Do i have right Idea about russian women

[edgeoface]

Hello I am new to this forum

I am a 25 year old male living in England. I have taken interest in the idea of having a Russian Girlfriend however im not sure if I have the right idea about the reality of this i have hearded alot of things on the internet but need some solid facts. Basicly I think women in England are spoiled by feminism and demand to much I take advantage of men to much I know this from previous experience. I been told that Russian women are better in relationships and appreciate a mans efforts in a relationship as opposed to western women who demand and expect everything.

Can anyone tell me about what russian women are relay like in relationships?

Thank you

[The Natural]

My take on this is you find demanding/easy women everywhere. If you find a Russian woman, she will not be a push-over and while she might be better-looking than what you can find at home, she will also be strong-willed. As young as you are, I would try harder to find someone where you live, unless you live in a really small place like I do.

There's a lot more work to be done if you find someone outside the western world and you need to be aware of that before undertaking this search. You also have to take into consideration if you bring a young chick into England, she might be "westernized" pretty quickly.



Good luck.

[acctBill]

As a fellow Brit let me tell you that if you can't deal with British women the truth is you're not going to be able to make a go of it with Russian women.  There are large numbers of Russian women living in England so depending on where you live it might be very easy to meet some Russian women who have emigrated to the UK. 

If you live in the area of greater London you will find no problem meeting Russian women.  Any college or university will have Russian students.  Dating sites in the UK have Russian women members.  Take a Russian language course so you can learn some Russian and it will help to recognise the language when you hear it. 

[SFandEE]

Hopefully my voice is consistent on such a concern.  FSUW are not a remedy to being able to build a relationship with a woman.  They are a reward for being able to build a relationship with a woman.  If you can do so, there are some amazing FSUW who are open to doing so.

[Muzh]

Dude,

You are 25 yo and you are already referring to your local women in that tone? I have some bad news for you. Forget about Russian women for a while. As a matter o fact, forget about having a significant relationship with any woman until you come to grips with social interactions.

Every time I hear the same pigeon pellets about feminism, all I hear is a guy complaining that women are not willing to be their sex-slave. You want submissive women go to the Philippines. You want a soulmate, then change your attitude.

[The Natural]

You want submissive women go to the Philippines. You want a soulmate, then change your attitude.

Hold your horses there Muzh. I havew two sisters-in-law that are Phillipinos. They are warm and wonderful to be around but no sex-slaves or submissives as they let it be known what they think about different matters. There is also a guy in my tiny village whos married to a very beautiful Phillipino and she seems to run the whole show.

I don't believe in generalisations like that. You want a certain type of woman? You can find her anywhere if you just look hard enough.

[Gylden]

Maybe it's just me, but I think the OP is not a native English speaker. I would guess the trouble he is having with English women is probably cultural differences.

Russian women per say would not be a solution to the problem.
 

[SFandEE]

Glyden I noticed the same thing and agree.

[edgeoface]

Well lets look at it from my perspective.

I live and work in England and I really do not like the attitude of women in my country especially between ages of 18-25 year olds (in my age range) they have grown up in a competitive materialistic and consumerism environment. All the women in my office who are young although they are very attractive I find there personality's repulsive they complain about not having things they want bitch about people behind their backs and obsessed with money and designer clothes and run up a load of credit card bills and think they are special in some ways. I have witnessed this behaviour in young females everywhere I go in England especially the attractive ones who know how to use their looks for personal gains. Also females in England are very overrated allot of the beauty is artificial all make up and cosmetics yea it makes them look stunning but its not real. Its not that I cannot handle women in my country I am simply not willing to put up with it any longer.

I not looking for a Russian Girlfriend because I think she will be a pushover not at all im looking for a Girlfriend who will appreciate my efforts in a relationship not take me for granted and expect everything from me like all my previous girl friends have done I literally don't find 99% of attractive girls in my country as potential candidates for a long term relationship any more I want a women with natural beauty and has the right mental qualities aswell not one or the other.

So is a Russian girlfriend someone for me or have I been dragged in buy the stories?

Thanks for your advice its much appreciated     

 

(by the way I was born in England and speak English very well I just get lazy with typing sometimes lol )

[Handycam72]

There is no difference.

Some are just as Materialistic if not more so than any other girls you will find in UK. You will find good sincere, down to earth girls in FSU, just as you can in the UK.

The reality there is little difference between FSU and UK women. The only thing I have noticed is FSU might take more pride in their appearance.

[Doll]

So is a Russian girlfriend someone for me or have I been dragged in buy the stories?

Most likely dragged.

[The Natural]

I would say this:

Contrary to popular opinion, women are, like men, drawn to looks. If you look like a Hollywood actor you would have no problems attaractive interest. But then, why would you be here?

