Odessa and AnastasiaDate. A Risky Proposition.

[neo]

Greetings,

So i am currently in Odessa and have a couple of hours to kill before I depart for my flight home, so I thought I would get started on my latest trip report to Odessa to meet a girl I wrote to on Anastasia Date (oh noes i hear to cry, fetch the popcorn!  )

Based on prior experience of this toxic combination I am sure many board regulars are now expecting a TR of car crash proportions, however you will have to read on to find out the results of my "risky proposition"

Background:

For those that don't know me, I have been a board regular on and off for many years, and was a regular on the previous board which must now never be named. I started visiting Ukraine originally on Business back in around 98/99 and have been a regular visitor since to both UA and RU, although my favourite has always been UA (the RU's just hate the Brits now), I was originally engaged to a girl from Kharkov for a few years but the relationship did not settle and decided to call it a day. In total I have probably met or dated more than 100+ different girls through various agencies and meeting methods, chance encounters etc and finally married a girl from Russia, we stayed married for 5 years but a complete disaster of personality incompatability meant we finally (after several attempts to reconcile) called it a day.  A no fault divorce (no kids, no joint assets) was arranged for about 40 USD and I was off the hook so to speak, both older and wiser.

Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Boss.

So During the 1.5 years since seperation I hit the local dating market quite hard and got through 20+ liasons with various girls, but nothing magical and I started to miss the magic of having a slavic lovely in my life, when I had the opportunity to settle my life down taking a Director position at a large international company it seemed an ideal chance to finally get the wife, dog, home and kids and stop misbehaving. Being in my mid-30's and having sowed my oats wild and far I was finally bored of chasing skirt and wanted to hang up my babnik ways for a pair of slippers and a well cooked dinner.

Now I have always gone about things in a very unconventional way compared to the tried and trusted rules of engagement, this is partly due to youthful arrogance, and partly due to my maverick sense of adventure and not doing things by the book. I tend to trust to luck and fortune and with one exception this has kept me out of the prodaters and scammers hands for many years. They say there is no substitute for personal experience and having met and seen the modus operandi of the worst end of this debacle I am pretty aware of the tricks these senoritas ply to trap the unwary. Having been a very welcome part of both a Russian family (my wife's) and my best Ukrainian friends family (who i have stayed with on many occassions) I am lucky to have learnt a lot about native culture, customs and character here behind the agency BS. This "training" i think has given me a innate sense of finding balance in my dealings in the country and assures from taxi drivers to local interpreters I manage to avoid complicated situations.  I have made a lot of friends with interpreters along the way who have dug a lot of dirt and generally consider me to be more of a friend than client a fact reflected in their willingness to usually go the extra mile or not charge me the going whack.

So I always think my TR's should be taken in context, I don't profess to be the world expert on UA or RU women, or the country, i still learn every day - but I am fortunate in being a very independent traveller and long past the days of needing agency assistance or a constant terp minding over me. From getting on buses to the prospects or arguing on the market over the price of fish i feel quite comfortable these days to manage my own affairs.

Why did i choose AnastasiaDate and Odessa?

This was something of a challenge for me, Having done all the usual suspects I wanted somewhere I could do a "lightning raid" on of a extended weekend trip to test the waters, I didn't fancy the videochat lands of Nikolaev and was bored of Kharkov, I vowed I wasn't going back to RU at any point as the character of Ukraine fits me much better, and I find more of a natural affinity with UA women than RU (through long experience of both).

AnastasiaDate was a challenge to be beaten - throughout my dating endeavours I have always targeted high profile "trophy girls", this is quite cynical, being youngish, no baggage and in a good job with nice life to offer I could get an average 5/6//7 at home, so for the hassle of importing an exotic if you will exscuse my vulgarity I wanted the full nine yards smokinhotkova. I couldn't help it really, as my mother remarked "you have always chased and been chased by pretty birds since you were a 5 year old, I should have called you Alfie!". So these captivating beauties always caught my eye.

This is a problem however, how to find that ONE diamond in the rough, the one genuine stunning girl who still has some of those traditional Ukrainian family values (and they do exist, just more rarely in agency girls). the perfect package of victoria secrets model looks, superb chef and mother and loving wife, too much to ask? well if it is then why go half way across the planet to get a worse deal than you get at home? if i couldn't find it i would simply move on, to commit to life with a person you really want to choose the person you think is the very best you could ever meet.

