorter as possible, people having limited capabilities to correctly receive a lot of information.Especially when there is the fence of the language (I have to speak in Russian) and emotional tensions exist.

[Patagonie]

Forgot to say that she tried to call yesterday night.
A very short call to say call me back.
Ok maybe she is afraid to wake me up or disturb me.
So I wrote something "ok, call me back, don't be shy".
Nothing. 
I worry of these little games that women are playing like "I have called you", your turn now. While in fact they just play the hard to get version. 
   
I have explained to her that putting me in corner, playing the game "run after me", is maybe working for a while but after few weeks or few months men are getting tired and become disinterested.The same for princesses, people are rapidly bailing out of this people. 
   
An interesting research had been done among children. 
They put one child in the center of the classroom among other peers, on a throne with a crown.
What happens is that children rapidly start to play among them and ignore the king or the princess.
Very quickly the "king" or "princess" leaves the throne and join the other children to play with them.Interesting no? 

[Patagonie]

Having ego could be good to push you to build new skills, leave a unhealthy partner.
But on another hand it brings a lot of problems and cage people in their pride.
   
I have a female friend that is caged in her pride. She is very manipulative and couldn't suffer contradictions and to receive a NO. She is alone for years now. Last boyfriends we know her never stayed more than four weeks.
I have now a crisis with her because I told her to use her car when coming to my parties because she has now aggravated ears disabilities when it comes about loud music. 
As she knows that I am unlikely to suffer from her manipulation she tried to use a go between. But the final result didn't change, I told her clearly that this rule  will henceforth apply to her. Her big ego got bruised.     
 
So let's see if lady of Thailand calls me.
She could find a lot of men to jump in her bed but to find a man to fit her life project, especially with a non Russian, oudachi.

[krimster2]

the "signs about her" were always visible to you
but...
you weren't looking...
cuz you were daydreaming with monsieur Willy
I conclude that a horny man is VERY bad at planning his life becuz of this "focus"

what ya wanna do...is get a "pet cat"
but instead of it being a cat, it's a woman
feed her, pet her....

in Ukraine, right now, EASY for you to acquire felines or femmes
if a 35+ year old Ukrainian woman who looks like Elizabeth Hurley wants to have a "release"
yur only competition is a cheap chinese vibrator, men are all in uniform or in hiding
foreigners are afraid of drones, so they stay home
ZERO COMPETITION

a drone interceptor is just a glider with an engine
can you imagine aerial combat with Iranian drones in the sky above Ukraine

[Patagonie]

Krim 
The wold don't summarize to only two things: 
Sex/stupre and money/transaction.   
     
I have feelings for this woman.   
Somehow, and it has no link with what she is doing (or rather not doing lol) for me,   
 her meeting reconnected me with a more human part of myself.
Even I get pissed off frequently,I feel more empathy for people, try to give to them more time, more attention. 

[2tallbill]

Krim 
The world don't summarize to only two things: 
Sex/stupre and money/transaction.   
     
I have feelings for this woman.   
Somehow, and it has no link with what she is doing (or rather not doing lol) for me,   
 her meeting reconnected me with a more human part of myself.

Pat,
I was unhappily married to an American woman for years. When I filed for divorce, it
was like a medium sized woman was previously standing on my chest but they
suddenly got off. Instantly, I felt better than I had for years.

You are a grown adult with a lot of experience, but you might be too close to this to
see what is happening. In my opinion, you are in an unequal relationship. Where you
care more for her than she does for you. There are millions and millions of women
who will want you more than she does.

In my opinion you should find a better girl, who really likes you a lot. 
You want and deserve a girl who's eyes light up every time she sees you.

Udachi!

Bill

[olgac]

Pat,
In my opinion, you are in an unequal relationship. Where you
care more for her than she does for you. There are millions and millions of women
who will want you more than she does.

yes I 100% agree

[Patagonie]

Olga, Bill you are right about this. 
I am really aware of this, and from the beginning.
   
I was discussing with a couple of friends who were the witnesses from the very beginning of the story because I flied with them in Thailand. 
We had lunch yesterday. 
They told me "you never know, during the vacation in France, she could like you very much and you could dislike her after a few days". 
They are right. It could work both ways.   
One thing is sure I have emotionally took a real step back.     
   
