Hello and a few questions

[Jack]

 
Hey, if he is considering between going on one of my tours or Edwards service, even though Edward's service will be more expensive and he wouldn't meet nearly as many women, theirs no comparison.       
 
Van, you would want to sign-up with Edwards service.  He will introduce you to up to five women, usually three to five women, these are his words. And he will have you a wife within a few months.  And although I thought I was good,  listen, the man says he has 34 or 35 marriages (although I think he has at most 2) and NOT ONE DIVORCE.   NOT ONE!       This is unbelievable. Well to tell you the truth I don't believe it, but then I don't believe a lot of what eduard says as I have caught him in several distortions, but for those who do believe eduard, let me tell you, anyone who can put together 35 marriages and not a single divorce is without a doubt the worlds greatest matchmaker.  Ripley's should be told of this.       
 
 
In America were right around the 50% mark for marriages that end in divorce. That figure might even be a little higher now.  About the same in Russia and Ukraine.  And here we have a matchmaker who has a 100% success rate, not a single divorce, 35 for 35, and with only meeting up to five ladies.    Van, if your one who believes those statements let me save you the problem of trying to figure who to go with, their is no comparison.   You got to go with knowing you will have your wife within a few months and only meeting up to five ladies and with a staying marriage rate of 100%.
 
 

[Gator]

Jack,
 
Good story!
 
 
 

[Jack]

It's not a story Gator.
 
 
eduard has written of his 34 or 35 marriages not one has ended in divorce. eduard still says he will introduce each client to between 3 and 5 ladies. And eduard again wrote just last week that with him his clients will find a wife within a few months.   
 
 
I know you must think it's a story and I'm making this up but these are eduards actual words.  I don't believe it, I'm really surprised turbo does but he must.  And as you know eduard why not ask him yourself if he has not made each of these statements above this year.   
 
 
If you do ask him Gator let us know what he tell's you, ok?

[Gator]

It's not a story Gator.
 

LOL.  I was commenting about Bob, not Eduard.  You posted after I opened the thread and read Bob's story.
 
Eduard?  Who knows.  I have met him twice in social settings and he seems a decent man.

[Gator]

Van,   
 
Some have mentioned your confidence, or lack thereof.  I don't see a problem with confidence.  Anyone who posts his photo here and admits upfront to never having a serious relationship is certainly well adjusted.   
 
 
Maybe it is not confidence but simply you don't have the experience to walk up to a woman, look her in the eye, initiate a conversation, and somehow connect.  How do we help you deal with that?  I don't know other than keep going to bat.
 
You save 33% of your income, and I find that remarkable.  You certainly know the value of a budget.   I suggest that you  develop a budget for undertaking and completing this venture.  That will help you decide how to get the biggest bang for your money.
 
When corresponding with RW and AW, please don't volunteer that you have never had a serious relationship.  Dodge the question.

[GQBlues]

My post wasn't really about whether Eduard should pitch in his line on Van. I'm just taken aback considering part of the reason why Eduard got heavy handed here not too long ago was his propensity to solicit his services openly, which I thought wasn't condoned at all.
 
In any case...
 

....I think if he went on one or two of Jack's tours his luck with American women would even be a hundred times better than it is now.  He will realize that he is a desirable guy with lots to offer a woman and his confidence level will make a dramatic change....

 
 
Are confident enough about that statement TG that you'd be willing to put your money where your mouth is?    Would you be willng to reimburse Van a 100% if his experience didn't happen as stated? Better yet, would you finance it outright, and if things happen as stated, then Van can pay you back the cost?
 
Ah heck, if Jack is so confident of himself, maybe HE can put his money where his mouth is...

[Turboguy]

Are confident enough about that statement TG that you'd be willing to put your money where your mouth is?    Would you be willng to reimburse Van a 100% if his experience didn't happen as stated? Better yet, would you finance it outright, and if things happen as stated, then Van can pay you back the cost?
 

Yes, and no GQ.   I would be really stupid to put my money where my mouth is in the way you suggest.   I pay for his trip and if it goes the way I suggest I get my money back.  At worst I lose and at best I don't gain.
 
I will tell you what I will do however.  If Van decides to go on one of Jack's tours I will bet you $ 200.00 that it does go the way I expect.  My condition on this would be that a neutral third party holds the money from both of us before the trip.  So, GQ, are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?  I am serious but the money does have to be help by someone independent. 

[GQBlues]

Yes, and no GQ.   I would be really stupid to put my money where my mouth is in the way you suggest.   I pay for his trip and if it goes the way I suggest I get my money back.  At worst I lose and at best I don't gain.

Nice try TG. It isn't about 'you'. I had a feeling you won't stand behind your statement.
 