So given the current state of the market in dating this was a challenge. The best of the small agencies girls had long since been vacuumed up by the warehouse operators, my usual hunting ground of a small local mom and pop agency with one or 2 amazing girls was no longer a viable option. So it was either RLM or AD, i looked at Elenas models but didn't see anyone that was really going to make the effort worthwhile, (Post divorce I was MUCH choosier knowing what would be involved).

So RLM was discounted, for all their hype their catalogue is looking increasingly plain, expensive and riddled with chataholics. My rule was to watch each girl i was interested in over a extended period and any extensive chat sessions at silly hours (like 22 hours a day or at 4am) were instantly ruled out. all girls with very provocative images or overtly sexual tendancies were also binned. the usual sift really.

So i started on AD, i didn't respond to any letters, this would be a "surgical strike" one or at most two potentials to execute a neat special forces letter writing operation to minimise fiscal exposure to the dollar vacuum and avoid too much involvement due to the inevitable risks.

Now i always approached this with the view that the PPL was probably a scam, the letters I wrote could well be pointless and nothing I learnt from the other-side could be true and may be fabricated - on this basis I proceeded, I did not bother with any of the elaborate attempts to extract my chosen one from the system or verify her identity or try and get any background info. As far as I was concerned i was being taxed by AD for the opportunity of a blind date that may or may not happen with a girl who may or may not exist or turn up.

I wrote to the girl in question for about 10 months but with a 4-5 month break after my father passed away and a took a break from work. She joined AD about 1 month after my investigations began, she had a nice normal profile, sensible information, while the usual eye candy of photos was present they weren't overly sexualised or provocative, i capped writing to her at most once every 7-10 days, in total we exchanged around 15 letters each, she sent me personal photos and I sent her some. Her letters did not appear to be form or manufactured and she always answered my questions in detail and asked me questions also, compared to alternative letters from the region she at least on paper passed the first sanity check.

The only gift I sent was a valentines package for about 200 USD, I was loathed to pay such a high price to AD but was planning my surprise visit in 2 weeks and wanted to hedge my bets, I long since learnt to miss such events with a genuine sin of unforgivness so it was a balance, since I wasn't into AD for a huge USD sum on wasted efforts I figured it was a small price compared with doing a full agency service fleecing.

When I got the opportunity to stop over in Istanbul on the way to business meetings in Asia I realised my time was available to make a extended weekend detour to Odessa, I really wanted at most 3-4 days there just to go and meet this girl in person and see what the situation was in reality, combining it with a business trip was a good way to ensure i made as little investment as possible to mitigate the obvious risks of the place/AD reputation, i had a bit of work to do anyway so figured I would at least have a few quiet days in the apartment to get some paperwork done if the whole thing turned out to be a washout.

So i booked in the "date a lady" service, I had a chat discussion with the girl in question and she seemed excited and pleased I was visiting and we set an agreed date, I paid the 70 USD deposit and sent in the (joke) imbra papers, since I am not a merkin I don't see the point but didnt want complications.

I booked my flight with BA via Budapest, this was to maximise my BA miles and Tier points and it was only 20 USD more than the austrian airline flights, my business would take care of my inbound flight as I would go to Odessa directly via Istanbul from Japan.

I originally was a bit lazy and was going to use AD apartment service, then i thought better of it and booked my apartment through another service provider that was half the price for the same apartment and transfer service. I prefered this as I wanted to limit my involvement with AD services on the ground other than arranging the date.

The date came back positive and I headed off to Japan for my week of business, I bought a small perfume and gift for my date duty free just in case, wrote her a final letter and then thought no more of it

NEXT INSTALMENT!

THE ARRIVAL.

[Aloe]

My rule was to watch each girl i was interested in over a extended period and any extensive chat sessions at silly hours (like 22 hours a day or at 4am) were instantly ruled out.

What does that mean?   Extensive chat sessions were ruled out? You mean watch in real life then? How do you watch a person for a long time without extensive chatting ? Only in real life then

[ML]

I see you have much practice in writing; so as to tell a good and interesting story.

Your situation and modus operandi, however, are full of contradictions.

