Can you imagine meeting a Non-materialistic girl?

[planetusa]

Yes, it is true! I did. Unfortunately, while she did not want my money, she had many family / financial problems that put a slight damper on our time together. BUT, she truly was a sweetheart. I was in Ukraine for 10 days, but we only met on 4 days due to her family situation. And, can you believe, she got more tear-eyed over a musical snow-globe (with Chicago skyline in it), than when i gave her a 1/2 carrat - 18K Gold "friendship" ring. I even offered her $100 American dollars, and she would not take it, even with her difficult financial situation. Unheard of in USA, WOW! The bad is, now I am back in the USA, and she is there finishing school for 1-year. I am planning on going back on March 25 for 1 week. In any case, I had a great time there, buy I highly reccommend having an interpreter if your girl does not spek English, as you will be lost there if you do not know Russian. As for the Agency I used, there were courteous and helpful, but I was dismayed to learn that some girls that are listed on the site, are paid by the agency to be listed and write / respond to emails. Many even have steady boyfriends and don't like older men. Yes, the older man / younger lady myth is alot of hype. Yes, it does happen more often in Ukraine / Russia than here, but it is not as common as the agencies would have you think. On another note, the other girl I met there (on the days my girl was tied up with family matters), was very materialistic. She wanted to see a picture of my house on the first date. So, it just goes to show, anything is possible, both goo and bad in any country. If anyone is interested in travelling to Ukraine / Russia, I will be going back from March 25 to April 3. Contact me for more info. Good luck to all in your search for a soul-mate.

[martums]

John,
What agency/agencies web sites did you use?  (Remind me to steer clear...)
~Marty

[Oosik]

Just be careful to not overspend on her, if she makes $100/month, don't go much over that in gifts. You could turn her into a materialistic girl, or at least give her false expectations.

Congrats BTW, my fiance is very non-materialistic also.

[Rvrwind]

Can you imagine meeting a Non-materialistic girl?

Yes, I can, I did & I married her!!!:D
Best move I ever made!!!
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[TigerPaws]

[color="blue"][size="4"]LoL,

 I must have been very lucky because my lady could care less about most of the stuff people collect, she could if she wanted have damn near anything yet she asks for very little. If I remember right the only thing of any value my lady has every asked me for was an apartment for her mother and grandmother and as it turned out that became an excellent investment. Other than that my ladies materialistic needs, wants and desires have been for the most part a non-issue.

  It is not that she does not know she can have what she wants it is that those things are simply not important to her.
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[planetusa]

Well said TigerPaws. I will add more comments on my experiences in another post. But yes, material things just don't concern many Ukranian / Russian women. I think many American guys fall into the routine that we know from USA women. BUY BUY BUY, WINE, DINE, DIAMONDS, MORE DIAMONDS, ETC ETC ETC.... Before you know it, we've spent a boat on a lady that has us hooked around her finger.... In Ukraine, many women even get offended by expensive items.... On the other hand, like any country, you do have some women in Ukraine and Russia who are materialistic, as many have become westernized or Americanized..... Sometimes it is hard to seperate the good from the bad, so communication via letters and phone usually help to weed out many of the gold diggers.... Like you, I would buy my woman anything...Thing is, most women from Eastern European countries just don't care about that stuff....

[al-c]

She sounds like a keeper.

As for the agency, that happens all too often, but I assume you have her contact info so you can bypass the agency now.

Need an interpreter to communicate with her?  I find that many of the agency interpreters are willing to work on the side for private clients.  Do either of you have personal contact data for any of them?

 

[Rvrwind]

My wife gets more exited over a bunch of flowers I buy her just as a surprise than she did when I bought her a new winter coat. Seems the little things are far more important & a special surprise 'just because' tops them all.

Valya is far from materialistic, but I like to buy her little things now & again just to surprise her. The payback is welllllllllll worth the expendature, LOL.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Albert]

This is another one of those 'fable' stories about how FSU women are different than AW.

Women are women the world over.  Some are materialistic and some are not.  Tremendous variance from gal to gal in any country.  No tendencies in any one country.