I will tell you what I will do however.  If Van decides to go on one of Jack's tours I will bet you $ 200.00 that it does go the way I expect.

Like I said, if you're so confident, then put your money where your mouth is. I am not the one promoting he ought to take anyone's services, you are. So the onus is on you...
 

My condition on this would be that a neutral third party holds the money from both of us before the trip.

There's no condition TG. You made the statement, then stand behind it. At best, Van wins, you win, Jack wins. If not, Van wins (for the experience) and both you and Jack can put this silly talk about tours, *BOB*, etc...to rest.
 

[Turboguy]

GQ, Like I said, I might be stupid but not that stupid.  I think Jack's tour would do wonders for Van and I will talk more about that in a minute. 
 
Your proposition reminds me of a joke someone pulled a few decades ago.  In my previous business life, I had a handful of salesmen.  We were out visiting a manufacturer in Springfield IL and they took us to a really nice restaurant.  One of my salesmen was a pint sized jokester and another was a giant sized alpha mall, with more balls than brains, both were nice guys however.  Mark, the Jokester looked at the wine menu and said to Sam the tall one, Look a this Sam, they list a bottle of wine for $ 1200.00.  I will bet that is just for advertising and they don't really have it.  Sam said, I am sure they have it, they would not put it on the menu if they didn't.  Mark said, I will be you they don't.  Let's order the wine.  If they don't have it, I will pay for that bottle of wine, If they do have it you pay for the bottle of wine.  Sam was there saying things like, oh, I think they have it but I can't afford to pay that much for a bottle of wine.  He never picked up on the fact that it was a lose, lose bet.  Mark would pay for the bottle of wine if they didn't have it but of course if they didn't have it they couldn't charge anything.  Sam was the only one that could lose with that bet.  Sorry GQ, I am willing to put my money where my mouth is but Van is a nice guy but not my favorite charity and I am sure he is not looking for charity.
 
I do think Jack's trip could do wonders for Van.  Personally I think that one of the key things to success with women is confidence.  I also think just like golf or baseball or most anything, the more practice you have the better you will do.  I have been on Jack's tour and one of my observations was that talking at length to so many women was that it is something that helps both build your confidence and hone your technique. 
 
Since Eduard was mentioned I think Eduard's services could also benefit Van.  I think for Van one thing that Eduard's services could do is that Eduard would be there and could give Van some dating tips.  I could see Eduard's saying things like, Van, when you are talking to these ladies you are looking off to the side.  You need to make eye contact and don't tell them you have never had a relationship, they don't need to know that. 
 
Personally if I were to make one recommendation to most guys it would be Elena's models.  In Van's case that would be my third choice.  I think the best thing Van could do is one of Jack's tours.  I really think that will be life changing for him and it is what he really should do.  My second choice would be Eduard for the reasons I mentioned about but I do think what Van needs the most is confidence and experience and he will get that more with Jack than with Eduard.

[GQBlues]

GQ, Like I said, I might be stupid but not that stupid.  I think Jack's tour would do wonders for Van....blah, BOB, blah, blah...

...so you're not really confident about Jack's tour! Period. Not one iota.
 
That's fine. That's all folks really need to know, TG.

[Turboguy]

I am confident enough to be willing to bet you $ 200.00 as I mentioned before.  There is no logic to what you suggested. 

[Gator]

GQ,
 
What you proposed is not a wager.  There is no risk-reward.   There is no reward for Turbo other than confirmation that he is correct; however, he already knows he is right.    Maybe you would be willing to sell Turbo a CDS (credit default swap) about this outcome. 
 
Two facts.  You and I never went on Jack's tour; Turbo did.  Van is starkly different from you and me.   That does not mean he will fail even though you and I would not bet on his success at this point in time. 

[GQBlues]

GQ,
 
What you proposed is not a wager.  There is no risk-reward.   There is no reward for Turbo other than confirmation that he is correct; however, he already knows he is right....

Correct on two counts. The last one remains to be seen.

Two facts.  You and I never went on Jack's tour; Turbo did.  Van is starkly different from you and me.   That does not mean he will fail even though you and I would not bet on his success at this point in time.

Correct on the first, second one is speculative. Every chance, on every guy, TG goes out and promote men to go on tours because *BOB* before them did.
 
If he is so confident Van will find what he seek on Jack's tour, then back it up. That's all I'm saying. If not, STFU.

[Turboguy]

I think Gator worded it perfectly.  I will tell you what GQ.  Why don't you give me your best stock recommendation, then buy it for me.  If it goes up I keep the profit and send you your money back.  If it goes down, then I sell it and keep the money.  It would give you the opportunity to show how right you can be.
 
I offered to back up my recomendation with cold hard cash but only on a win-lose basis.  A lose-lose basis makes no sense.
 