If you are average, or below average as most guys here, it's a different story altogether. Don't fall for the the talk about us western men being soooooo intellectual. For the most part it's just bull,an an excuse to make us seem more interesting. We're just another flavour of the the same they have back home, except we're from another country and have another way of using the language.

Most men, in my opinion, must realize they are MEN and not search for a second mother and act like real men are supposed to!!!

[bleau]

Sometimes I think a woman is a woman no matter what country or culture. MY 16 year old daughter is from Russia and has been here 10 of those years.
Some things we've noticed about her in relation to the Russian women I know.
She is a "neat freak". She keeps her room spotless while her friends rooms are usually trashed.
She dresses very neatly and takes pride in her appearance, She will not leave the house unless she is clean and neatly dressed. She will have nothing to do with any kind of clothes baggy, will not wear dirty shoes. We take turns in the kitchen, I drop the dirty dishes in the sink to wash later, she puts the dishes in the dishwasher and chews on me for not doing the same thing. She keeps our workstation we share together organized, I try not to but she always wins. She has a Morgan horse, a dog and cat that she keeps just as neat as she is. She has an office at our business here,,always neat and organized, no one else does this.

I asked her one time..why are you such a neat freak,  you're driving me nuts. She laughed and said I dunno dad, it's just something within me that I like everything in order...has to be her Russian female culture certainly not her American upbringing.

I think if you're 25...think good times with the girls where you live, Get a few more years on you before you start thinking serious and then if you're still interested try dating a Russia girl go for it.

Dang, I don't even remember 25..how does it feel? lol

[Maxx2]

This from a fellow named Bean, circa 2006

Bean wrote:

"My wife and step daughter ar crazy IMHO!

My wife accuses me of "lying to her, cheating her and destroying her life." Acoording to her I have stolen 3 years of her life.

How about if we review the last 3 1/2 years:

1 trip to Spain ( Barcelona and Costa Brava)

1 Trip to Italy ( Rome, Florence, Vienna, Amalfi, Sorrento, Capri etc)

1 Trip to Domincan Republic All Inclusive for 2 Weeks

2 Motor Home trips of 6 weeks plus

2 Sailing trips of 6 weeks plus on a new 40' Catalina sailboat

3 trips to Florida from the Midwest

3 trips to Russia for more than 3 weeks each

1 trip to All inclusive resort in Turkey.

Never worked or contributed in any way to anything.

Demanded money of numerous occaisions. When my parents made a significant $ gift at Christmas she demand 1/2

She is now on the deed to my home and mortgage.


According to her "I have lied to her, cheated her and destroyed her life."

The last time I tried to have a conversation with her she accused me of stealing 3 years from her life.

I tried to point out:

1 She has travelled the world.

2 She has never worked or contibuted to our life.

3 She now speaks English.

4 She is a permament resident of the US.

5 She has a drivers license and a new car. (Buick Rendevous)

6 Her daughter will be a University Graduate in 5 months. ( She has lived with us in the US for 3 + years.)

7 They have destroyed and totalled 2 cars.

8 My step daughter has spent every summer in Russia since they arrived 4 years ago.

9 blah, blah, blah

I could gone forever!

IMHO, you are crazy to marry a RW!

Bean
 
I am not done with my "RANT"

Will someone please explain to me how I "lied to her, cheated her and destroyed her life." How did I "steal 3 + years of her life?"

Richard asked if any board members could identify any personality or charcater disorders common to RW. I have tried to establish relationshipswith other RW/AM couples. Their experience is the same as mine. They (AM) dedicate, sacrifice and and give, give, give. It is never enough or good enough. Give them a 1 and 1/2 carat diamond and as soon as the see a RW with 2 carats.....you have effed up!

My conclusion is that my experience is typical.

My wife and step daughter are not bad people. They are simply products of their environment. They came her for a better life and simply couldn't figure out when they had it.

Needless to say, my marriage is over! This was the biggest mistake of my life!

I can't wait until I am out of this BS!

Bean
 
BTW, for those of you who suspect I am chauvinistic or demanding and perhaps my mental health is the cause of our failure, please be informed that I never had any domestic expectaions.

I never asked or expected my wife to cook, clean, do laundry or any other domestice "chores." From day one I simply asked her to be happy, enjoy life and try not to be too critical. She couldn't do it! She had platinum credit cards, debi cards, check book etc.

She was simply incapable of not judging me, criticising me and complaining. The more I gave the more she complained!

My experience with my "RW" is bizarre!

Perhaps I am totally at fault. I think I was way too generous in the beginning. I think I created an unrealistic expectation. I loved her and wanted to change her life. I phucked up! Big Time!