Surely all the horror stories you can read here about gold digging FSU women, Green card b!tches, etc., will set you straight that many FSU women are as materialistic as one could ever imagine.

[Zhena]

Just be careful to not overspend on her, if she makes $100/month, don't go much over that in gifts. You could turn her into a materialistic girl, or at least give her false expectations.

Congrats BTW, my fiance is very non-materialistic also.

:D:D

[TigerPaws]

[color="#0000ff"][size="4"]LoL,

[/size][/color]   [color="#0000ff"][size="4"] Not to many shops here at the Harbor  Island Marina in the eastern Bahamas, so my lady made me a wonderful breakfast  and gave me a card she had hidden away. I of course was able to truly surprise  her with a new waterproof dress watch and a nice card, of course tonight we will  be having fresh Lobster which I will cook over the transom grill which I caught  fresh last night.

[/size][/color]   [color="#0000ff"][size="4"] Hehe what my lady does not know is  that I have hidden away a new dress she was looking at when we were in Nassau  which she will receive just before I put the Lobster on the BBQ  tonight.[/size][/color]

[Todd]

Kate actually teases me.  My studio apartment in Cambridge, Ma is actually smaller than her apartment back in Minsk.  Also, I don't even own a car.  So, if she were materialistic, she was definitely barking up the wrong tree.

[mischief]

There are deferent degrees of materialism… If people don't make worldly possessions the highest value in life and don't go out of their way, by any means, to own something - they are just healthy materialistic… I have never met true non materialistic or altruistic (for that matter) person…   these are just conceptions in the dictionary and politically correct terms to use… To be healthy materialistic as well as selfish is normal… it motivates you to go forward, to develop, to achieve something or sometimes to survive…

Materialism is a driving force to work hard, to create new, etc..

 

FSU women who look for or consider relations with American men are more materialistically motivated than the others.  And there is nothing wrong with that.  Everybody wants to improve their position, and living in the countries like USA is one way to do it…

If you'd say: "Stuff doesn't matter"… the answer you'd get: "Give me the stuff and I'll tell you!"  Everybody wants stuff… it depends on social class what stuff you want… some dream just about nice clothes, some dream about diamonds, some about villas and yachts…

[TigerPaws]

[size="3"][size="4"]If you'd say: "Stuff doesn't matter"… the answer you'd get: "Give me the stuff and I'll tell you!"  Everybody wants stuff… it depends on social class what stuff you want… some dream just about nice clothes, some dream about diamonds, some about villas and yachts…[/size][/i]
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mischief,

 I am going to disagree, some of us have come to understand that the "stuff" most of us collect is not what matters in this life, it is the memories you build today and the life you lead. The "stuff' you thought was so important will simply be someone elses junk when you are dead and gone.[/size][/color][/size][/font]

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 Life should NOT be a  journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and  well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Champagne in one hand -  strawberries in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and  screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride![/size][/color]

[LTS]

 Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride!

Now that, my dear friends, is a quote to remember!!

[mischief]

 Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways - Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other - body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming - WOO HOO! What a Ride!

Now that, my dear friends, is a quote to remember!![/quote]
 

It's a great quote ... the author is Hunter S. Thompson ... TigerPaws just added strawberries and champagne...

[mischief]

some of us have come to understand that the "stuff" most of us collect is not what matters in this life

somehow it reminds me a pastor who preaches about the spiritual values over material but at the same time owns a million- dollars- house in a fancy neighborhood... (No offence!)

[Leslie]

"Can you imagine meeting a Non-materialistic (FSU) girl?"

No - I don't think a non-materialistic woman exists in  ANY culture and you will certainly never meet one via an agency or dating website.

The women who participate in this endeavour have already decided they want a better life.  They did that when they made photo sets and registered with an agency (or posted a profile on the Internet).  They want that better life bad enough to consider leaving their family, friends and culture behind to go live in a foreign country with a virtual stranger....

Of course materialism has nothing to do with this decision.  :cool:

It is all down to mad romantic love built over a couple of weeks of vacation time, a bunch of translated e-mails and a few phone calls.  Hey bald, fat and over forty is the GQ pin up for these women!