I don't know Bob.  My suggestion was based on my own personal experience of having done one of Jack's tours which I think has the capability of doing exactly what I said.
 
 

[Patagonie]

From Turboguy :
"I do think Jack's trip could do wonders for Van.  Personally I think that one of the key things to success with women is confidence.  I also think just like golf or baseball or most anything, the more practice you have the better you will do.  I have been on Jack's tour and one of my observations was that talking at length to so many women was that it is something that helps both build your confidence and hone your technique."
+1
There are also specials training lessons to meet and date girls.
This guy is having huge improvement. Who can say it's impossible to reach a goal ???? He proves that he is on the right road.
Talking to girls, be more social, he can begin at home, everywhere, at anytime, and find all ressources needed locally. And for not a big price. I don't remember who said that FSU is not a country to excuse guys who have socials problems, or lack in social. He is absolutely RIGHT. So i think like you that he should have to work on it. I don't see in him, i mean about his appearence which prevent him. I can even say that, from his photo, he has not at all any handicap.
So Van you are performing well. Take vacation with Jack (use it like vacation), ENJOY, and begin to work in the social area. Anyway you are improving your life, even if FSU don't become your bride.
Pat

[GQBlues]

I think Gator worded it perfectly.  I will tell you what GQ.  Why don't you give me your best stock recommendation, then buy it for me.  If it goes up I keep the profit and send you your money back.  If it goes down, then I sell it and keep the money.  It would give you the opportunity to show how right you can be.
 
I offered to back up my recomendation with cold hard cash but only on a win-lose basis.  A lose-lose basis makes no sense.
 
I don't know Bob.  My suggestion was based on my own personal experience of having done one of Jack's tours which I think has the capability of doing exactly what I said.

This has nothing to do with the S&P, NYSE or whatever you want to hide behind now, TG. This has solely to do with your statement.
 
Back that crap up and if you can't, give it a rest.
 
Gator's statement wasn't perfect because the fact is, you didn't meet your wife on any of the tours you attended, not even on Jack's. $30,000.00+/- down the drain? Maybe more?
 
Or, maybe you simply GOT LAID a few times and that was what your intentions were by going on those tours, yes? If you're implying that's what it's good for, then by golly, say so...
 
If you didn't even get laid, and didn't find your wife, then chrissakes what are you actually promoting here? GFE for an ego boost? Van is on a search to build a family - not to boost his ego or to get laid halfway across the globe, or whatever else the saga of the legendary turned-raging Romeo BOB, the banker did..
 
So please, stand behind YOUR statement and put your money where your mouth is! If you can't, STFU.

[vwrw]

GQB, If you are so confident that Turbo is wrong, then put your money where your mouth is. Would you be willing to sponsor Van"s experience to prove that you are right and Turbo is wrong? Finance Van and we all will know whose confidence is false, yours or Turbo"s.
Back your crap up or give it a rest.

[GQBlues]

GQB, If you are so confident that Turbo is wrong, then put your money where your mouth is. Would you be willing to sponsor Van"s experience to prove that you are right that Turbo is wrong? Finance Van and we all will know whose confidence is false, yours or Turbo"s.
Back your crap up or give it a rest.

Just like hubby, you two are now sideswiping the issue. The issue is your hubby made a statement I am asking him to back-up. If you can't understand that, then have him or someone explain that to you, OK?
 
If you or TG is so convinced Jack's tours is exactly what Van needs in his life right now...then read what I have been asking TG to do. If not, STFU.

[Turboguy]

Just like hubby, you two are now sideswiping the issue. The issue is your hubby made a statement I am asking him to back-up. If you can't understand that, then have him or someone explain that to you, OK?
 
If you or TG is so convinced Jack's tours is exactly what Van needs in his life right now...then read what I have been asking TG to do. If not, STFU.

I have already backed up my belief in Jack's tours once.  I took my son along and paid his way.  As Gator said I know that what I am saying is correct and I don't need to prove it to you or to anyone.  I don't know any more about Van than you do and would be stupid to put my money up to prove anything.
 
For the record, I did not get laid on Jack's tour and it wasn't the intention.  Yes, I probably did spend 30 grand on tours between the three European Connections tours and the two follow up trips I made for them and paying my way and my son's way on Jack's tour. 
 
As I said, I am willing to back up my convictions with a $ 200.00 bet as long as the money is held by an independent party (Gator would be a good choice) and both of us pay upfront.  If you are so convinced I am wrong why won't you put your money on it?   I am willing to back my crap up GQ. 
 

If not, STFU.

Please don't talk to my wife that way GQ. 
 
VWRW, thanks for the support.
 