You claim to be and indeed seem to have had a lot of experience with this . . . .

yet you choose to go with an agency and pay the unnecessary bucks rather than 'be the experienced man' you claim to be and do it yourself with the match dating sites where you pay only a monthly fee for unlimited contacts, etc. 

You need no hand holding, yet you went the route where you pay for some hand holding???????

[Jumper]

Aloe ,
 Some  of these agencies that have the vid chat feature,
shows whose currently available for chat.
(just like this website shows whose logged in)

if Neo see's a profile thats available routinely,
like a work shift, lets say from 9pm to 7 am Odessa time, wednesday thru sunday
(or anything that appears a routine scheduled work shift)
he tosses that profile out as some one quite likely *paid to chat*
(which are legion any more in some cities)
 He wouldn't have to sit and watch the computer, or the persons profile 24/7 .to notice that certain profiles are on at routine times,and often for many hours at what would be a very strange time for an odessa citizen to routinely be up ,and available to chat.Certainly if thier profile says they work as a bank teller for example.Yet are online at that site from exactly 1am to 11am monday thru friday.
Those  become obvious fairly quickly, by just normal use of the website and being slightly observant.
 Neo may have a different explaination, ,but thats my guess at his actions when dealing with these type agencies who have a very poor business model and a need for him to wed thru who might
be simply working , or seriously looking for a foreign man.  (they don't have to be exclusive, as the  person *working* at an agency, *may* also be looking, but you can see the reasons Neo might want to avoid those profiles)

[Faux Pas]

I see you have much practice in writing; so as to tell a good and interesting story.

Your situation and modus operandi, however, are full of contradictions.

I'm not seeing the contradictions. It appears to me his eyes are wide open

You claim to be and indeed seem to have had a lot of experience with this . . . .

yet you choose to go with an agency and pay the unnecessary bucks rather than 'be the experienced man' you claim to be and do it yourself with the match dating sites where you pay only a monthly fee for unlimited contacts, etc. 

It appears to me neo is a bit aroused by the idea of plucking a diamond away from an agency with the minimum amount of expense. Almost as much for kicks as meeting the woman. Some expense is inevitable so why not maximize that which is? He is indeed flirting with disaster and it appears he has the confidence and the experience to pull it off. An interesting read

You need no hand holding, yet you went the route where you pay for some hand holding???????

Of course I could be wrong and reading it from another perch than you ML, please correct me if I am wrong Neo.
He is not looking for the hand hold but rather it suits his purposes better.

It's interesting. I know another highly experienced member who has done much the same thing. For those experienced and know what they are doing, I say "Gitr done". Of course you are not permitted to cry foul anywhere in the process.

For those inexperienced I would caution, don't even think about going this route. Neo seems to be enjoying the thrill of the chase of the women almost as much as the game of chess with an agency of ill repute 

[Aloe]

Aloe ,
 Some  of these agencies that have the vid chat feature,
shows whose currently available for chat.
(just like this website shows whose logged in)

if Neo see's a profile thats available routinely,
like a work shift, lets say from 9pm to 7 am Odessa time, wednesday thru sunday
(or anything that appears a routine scheduled work shift)
he tosses that profile out as some one quite likely *paid to chat*
(which are legion any more in some cities)
 He wouldn't have to sit and watch the computer, or the persons profile 24/7 .to notice that certain profiles are on at routine times,and often for many hours at what would be a very strange time for an odessa citizen to routinely be up ,and available to chat.Certainly if thier profile says they work as a bank teller for example.Yet are online at that site from exactly 1am to 11am monday thru friday.
Those  become obvious fairly quickly, by just normal use of the website and being slightly observant.
 Neo may have a different explaination, ,but thats my guess at his actions when dealing with these type agencies who have a very poor business model and a need for him to wed thru who might
be simply working , or seriously looking for a foreign man.  (they don't have to be exclusive, as the  person *working* at an agency, *may* also be looking, but you can see the reasons Neo might want to avoid those profiles)

Oh, i thought he meant no chatting on skype or msn. Thx for explanation

[Jumper]

FP-
Agree,about the specific warning to the *inexperienced*:
dont try this at home folks!!!  (oh wait ! you cant   but you get the point)

I remember Neo well from other boards past and present,
He  has a decade of extensive experience with various agencies and with RW,
he knows the in and outs of both  a bad agency or a decent one,knows their various business models well. Also knows the benefits of meeting women not in any agency ,and
benefits of ones that are listed with one(as example at least they have considered possible relocation)

 He also is very well aware of the many potholes in the road ,particularly an FSU road,
and doesn't cry about hitting a few of them.

