One Man's Story

[ECOCKS]

Ten years huh? Makes you wonder where the problem might be......

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/105405/

I've seen so many like this guy over the years.

Makes me wonder who are the professional daters are and who are the dilettantes......

[GoodOlBoy]

10 years??.....I wonder if "Roger" is an RWD member?

He really didn't discuss his "criteria" for a wife in the article.
 
GOB


BTW.....Good to see you posting again ECOCKS.

[GoodOlBoy]

This article written by an FSUW is pretty good:
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/guide/general/detail/67363/
 
GOB

[Gator]

ECOCKS,
 
Did I read the story correctly?   This man was looking for 10 years yet met only 8 women in that time period.  Some men met that many in one weekend! 
 
This suggests to me that he was not so much a dilettante as a man who went for the women in the storefront window.  These are the women that disreputable agencies shill to entice men to participate.  And these women don't really know nor care what the agencies are doing in their name as long as they receive some share of the revenue.  If a man has a grossly exaggerated sense of self to believe he deserves only women rated as a "10.0,"  he will probably be looking and failing for a long time. 
 
 
Also, the man did not follow the 10 commandments.  He failed to obtain personal contact information and communicate with women directly without being filtered by the agency.  If he were sincere, he was an idiot.  If he were not very serious, he was indeed a dilettante. 
 
So I have no sympathy for the man.  The story is a good exposé of how some agencies can fleece an unsuspecting man.

[ECOCKS]

By dilettante I mean one who is not seriously focusing on what they say is their objective. As Gator says, I suspect he was in Fantasyland (no proof of course, just my gut feel) regarding his league and yes, he obviously didn't follow the basic rules for success or safety.

He did 7 trips to the FSU in 10 years, 8 women, no serious prospects - you be the judge.

Read the comments from someone who thinks they saw him in the Kyiv Metrograd Internet Center (Samsung) facility. He also looks familiar to me too but I didn't see him in the Samsung center, more likely at Golden Gate.

[aikorob]

http://www.kyivpost.com/news/opinion/op_ed/detail/105405/
 

[tfcrew]

[He reports]... Some of the women’s photos posted today were on the agency’s website ten years ago.

I'm wondering.. which agency is this?
Ole' Roger there in this article comes across like the one who has beat himself in the head with a hammer, because it feels so much better when he stops.

He comes up "Empty handed"..or empty headed?
Someone needs to change their act.

[acctBill]

I'd have to say that Mr. Wright should have realized the problems with the corrupt agencies within a few months or dates.  If he had done some research to find some responsible and honest agencies, he probably would have been married years ago. 

[Rubicon]

poor Mr. Wrong.  never could get a decent break!!

[Muzh]

Anybody read the letters to that article? Very interesting one from a guy who thinks he saw Roger at an internet cafe.

[Daveman]

The two similar threads were merged; titles left intact for ease in finding...

[I/O]

Some men met that many in one weekend! 

......................without the help of an agency (agency being the key word to the whole sorry tale IMO) or agent. Doubtless agents and agencies serve a purpose in this twisted pursuit, it's just that in a decade of observation I'm yet to see them serve a useful purpose.

[Turboguy]

10 years??.....I wonder if "Roger" is an RWD member?

If he were he would not have wasted so much time and money.

[Faux Pas]

If he were he would not have wasted so much time and money.

C'mon TG. We've seen many a posters that could be Old Roger. In fact there are a few here now 

[bleau]

Interesting about the agencies. My lady in Ukraine told me there is a girl that owns a shop, near her shop,  told her she works for an agency and all she does is date the men and is not interested in any kind of relationship and has a Russian boy friend.
The girl told her she sees only a couple of letters from the men but is more or less briefed by the agency before the guy arrives to meet her.
I asked her if I could meet this girl and she said certainly. If I do and more or less get to talk to her I'll certainly post about it on my TR when I return home with her pic I hope. This girl doesn't know about "me" so this could be interesting.
You hear that..."owns her own shop"...only sees a couple  letters... briefed by the agency...
I've never dealt with a paying agency so does this...sees only a couple of the letters but briefed by the agency sound truthful?

[Turboguy]

C'mon TG. We've seen many a posters that could be Old Roger. In fact there are a few here now 

Well, I can agree with you that there are some hard headed guys who don't want to listen.  I do think it would not take 10 years for even the worst of the lot to figure out that if they are using a bad agency there are better options.  When someone doesn't particpate in a forum the only educational material they see is the highly advertised websites of the worst agencys.