 

[Jumper]

GQ-
The last time i checked, nothing here required men or women of RWD to back up what they feel is good advise for someone, with cash.

This isn't a lay out your cash or STFU scenario,
or you would also need  to pay to post any advice.

Seriously Matt,it's not often you have me shaking my head, but today..

If i feel, from my own experiences ,
that asking the  flower shop girl out ,  is the best way for Van to meet his wife,  I can post that silly advice, without  some other member  insisting of my need to pay for the mans  trip ,or else to STFU.

Your basic premise in the context of a forum is flawed ,
 and you need to back away from this train of thought or look closely in the mirror at why exactly you bring it up now, when you have not in each and every case of advice  offered.

The  forum is for an exchange of information,
not a place where whoever is willing to fund their advice gets to speak with some perceived authority based on their willingness to pay..
, while others remain silent.



 

[vwrw]

GQB, You also have made plenty of statements that  I am asking you back-up.If you can't understand that, then have someone explain that to you, OK? if you cannot finance empirical confirmations of your statements, then STFU (whatever it means).

[GQBlues]

I have already backed up my belief in Jack's tours once.  I took my son along and paid his way.  As Gator said I know that what I am saying is correct and I don't need to prove it to you or to anyone.  I don't know any more about Van than you do and would be stupid to put my money up to prove anything.

Did your son got married, or got laid as a result of Jack's tour/s? Yes or no..
 

For the record, I did not get laid on Jack's tour and it wasn't the intention.  Yes, I probably did spend 30 grand on tours between the three European Connections tours and the two follow up trips I made for them and paying my way and my son's way on Jack's tour.

 
So you didn't get laid and you didn't find a wife after sooo many tours and so much money. Relatively more than Van's annual salary, YET you are recommending him to do exactly this? How does that make any sense?
 

As I said, I am willing to back up my convictions with a $ 200.00 bet...

Is this ADD on display? This wasn't about me or any wager, TG. Stay with me on this, man.
 

Please don't talk to my wife that way GQ.

Noted. Apology rendered.

 

[Kuna]

GQB, You also have made plenty of statements that  I am asking you back-up.If you can't understand that, then have someone explain that to you, OK? if you cannot finance empirical confirmations of your statements, then STFU (whatever it means).

vwrw... this post should be over in the cursing women thread...   

Mods... would you mind moving it over... it's getting confusing????

 

[GQBlues]

GQ-
The last time i checked, nothing here required men or women of RWD to back up what they feel is good advise for someone, with cash.

This isn't a lay out your cash or STFU scenario,
or you would also need  to pay to post any advice.

Seriously Matt,it's not often you have me shaking my head, but today..

If i feel, from my own experiences ,
that asking the  flower shop girl out ,  is the best way for Van to meet his wife,  I can post that silly advice, without  some other member  insisting of my need to pay for the mans  trip ,or else to STFU.

Your basic premise in the context of a forum is flawed ,
 and you need to back away from this train of thought or look closely in the mirror at why exactly you bring it up now, when you have not in each and every case of advice  offered.

The  forum is for an exchange of information,
not a place where whoever is willing to fund their advice gets to speak with some perceived authority based on their willingness to pay..
, while others remain silent.

First, let's get ONE thing straight here. There's a HUGE difference between suggesting from recommending. At least for me anyway.
 
Unless I am mistaken, and please tell me if so, RWD folks are here to 'guide' others in making the correct choice/s in their journey, yes?
 
Now, how can anyone (TG) recommend to someone (Van) do something (tour) that he himself know DID NOT yield a result that certain person was aspiring to achieve? Would you recommend anything to anyone that didn't work?
 
If that somehow makes sense to you, AJ, dude let's happily differ, eh?
 
This isn't about walking into your neighborhood flower shop and talking to a girl. This is about recommending something to someone spend roughly 20% of his annual salary as a sure fire cure to his woes. Yeah, just like the legendary raging-turned Romeo BOB did before.
 
Jack seem to get a great platform to pander his biz here anytime he seem to feel like it. Is this what this whole thing is about? I realize his September fling is coming shortly here, so please someone let me know if this is simply one of those Jack's free airtime.

[Turboguy]

So GQ, according to your logic (????), when someone suggests that a new member join Elena's Models then he should pay for that persons membership to prove he was giving good advice. 
 
Did my son get married or laid?  Married no, laid, yes, twice and he said the one was the best sex of his life. 
 
I think Jumper's post was quite good and I think anyone reading this garbage would be shaking their head at what you are saying.  I agree, you need to step back for a while and get control of yourself. 
 
Yes, I spent about as much on tours as Van makes in a year.  The EC tours were a waste and I never recommend anyone to go on a big agency tour.  Jack's were very different and I do think it would be the best choice he could make.