Any guys here looking to marry a 100kg (220 lb) Babushka ?   

Just about the same number of  FSU woman are looking to marry an unemployed guy who lives in a rented trailer ! 

NONE.

Looks and money are not Nominal variables (Nominal means named e.g. ON/OFF - like a light) they are Ordinal (i.e. Ordered values from low to high but no regular scale) 

You can't take looks or money out of a relationship.  Reality is a matter of degree.   I have found FSU women to be more materialistic on their appearance than western women. My wife will not leave the house unless she is well dressed.  She derides the fat slovenly UK women who take little care of their appearance.  On the other hand driving around in a latest registration (new) car means nothing.  My sister would not be seen dead in a car that was more than 2 years old.  Mischief is correct (as usual!)  Different women will be materialistic about different things and to a greater or lesser degree.  Just like women everywhere ! 

Extremes of either factor are to be avoided but quite often in this game they come together. 

Young beautiful woman marries rich, old generous guy.   

The guy is often such a buffoon he reckons the woman has married him for love !:huh:

 

[TigerPaws]

Young beautiful woman marries rich, old generous guy.   

The guy is often such a buffoon he reckons the woman has married him for love !:huh:

 

Leslie,

 It might be helpful if you were more specific in what in your opinion of what a rich older guy is, my wife and I have a 19 year age difference and I am reasonably well off. We have been married for almost 6 years now and together for 7 years, our relationship is stronger now than when we met, so am I a buffoon for marring a younger very attractive woman?

[Leslie]

Tiger,

I meant no personal comment on you or your relationship.  I have a similar age difference with my wife.

I have no illusions about why my wife chose to marry me.  She wanted a better life.  She did not want to struggle on in poverty like so many of her friends.  She would definitely prefer me to be 15 years younger but she compromised like all of us have to do.  I provided the better life and like you my marriage is doing fine.

I ask myself the question would my wife stick around if I was jailed and bankrupted?

I want to believe she would stay with me but know deep down she is a survivor.

The buffoon is the guy who believes that money plays no role in this type of relationship.....

 

[TigerPaws]

Leslie,

 I believe we are in agreement on this issue in many ways, maybe what we sometimes have is a failure to communicate and understand each other. No offence taken.

 

[Bruno]

The guy is often such a buffoon he reckons the woman has married him for love !:huh:

I think that "love" is a complex mix of several parameter : financial, physic, mind, character...

If one men is almost at zero % in one of these, the other need to be very high... a poor man can find a young sexy women if he is like Adonis, with the brain of Einstein and the character of a saint...

And i use only 4 parameter, more exist... love is a complex feeling who is not only connected to the financial aspect...

 

 

[bbernard]

The buffoon is the guy who believes that money plays no role in this type of relationship.....

 

Leslie,

I concur with your statement... I also agree with mischief that we are all materialistic to a certain degree but the materialism in all of us is as different as night is to day! For some it's healthy for others damning. I think "wanting a better life" is something we have all felt and shared at some point in our lives even if you are content now I am sure everyone of us can think back to a time when we wanted something better in our lives. I also believe that most FSU women who seek that life abroad are looking for similar attributes in men! Financial stability, caring & generous are some that come to mind. Like you, I feel that its the extremes that are to be avoided...

bbernard

[Albert]

Leslie said:  I ask myself the question would my wife stick around if I was jailed and bankrupted?  I want to believe she would stay with me but know deep down she is a survivor.

- - - - -

I asked my gal if she would still love me if I lost all of my money.

She said: "Yes . . . .  and I would really miss you too!"

[2tallbill]

This is another one of those 'fable' stories about how FSU women are different than AW.

Women are women the world over.  Some are materialistic and some are not.  Tremendous variance from gal to gal in any country.  No tendencies in any one country.

This is pretty much true. You can find every type of creature in the FSU. I've met girls who
could sing like angels along with one who makes the neighbors dog cry when they sing.
They have all types both good and bad in the FSU. The only generalization is that you
shouldn't generalize.

Figure out what you want, then make a plan to find a girl with what you want.

Udachi!

Bill