Coming from much the same mentality,
i think he just figured *what the heck*
fully expected the worst, but had the time and energy to expend doing so,
Viewed it as just another adventure that might very well go sour,but had some possibilities.
so why not?

Great TR and looking forward to how it turned out Neo!!



but yes, while i might do much the same..
In your case I cant think of a road with more potholes than Odessa through anastasia date!!
 


You have gone completely batty havn't you? fess up!! 
( i think my case is early senility,probably incurred from too many bumps on the head,
that's my story and i'm sticking to it.)
 

[Rubicon]

I see you have much practice in writing; so as to tell a good and interesting story.

Your situation and modus operandi, however, are full of contradictions.

You claim to be and indeed seem to have had a lot of experience with this . . . .

yet you choose to go with an agency and pay the unnecessary bucks rather than 'be the experienced man' you claim to be and do it yourself with the match dating sites where you pay only a monthly fee for unlimited contacts, etc. 

You need no hand holding, yet you went the route where you pay for some hand holding???????

go back and read some of Neo's posts about HRB and Anastasia.  I think he knows exactly what he is doing.  also, he is not choosing the agency, he is choosing the woman IN the agency.  I'm sure as soon as he meets her he will get her contact information and end the relationship with the agency, depending on her character, etc.

[Rubicon]

Excellent trip report Neo, keep it coming!! 

[neo]

Hi All,

I'm back from Odessa, sorry for the delay in the update as I have been catching up on work before I head to the US.

Some interesting responses

I think AJ and FP have already accurately responded to ML's post on my behalf, they know my form

So to clarify:

I don't see my approach as a contradiction.

The fact I CAN just go native and use a domestic dating service or meet girls in bars DOESNT MEAN I WANT TO.

thats not my objective on this TR

I wanted to meet a playboy bunny/victoria's secrets type girl with a nice personality, perhaps I could actually find that elusive diamond amongst the hardened agency girls who wasn't quite cynical or demotivated enough to be immune to falling for a cheeky alfie despite the best attempts to stop this happening.

You simply won't get this calibre of girl on a usual dating scene, these girls are usually ex or active models who have been pulled in by the AD chocolate factory with the lure of prizes of cars, iphones and revenue share agreements for looking pretty and chatting or writing letters. I know UA girls and compared to being trafficked into a egyptian brothel by a murderous albanian this is quite a good job opportunity. getting paid to keep your clothes on is a good business to be in.

but women are women, they say a woman is like a monkey, she doesnt let go of one branch until she has a firm hold on the next, I have managed to pry a agency cover girl out of her agency and lucrative income before so it can be done, all girls can fall in love even accidentally, so FP has me exactly right, its partly about the challenge of pulling that elusive diamond out of the rough, can I actually convince one of these pin-ups that I am a better long term bet than her agency benefits? can i evade (by that strategic chess match) the agency controls to make this happen?

Throwing some PPL dollars and a 70 bucks chat request is cheap as chips for the potential prize, the going rate just for a dinner date with a escort of this calibre is around 600 USD, a night of nooky will hit you for 2000+, compared to this a AD is a cheap night at the fair.

This is not a TR that attempts to explain how to use a honest agency, find a nice country girl who will cook your borsch. or do this on a walmart budget. This is entirely a high risk poker game to try and meet a pin-up with a nice character and see how viable a relationship turns out to be - i.e is the BS marketing spin AD promises EVER, EVER achievable? or are as many suspect the entire eye candy collective simply present to lure the $$$ and the only likely viable options are the plain janes.

So reinforcing AJ's caveat emptor DON"T TRY THIS AT HOME. in terms of doing a low risk adventure this is definately not the TR you are looking for, in terms of finding a nice safe low maintenance wife, again you will learn nothing from my shenanigans.