[GoodOlBoy]

The girl told her she sees only a couple of letters from the men but is more or less briefed by the agency before the guy arrives to meet her.
I asked her if I could meet this girl and she said certainly. If I do and more or less get to talk to her I'll certainly post about it on my TR when I return home with her pic I hope.

Sounds like good stuff Bleau.
Things may get really interesting if you get the agencies name. 
 
GOB

[Faux Pas]

Well, I can agree with you that there are some hard headed guys who don't want to listen.  I do think it would not take 10 years for even the worst of the lot to figure out that if they are using a bad agency there are better options.  When someone doesn't particpate in a forum the only educational material they see is the highly advertised websites of the worst agencys.

I was being a bit facetious there Turbo.     I do believe all who find the forums are better for it. They at least are exposed to some good information and one would hope that they have at least enough sense to give it pause for thought. Unfortunately, some that find the forums do not. I don't know if it is because they don't have the capability for rational thought or just plain hard headed. Many of those are unable to successfully date locally and the reason they look East in the first place. IMO

[Misha]

I wager that before his epiphany he would have argued that the women were real, that yes they all loved him and that the agencies were all legitimate and as pure as freshly fallen snow....

[Misha]

If he were he would not have wasted so much time and money.

Men are pretty adept at deluding themselves and pursuing irrational behavior even they are on a forum...

[Jumper]

Interesting about the agencies. My lady in Ukraine told me there is a girl that owns a shop, near her shop,  told her she works for an agency and all she does is date the men and is not interested in any kind of relationship and has a Russian boy friend.
The girl told her she sees only a couple of letters from the men but is more or less briefed by the agency before the guy arrives to meet her.
I asked her if I could meet this girl and she said certainly. If I do and more or less get to talk to her I'll certainly post about it on my TR when I return home with her pic I hope. This girl doesn't know about "me" so this could be interesting.
You hear that..."owns her own shop"...only sees a couple  letters... briefed by the agency...
I've never dealt with a paying agency so does this...sees only a couple of the letters but briefed by the agency sound truthful?

truthful?
 it sounds completely normal.
in fact if that's the extent of it, entirely tame.
In fact i'd find it so very routine as to be a bit unfair to *out her* individually and specifically with a photo.. as likely a huge percentage at the same agency are doing the exact same thing, just post the agency as far more *fair warning*,and more accurate warning  to those in this pursuit.


If Roger was using a typical agency in the FSU,
and insisting on not changing course, i can easily see him meeting 8 women and coming up empty handed?
He could easily meet 8 women locally and not be married.

Regardless him meeting with women *more his age* ,the odds are extremely high
 in a big agency there that the women  are paid to correspond, that simple.
Recognize the reality, choose to work with it, or around it, or take an entirely different approach- Or be like Roger and keep doing the same thing over and over,  in an environment already stacked against you.
There are good agencies,but few and far between.


Just read the comments,within the article..
interesting..

If the

[GoodOlBoy]

In fact i'd find it so very routine as to be a bit unfair to *out her* individually and specifically with a photo.. as likely a huge percentage at the same agency are doing the exact same thing, just post the agency as far more *fair warning*,and more accurate warning  to those in this pursuit.

Ahhhh.... But some here on RWD need hard "evidence" , not just rank speculation. 

Otherwise you are accused of "talking out of your arse".
 
GOB

[Turboguy]

Men are pretty adept at deluding themselves and pursuing irrational behavior even they are on a forum...

I think there are times that no matter what someone else says you have to play it out and find out first hand.  I would think that the man in the story having played it our and learned first had all those times may have been open to some suggestions about how to go about it in a better way with more chance of success.  It doesn't say but I have a feeling he rode with one very dishonest agency from start to finish.

[LAman]

Surely this guy Roger is delusional..some excerps that caught my eye:
 
".......I thought there has to be at least one Eastern European woman who truly seeks a high quality American man for a husband."
 
"I am certain your readers would find it interesting to read a human interest story of the life of a professional dater. I have a lot of tips for how they can be more successful."
 
If you strike out at home, you certainly will be no better off in FSU. I have seen many that have 'no life' or 'lonely' that end up as Roger. Maybe the girl he searches for isn't on earth.



 


 

[Turboguy]

If you strike out at home, you certainly will be no better off in FSU. I have seen many that have 'no life' or 'lonely' that end up as Roger. Maybe the girl he searches for isn't on earth.  

Well we have discussed finding RW in America.  Are you suggesting we start a topic, Finding RW in Mars?    Or maybe Finding RW in the afterlife?