She's miserable and so am I. Hopefully we will find a way out of this mess!

Bean
 
4 plus years later and they still only speak
russian to each other at home. Right in front of me and all the time.

To my fault and at my expense I still have no idea what they are talking about. All I know is that the vocabulary is harsh, often loud screaming, guttaral and often refers to me.

I have made repeated requests. "english only in the kitchen and dining room, to no avail.

I do know that the aftermath to their conversation is not good for my wife. my step daughter and especially for me.

Had I known I was marrying a woman so I could pay tribute her beauty, intelligence and sophistication I would'nt have gone through with it. If what you say is true and is typical or usual for RW then most of theses marriages are doomed.

It also answers Richard's origianl question regarding common character or personality disorders.

You may be on to something. If you are it needs to be published in the tablets something like this:

"One very good reason to marry an RW is so you will have someone to demean you, insult you and criticize you. Following her critique and condemnation you will be allowed to pay her tribute for her beauty and intelligence."

For the record, I married to have a life partner to love and share my life with.


Bean

[ML]

All the women in my office who are young although they are very attractive I find there personality's repulsive they complain about not having things they want bitch about people behind their backs and obsessed with money and designer clothes and run up a load of credit card bills and think they are special in some ways. I have witnessed this behaviour in young females everywhere I go in England especially the attractive ones who know how to use their looks for personal gains. Also females in England are very overrated allot of the beauty is artificial all make up and cosmetics yea it makes them look stunning but its not real. Its not that I cannot handle women in my country I am simply not willing to put up with it any longer.

You have a completely wrong idea about RW.  Although as others have written that you can find a variation  of women in every country, in general, RW will be MORE materialistic than western  women.  They will be MORE obsessed with designer clothes, etc.  And they certainly will use MORE make up and cosmetics.

And RW (much  more than your English gals) do think they are very special.  This is the other side of the agency hype coin.  i.e.  Beginning men read the agency hype and believe these women are special.  The RW are also reading this crap and come to believe that they are special.

And very importantly, romancing a RW will cost you much more than romancing an English gal.  Western gals are often willing to share expenses with the man on dates, trips, etc.  Not so with RW.  It is built into the culture that the man must pay for everything; even in situations where the RW might have just as much or more money than the man.

If you want to read some about the cost of trying to attain a young supposedly top notch RW then read Neo's story here: 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13138.0

Now, what you want to try to do is find one of the minority of RW who is not materialistic, and not obsessed with designer clothes, cosmetics, etc.  You could also try to find such a woman in England.

The major difference in your search for such in FSU vs England is that you can generally trade up in the FSU.  Trade up in terms of general looks, slenderness, education, culture, etc.  This trade up possibility exists solely because of economic conditions.

Note:  This is not saying that RW are better looking, more educated or more cultured than English gals.  It just means you can trade up to higher levels in FSU.

The only true advantage the RW gals have is in the slender category.  But then you must consider how long this lasts when they move west.

But this trade up potential will cost you a lot in terms of money (for trips and no cost sharing), time and frustration.

And, even when you think you have found your ideal FSU woman, you will come face to face with some major cultural differences including their ideas about spending money; both yours and theirs. 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13276.0

Is all the hassle and cost worth it.  Depends on how successful you are.
For me, the answer is yes because I have been able to spend quality time with several FSU women in their 40s who are 5 feet 6 to 5 feet 10 weighing 115 pounds or so (for the 5 feet 6 inch gals for example), who are physicians, dentists, professors, scientific researchers, middle management types, etc. and who are  not materialistic, obsessed with designer clothes, cosmetics, etc. 

But I have to do a ton of weeding to find these gems.  And still, most situations do not work out for the long run for the same reasons found in relationships in any country of the world.

[Muzh]

You want submissive women go to the Philippines. You want a soulmate, then change your attitude.

Hold your horses there Muzh. I havew two sisters-in-law that are Phillipinos. They are warm and wonderful to be around but no sex-slaves or submissives as they let it be known what they think about different matters. There is also a guy in my tiny village whos married to a very beautiful Phillipino and she seems to run the whole show.

I don't believe in generalisations like that. You want a certain type of woman? You can find her anywhere if you just look hard enough.

Ooops, my bad. Sorry.

[Vincenzo]

And very importantly, romancing a RW will cost you much more than romancing an English gal.  Western gals are often willing to share expenses with the man on dates, trips, etc.  Not so with RW.  It is built into the culture that the man must pay for everything; even in situations where the RW might have just as much or more money than the man.

You forgot to mention that Russians rarely eat out. A wife cooks breakfast, lunch, and dinner. What about an English gal?