This is more really for your entertainment, will it work out? will i take a burn? we will find out.

so lets look at the facts again to recap:

1: WOVO
2: Identity and validity of girl never established prior to trip
3: 10 - 15 letters exchanged
4: no extensive chats
5: AD
6: Odessa
7: Girl under 25, very attractive, clearly eye candy.
8: 15 year age gap.
9: protaganist = 33-37 age group

Thats the ingoing risks. lets now roll the dice for your reading pleasure....

 

[Rubicon]

the suspense is growing....

[neo]

ODESSA WARS EPISODE II: RETURN OF THE NEO!

So here we go, I am inbound from Asia on a overnight flight in business class, tucked up in a nice duvet in my flat bed watching Wall Street: Money Never sleeps and thinking what a nice bum the stewardess has from this low angle. Within 24 hours I will be back on UA soil, a place I have not been for some time. I'm not especially nervous, probably the legion of free champagne I have been served and the fact I am not ruffing it in economy.

I arrive into Istanbul at 4:30am, the plane is sadly early, I say sadly because I now have something like a 9 hour layover until my booked connection flight, more annoying is that at least 3 flights will leave with other airlines but I had booked my flight business class for maximum miles so was loathed to lose the points and pay for a earlier departure, I was also booked in with my apartment service for a transfer so didn't feel like messing about, I headed to the laughably (for turkey) small smoking deck which annoyingly is on the opposite side of the airport to the business lounge and get my first nicotine hit in 13 hours, then head off for some early snacking in the business lounge. its so early the place is empty for once so i find a nice corner, put my airline slippers on and ear plugs and pull up a couple of chairs together for a nap. I sleep badly for a couple of hours constantly being annoyed by the flight calls that end with "have a nice flight" which is ok the first time, but wears very thin hearing it every 6 minutes for 9 hours, I wish they had bothered to have a quiet room but this is turkey. I make repeated trips to the free turkish buffet and grab a shower and wash-up and do a bit of work.

I FINALLY head off to my flight to Odessa, as usual this is out of its own little dedicated terminal exit just as in Vienna and Frankfurt they still seperate the inbound RU/UA flights not quite trusting the security at the other end. I get on the cramped bus for the flight and its completely full of locals, one of the reasons I like travelling "off-season" is that unlike the summer "bride (air)buses" off season you will be usually one of a handful of foreigners, competition for girls time is very low and the agencies are usually dead quiet so don't pull quite as many tricks as usual.

I decline the meal in business class, its only a 1 hour flight and I stuffed myself silly at the free buffet. We start the descent in and my first nerves hit a little bit. Despite 10 years of travelling to UA i still have a deep sense of trepidation this is the trip i will get hauled off to the gulag because my papers are not in order, the fact despite the general westernisation the complete soviet era mechanism of border security and customs remains in the strictly cold war era means you never feel you are arriving at anything other than a ex-soviet client state.

So the VIP buses arrive at landing, they have finally done away with the police state mentality of checking your passport and visa as you get off the plane and I have bypassed the VIP bus route and take the big bus with the rest of the proles.

Odessa terminal is as shabby and ulitarian as every other ex soviet airfield, in fact if you took the name off you could be anywhere in the FSU so is the uniformity of design. I troop into the passport hall and this is where it gets a bit wierd. I am always used to having a visa to visit Ukraine so arriving without one still fills me with insecurity, I go to fill out the immigration papers and the surprisingly polite passport guy just ushers me into the line - I can't remember having to ever go to Ukraine and not filling out 30 pieces of paperwork and waiting 1 hour just to get out the airport - i feel a bribe request coming on.....

Alas reform (at least for EU subjects) has hit Ukraine, i forgot I have mostly been in Russia these years and I get to the front of the line, the passport lady simply says "bizness or toorist" - "toorist i say" careful not to have a bout of terets and say "sex tourist" in the traditional James bond manner of "Toorist, I'm a sex toorist". maybe only i find that funny. ahem.

She asks which hotel. i tell her apartment. pushkinskaya. she nods "not hotel?" "no - i like to cook" - she shakes her head in disbelief. i must be lying. a man cook in ukraine? theres more chance the customs guys are honest.

She stamps my passport and I am off. bloody hell I think. that was too easy. collect my bags. off to customs. the poor sap in front of me gets raided by the customs bribe taker so the desks are all full, i take my bag of illicit italian designer contraband and cheap asian duty free marlboros and make good my escape while they aren't watching the x ray bribe opportunity detector.