This is why I was explaining to her and here that playing the HTG (hard to get) style too long pulls people away. 
 
What is really strange is how easy and sweet, things are when we met twice, but how everything reverse during our current remote communication.   
   
If this meeting in France happens, will she be able to invest herself emotionally ? And in the future? No one knows.
 

This is now why I am considering dating multiple women at the same period. But to be frank I am not in hurry. I know people who are all time in this search. I am not. I already wrote recently that I am fine alone too. 
   
I met two other women recently and I have a meeting in a few days with the one I like better.

[olgac]

Yes meeting more women is a great idea! Please keep Your options open so You are not 100% focused on a woman who might not love You back. Best of luck!

[Patagonie]

Yes meeting more women is a great idea! Please keep Your options open so You are not 100% focused on a woman who might not love You back. Best of luck!

 
Thank you Olga for your support 
   
In these circumstances you have two ways to modify things. Put more pressure on the woman you try to be with (with very limited effects or no effects, or even worse opposite effects) and leave the pressure on her by ceasing to focus on her. 
   
Meeting new women and reopening social dynamics are the greatest ways to improve your life.
Additionally when a woman starts to feel that you bail out (genuinely, without any manipulation) there are chances that she tries to chase back.

[Boethius]

I'm sorry, but you're too old to play these manipulation games.  They don't work, and they don't bring relationships with depth, or love. 


We all look for different things.  I would rather be alone than be with someone who is with me because they think they can manipulate me, or control me, or wants my lifestyle/money/passport/etc.

[Patagonie]

I'm sorry, but you're too old to play these manipulation games.  They don't work, and they don't bring relationships with depth, or love. 


We all look for different things.  I would rather be alone than be with someone who is with me because they think they can manipulate me, or control me, or wants my lifestyle/money/passport/etc.

 
 
I do agree with your general statement.

[Patagonie]

So life is quite amusing in the sense that it works like a compass and it is all time moving.     
So I just called lady of Thailand yesterday, but as it often happens due to her work or children she didn't hang up.
However she w rote a message few hours later to excuse herself to not being able to take the call and asking me how I feel.
     
So I dropped two vocal messages explaining health problems that I have recently encounter. I also patiently explained that I know that she cannot answer when she works and when she is with her children. I even support and encourage the fact that children don't need to know about me for the moment, considering that her divorce is recent or maybe unfinished. 
Consequently, because she has a little window to call, she has to initiate the call, and if possible to inform me in advance so I can better manage the call, if possible.
Finally I have been asking her to call me so we can talk about the visa. 
       
She answered few time later telling me about her week and that she is preparing the birthday of her daughter. I also received a big heart. 
 So the pace is not the one I would like, but she wants to keep me obviously. And to be frank I don't even think there is another challenger. She maybe found a local boy for healthy practice one hour a month, who knows, but it doesn't matter. 
 
   
The other girl 
The other girl whom I am supposed to meet in a few days is maybe dying in my hands. 
We had recently some funny messages, except that I was the only one to make it funny.
I wrote it, it's humor.   
So today I took my phone to drop a vocal message, asking how are you, and coming around these written messages saying that was like it was, nothing to hurt you, just some fun. The call ended strangely before I could finish what I had to say.
I decided to double my message on Whatsapp by also dropping a vocal message. 
I normally don't use funny stuff with FSU women but normally it's ok with local women. But you never know, especially the incomplete and poor written form which can lead very quickly to some real misunderstanding.   
 
I need to clarify this point. 
 Maybe she has already discarded me, if it's because she disliked two short sentences of my communication I will have no regret to see her leaving the scene. 
Ok so I did the missing step to reach out her hand. 
Let see what happens now. 

[Patagonie]

So girl 2 is still in the game.
She called me back to say everything is ok. Don't worry I was just replicating your humor (IOI)
40 mn of communication, needed to hit the brakes 

[Patagonie]

I was on a multi language forum
And we were talking in English/Russian and then a young Russian girl came in.
I asked her what do you want in life?
A big house, big dogs, and big dollars
Than another guy asked her, what do you bring?
My beauty
I asked her, how do you rate your beauty on a world ranking, are you a model?
Then she bailed out, stopping answering due to her low level in English. 
 