If you want to read some about the cost of trying to attain a young supposedly top notch RW then read Neo's story

I was in Odessa. There are hundreds restaurants in the city where you can order very tasteful food for $10 or less. Neo managed to find a $500 restaurant in order to impress an agency girl.

[Sky_Blood]

You forgot to mention that Russians rarely eat out. A wife cooks breakfast, lunch, and dinner. What about an English gal?

Russians do eat out. And rather often.
Its funny guys to read stuff on such forums...I think many foreigners pay too much attention to location and nationality. It all depends...being young Russian girl, I can tell you that we r different. Those who think that Russian women are always family-oriented, considerate, loving and caring aren't quite right. Those who think that we r all gold-diggers aren't quite right either.
I must admit in modern Russia girls are very money hungry. They wanna find some wealthy(wealthy means 80K+) guy to help her to immigrate, get education and whatnot and then just screw him over. That is mostly about young girls. Many girls here think that USA is like they show in Hollywood movies - big houses, expensive cars, designer clothes...don't blame them - thats just what we see in movies...many are really into that Californian dream.
On the other hand, there r many girls who just wanna family. Its surprising, but there r girls who really wanna be committed to the family, raise kids, cook dinners. Mostly, these are girls who had experience with Russian men....so they wouldnt ask u to get them Manolo Blahnik shoes(Sex and the city made its contribution)б they wouldn't ask u for luxury...they d be just happy that u appreciate her, take care of her and love her.And with pleasure would give such a treatment back...and she would never care that u don't make six figuires or dont have six pack
So...Russian women are different...
Just my opinion )

[Muzh]

Russians do eat out. And rather often.
Its funny guys to read stuff on such forums...I think many foreigners pay too much attention to location and nationality. It all depends...being young Russian girl, I can tell you that we r different. Those who think that Russian women are always family-oriented, considerate, loving and caring aren't quite right. Those who think that we r all gold-diggers aren't quite right either.
I must admit in modern Russia girls are very money hungry. They wanna find some wealthy(wealthy means 80K+) guy to help her to immigrate, get education and whatnot and then just screw him over. That is mostly about young girls. Many girls here think that USA is like they show in Hollywood movies - big houses, expensive cars, designer clothes...don't blame them - thats just what we see in movies...many are really into that Californian dream.
On the other hand, there r many girls who just wanna family. Its surprising, but there r girls who really wanna be committed to the family, raise kids, cook dinners. Mostly, these are girls who had experience with Russian men....so they wouldnt ask u to get them Manolo Blahnik shoes(Sex and the city made its contribution)б they wouldn't ask u for luxury...they d be just happy that u appreciate her, take care of her and love her.And with pleasure would give such a treatment back...and she would never care that u don't make six figuires or dont have six pack
So...Russian women are different...
Just my opinion )

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[Sky_Blood]

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And welcome Sky_Blood

Thank U Muzh
Its so very interesting to read what men think)
And really hope I could help someone to figuire things out)))
And was so happy not to find my fiancee here reflecting on how mean Russian girls are)

[Muzh]

Thank U Muzh
Its so very interesting to read what men think)
And really hope I could help someone to figuire things out)))
And was so happy not to find my fiancee here reflecting on how mean Russian girls are)

I'm pretty sure you can handle that.    I mean, the fiance. 

[Vincenzo]

Russians do eat out. And rather often.

No, they don't.
Most Russian restaurants that I've visited were empty.
However, during lunch hours Russians flock into cheap eateries like McDonald's.

If a lady really likes you, she'll invite you to a dinner party. She'll definitely show her best cooking skills.

[Sky_Blood]

No, they don't.
Most Russian restaurants that I've visited were empty.
However, during lunch hours Russians flock into cheap eateries like McDonald's.

If a lady really likes you, she'll invite you to a dinner party. She'll definitely show her best cooking skills.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna argue. But i live here for my whole life...and its not uncommon not to be able to reserve(book) a table at ur favourite restaurant not only on weekends, but on business days. Idk about Moscow and St.Ptb, there r just too many places there...but i live in the city with over 2.000.000 population
So...idk when i worked in a restaurant in Usa we also had really slow days and almost no people but it didnt make me think Americans don't eat out
As for cooking skills, yes u r prolly right. But it has nth to do with not eating out.

[Vincenzo]

An American will eat out 6 times a day, he or she won't cook at all.
Coffee at Starbucks - 3 times, McDonald's - 2 times, something different - 1 time.

[tim 360]

An American will eat out 6 times a day, he or she won't cook at all.
Coffee at Starbucks - 3 times, McDonald's - 2 times, something different - 1 time.

This is a very general statement and totally inaccurate.  Maybe you and your friends do--but most people don't eat out 6 times a day.