Outside my driver is waiting, a taxi driver asks me if i want a taxi? I have a driver i tell him. maybe tommorrow he says. i will still have a driver i tell him. my driver is a friendly old chap, he greets me and shakes my hand and takes my bag. and leads me to the car, a decent enough japanese saloon that makes a nice change from the clapped out sovyet tincans. 20 USD for the transfer is a small price to pay for the benefit of modern suspension.

We go to the apartment, they give me all the internet enabling stuff and telephone number. I pay him the balance and 100 USD deposit, he books in my departure time, draws me a little map of the local supermarket, opera house and bank and is off.  the apartment is nice, the entrance is the usual pre-soviet era decay and gloom but get inside and its so chic you could be in paris. still has nasty bed covers though and the hot water for the shower is as effective as a mouse pissing into a straw but it looks nice. has all the stuff you need, plasma TV, cable TV, wifi and a decent kitchen. they left a small bottle of fizzy drink which I am glad of as I can't be bothered walking to the shop as jet lag has me beaten silly and my date is scheduled for 3 hours and I need to clean up and shave and iron my shirt.

Now I have arrived I have time to reflect on some of the madness inspiring this adventure. Firstly I have a really nice apartment, I've been in a hotel all week and I am glad of the chance of a decent lie in bed in the morning, internet to do some quiet work and a nice sofa to relax and catch up on the news. ironically after many weeks on the road and up in the air this feels like home now but its a bloody long walk downstairs for a smoke and I don't want to smoke in the apartment as its a bit posh and I don't want to make it stink like a ashtray. im a antismoking smoker. what can i tell you eh.

I try and grab a powernap, I have only 3 hours so its short, I grab a shower, shave and iron a shirt, I have brought a couple of small gifts I got from duty free, nothing too elaborate but enough to reward attendance at the meeting ;p

The meeting is scheduled for 8pm so I set off 30 minutes early having double checked the location and written down the details, I am heading over to the Opera house which makes a change from McDonalds, its only about 5 minutes walk but the precise meeting point is a bit vague so I want to have a good recce first. I didn't book any of my arrangements other than the date with the agency there is no "hand holding" as it was put earlier other than the required attendance of the compulsory agent rep translator. which is fair enough, looked at from the girls perspective I could be gary glitter, so I would want a chaparone as well.

Now at this stage I am fully expecting a no-show, In fact I will be surprised if my date arrives and all is as expected, since I am leaving after a few days its no big deal so I have a walk around the opera house and try and figure the best place to wait as its bloody cold, there are lot of people arriving for a performance and its quite gloomy and people are wrapped up so its going to make it difficult to spot my date also, i have the translators number luckily so wait outside the main entrance to the appointed time.....

NEXT INSTALLMENT

THE FIRST DATE:

[I/O]

Hey Billy, thanks for the report. Ooops, wrong guy, sorry Neo, I was confused for a moment.

[Shostakovich]

Ah Oui: the thrill of the chase.  I can see how this enterprise could get quite addictive.

[Lily]

 This is entirely a high risk poker game to try and meet a pin-up with a nice character and see how viable a relationship turns out to be - i.e is the BS marketing spin AD promises EVER, EVER achievable? or are as many suspect the entire eye candy collective simply present to lure the $$$ and the only likely viable options are the plain janes.
 

These words really enhance the women's competition spirit Reading this, a woman might want to take a moment and think once again, whether her appearance is really up to its maximum No chance to plain janes let's be as beautiful as we can be!

Just a small rant I keep my fingers crossed for you neo!

[I/O]

I keep my fingers crossed for you neo!

Why am I thinking that's not all you'd be keeping crossed.

[Gator]

so lets look at the facts again to recap:

1: WOVO
2: Identity and validity of girl never established prior to trip
3: 10 - 15 letters exchanged
4: no extensive chats
5: AD
6: Odessa
7: Girl under 25, very attractive, clearly eye candy.
8: 15 year age gap.
9: protaganist = 33-37 age group

Thats the ingoing risks. lets now roll the dice for your reading pleasure....