 Is this not incredible?
Young male generation has to worry.

[2tallbill]

Is this not incredible?
Young male generation has to worry.

They've always had to worry, finding a good girl has always been the answer going back generations.

[Patagonie]

So finally we had few exchanges with lady of Thailand including a call yesterday of 15 mn.   
She ended by telling "hugs". 
It's obvious that she kept me in a corner but it's also obvious that she wants to keep me and come to my country. 
I feel more relax with her and disengaged. 
Which is all I needed. 

[Patagonie]

girl 2 sent me a message yesterday to postpone our appointment today. 
She was afraid of my reaction. 
In fact I am pretty cool and don't care. 
It can be a day or another I have time.
 

[Patagonie]

Interesting:I wake up and I have two messages of lady of Thailand on my phone.

[Patagonie]

Got a lovely photo of her beautiful knees.     
She got seek a little bit and sent me a photo of her thermometer.

[Patagonie]

Will recontact girl 3 so she is not lost in the wild. 
Could interest some single guys I know when I make a party. 

[olgac]

I was on a multi language forum
And we were talking in English/Russian and then a young Russian girl came in.
I asked her what do you want in life?
A big house, big dogs, and big dollars
Than another guy asked her, what do you bring?
My beauty
I asked her, how do you rate your beauty on a world ranking, are you a model?
Then she bailed out, stopping answering due to her low level in English. 
 
 Is this not incredible?
Young male generation has to worry.

Oh yeas the younger generation of Russian girls HATE when you ask what You bring to the table. I have recently been reading Threads from Instagram and for some reason there are a lot of men hating young russian women who post a lot on what women deserve and get totally pissed off when any man asks what they bring to the table!
These girls aren't even for equality in a feminist sense, they are for what matriarchal society according to them and they think men need to be responsible for a traditionally male duties and women are providing so called "female energy".

When I sort of agreed with a question "what they bring to the table" and said this is a male response to their entitlement,
they said I obviously don't have a daughter otherwise I wouldn't question what a woman brings. I didn't want to keep asking what that is so I left the conversation And we do have a daughter I know what SHE would bring

Anyways to me the younger generation seems very entitled and pissed off at men.

[olgac]

I'm sorry, but you're too old to play these manipulation games.  They don't work, and they don't bring relationships with depth, or love. 


We all look for different things.  I would rather be alone than be with someone who is with me because they think they can manipulate me, or control me, or wants my lifestyle/money/passport/etc.

Yes completely agreed. I think at one point there was a book for the women "He is just not into You". Preventing women of making excuses for men who aren't active enough in a relationship. So Probably a good book to read for You as well even though You are a man.

[Patagonie]

Oh yeas the younger generation of Russian girls HATE when you ask what You bring to the table. I have recently been reading Threads from Instagram and for some reason there are a lot of men hating young russian women who post a lot on what women deserve and get totally pissed off when any man asks what they bring to the table!
These girls aren't even for equality in a feminist sense, they are for what matriarchal society according to them and they think men need to be responsible for a traditionally male duties and women are providing so called "female energy".

When I sort of agreed with a question "what they bring to the table" and said this is a male response to their entitlement,
they said I obviously don't have a daughter otherwise I wouldn't question what a woman brings. I didn't want to keep asking what that is so I left the conversation And we do have a daughter I know what SHE would bring
 
Anyways to me the younger generation seems very entitled and pissed off at men.

 
   
I think that's mainstream in the medias because it reminds me my last girlfriend from Kiev explaining the same type of intellectual construction (shit) saying a sort of "I bring the female energy" and you, as a man, you bring all the rest. 
     
It was a discussion we had and it lead to something very similar to what we are discussing now in the forum and I knew for certainty that she was spending a lot of time on social medias. 
   
two things come immediately to my mind when I hear this:   
1/The privilege of the nobles because of their blood (but they had not only privileges but also some obligations)   
2/And the promotion to access to something linked to a race or a gender rather than to some merit (Democrats were supporting this I think, I am not a specialist of the political life in America).   
     
I will only say one thing :This is purely betraying the principles and the soul of hundreds of years which are summarized in the 1776 and 1789 revolutions, two pillars which contain the best political principles (read Constitutions) to built modern republican democraties.