Many are counter to conventional wiisdom.  Nevertheless, this should be fun regardless if you find Ms. Right.  Why not have some fun!  Good luck!

[Lily]

Why am I thinking that's not all you'd be keeping crossed.

Well, suppose Neo will not post something that would make a woman wanting to cross her legs   

[Shostakovich]

Well, suppose Neo will not post something that would make a woman wanting to cross her legs   

Let's hope for the worst then, as you'll be wanting someone to help you open them back up again! Shosty to the rescue!

[BillyB]

married a girl from Russia, we stayed married for 5 years but a complete disaster of personality incompatability meant we finally (after several attempts to reconcile) called it a day. 

Sorry to here that Neo. I know you went through a lot to even marry her. After she was denied entry to England, you moved to France to live a life with her. Now how the hell did you end up in Norway?

[Aloe]

This is not a TR that attempts to explain how to use a honest agency, find a nice country girl who will cook your borsch. or do this on a walmart budget. This is entirely a high risk poker game to try and meet a pin-up with a nice character and see how viable a relationship turns out to be - i.e is the BS marketing spin AD promises EVER, EVER achievable? or are as many suspect the entire eye candy collective simply present to lure the $$$ and the only likely viable options are the plain janes.

And do you look like Brad Pitt? I have nothing against men looking for model type girls, but i do have something against people running around calling women that aren't their type "plain janes". You know, some people consider model type girls plain janes, cuz they are so skinny and flat So let's not be calling any women plain janes ok? I suspect you are quite plain looking yourself. Most of people are.

Personally i find quite many models plain and almost ugly looking, especially ones with legs like this
http://www.demorgen.be/static/FOTO/pe/2/9/11/media_l_4069061.jpg?20110223173208
http://valerielouvet.typepad.com/.a/6a0120a57451b3970b012876d0c839970c-800wi

But there are also a few i find very attractive, like this one http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1066514944/nm3356995

Anyway, the point is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so let's refrain from calling people plain. (yes, i just did it myself, but i'm trying to illustrate a point )

[GoodOlBoy]

I wanted to meet a playboy bunny/victoria's secrets type girl...... This is entirely a high risk poker game to try and meet a pin-up.......

Interesting read Neo.
It looks like you have "calculated" your risks (and they are HIGH) going into this endeavor.

I have 2 questions:

1.) Are any of these "girls" you are contacting 17 years old or younger? (I hope not, we already have one sicko on RWD http://www.slang-dictionary.com/definition/sicko.html.)

2.) Are you really serious about a relationship with an FSUW?

I have to be honest, your story is a good read but it comes across to me as someone not really serious about finding a lifetime mate.

Please continue writing your story though, it is a different approach!

GOB

[Gator]

1.) Are any of these "girls" you are contacting 17 years old or younger? (I hope not, we already have one sicko on RWD....)

Still chewing on that bone?  Come on dog, drop that dried up bone.  BTW, Neo's data say the women are 18-22.

2.) Are you really serious about a relationship with an FSUW? I have to be honest, your story is a good read but it comes across to me as someone not really serious about finding a lifetime mate.

He was serious earlier in his life and married a RW.  It did not work.  He learned from that experience, and  it sounds as if he is now taking his time.  I guess he is still focused on a model look, yet also seeking certain personality qualites missing with his ex-wife.

[Gator]

And do you look like Brad Pitt?

Neo looks like the infamous Carlos.     Carlos had plenty of women. 

 

Personally i find quite many models plain and almost ugly looking, especially ones with legs like this

I agree that the super skinny are unattractive. They look slinky when wearing fine, fashionable garments.  However, one look in the nude was all it took for my bubble to pop (I am not into anorexia).   :hairraising: She voluntarily admitted some concern that she did not look like a woman. 

It may seem a contradiction, yet my  45-yo lady was a model for 14 or so years.  Yes, a genuine model.  She did the runway (evening dresses) for a few years in Germany and Moscow, and as her body matured she eventually "advanced" to photo shoots to model German kitchen cabinets.   She described herself, humorously, as a model with breasts.

[Muzh]

Neo looks like the infamous Carlos.     Carlos had plenty of women. 

Ahem?

Have I ever mentioned anything of the sort to you?

Besides, I have never met this Neo to say we look alike. If he does, then he is a handsome dog.