Sending a "gift" to someone in the Ukraine

[Admin]

I think it's about time this individual be muted on the grounds of several instances of personal attacks. The appaling mishandling of the english language does not help either....

Agreed.

Done.

- Dan

[Admin]

nat i see your english hasn't`t got any better these 5 years you have been at RWD buts that's your problem
these is becoming boring 2 MH2U & I not like replying 2 ukrainian woman who have there own funny agenda being on a site like this
1 on said send a little $ 2 your woman you have been corresponding 2 for a while (not I`ve only started including your out of the blue)
 nat you tell us you is now a 30 year-old ukrainian woman & not married/no children, don`t you think this is a bit weird seeing you have been here for 5 years with all these foreign men wanting a wife plus they have plenty of $ 2 keep you happy
MH2U has now got the bone between his teeth are you really a woman or just a computer boris. im sure you will reply 2 this quickly
as you is a woman, please what other names do ukrainian woman in your part of ukraine call americans for in l`viv they call them tight-fistfull/dumbo the elephant. im sure you will 2 much reply 2 this quickly 2
MH2U     

MH2U,

You have received a Warning, and I took the unusual step of moving your status from the residual 5 penalty points to 100penalty points (the maximum). In normal circumstances, each Warning will increment the level by 20 points, but I made an exception in your case. I felt this was warranted for at least two reasons. One is, your initial warning, by me, did not include any 'point penalty.' I meant it in the sincere hope you would recognize the problem and correct it. You did not. You made further insults resulting in one of our staff issuing the standard Warning - placing you on the 'Watch List.' That did not deter you, in fact, it seems to have inspired an increasingly vitriolic bent from you. Recognizing the trend, I chose to intervene more aggressively than normal - particularly given the very pointed personalized insults toward our long-standing members you choose to sling about.

The Warning system will decrement your 'point penalty' by 5 points each day. You will remain in Muted status until your point total reaches 60 points. That will occur in 8 days time. During the time you are 'Muted' you will not be able to post and will not be able to send or receive PMs. You will then move into Moderated status and will remain there until your point penalty is decremented to 35, so you will be in Moderated status for 5 days. While in Moderated status you are able to submit posts as normal, but they will not appear in the open forum until a Moderator or Administrator individually approves them. Once you graduate from Moderated status, you will be on 'Watched' status for several more days. While on 'Watched' status there are no restrictions, though you appear on the Moderator/Admin 'radar screen' so that if you persist in poor behavior, further steps can be promptly taken. Of course, this all assumes you do nothing to receive another Warning and I would be unwilling to wager that you can successfully restrain yourself from being an insulting horse's a$$ - but I have occasionally been wrong in the past. We shall see.

- Dan

[ECOCKS]

nat i see your english hasn't`t got any better these 5 years you have been at RWD buts that's your problem
these is becoming boring 2 MH2U & I not like replying 2 ukrainian woman who have there own funny agenda being on a site like this
1 on said send a little $ 2 your woman you have been corresponding 2 for a while (not I`ve only started including your out of the blue)
 nat you tell us you is now a 30 year-old ukrainian woman & not married/no children, don`t you think this is a bit weird seeing you have been here for 5 years with all these foreign men wanting a wife plus they have plenty of $ 2 keep you happy
MH2U has now got the bone between his teeth are you really a woman or just a computer boris. im sure you will reply 2 this quickly
as you is a woman, please what other names do ukrainian woman in your part of ukraine call americans for in l`viv they call them tight-fistfull/dumbo the elephant. im sure you will 2 much reply 2 this quickly 2
MH2U     

Not exactly sure what "Muted" does to him vesus Moderation but just a couple of observations:

In this response, for instance, this guy sounds like some of the FSU men I have met over the years. Women are presented as a commodity. Maybe he's watched too many Hollywood movies featuring heavily-accented pimps? Taken, maybe? Honestly, what sort of man would work with someone like this for anything more than increasing the odds of "getting lucky" on their FSU trip?

His slap at Nat may be motivated by some slaps at his own English but "two wrongs don't..." you know.

Many of us become annoyed by the text-speak phenomenon and he's got it bad but, as I suggested, tune him out. He serves as a GREAT example of why many FSUW are motivated to look outside their own culture for men to have a real relationship that may stand the test of time.

It also illustrates clearly that the Ukrainian economy still suffers from a lack of understanding about customer motivation and psychology. While there are boards where all the AM want to talk about getting laid in Kyiv or where to find a couple of "escorts when they land in Odessa, this board isn't one of them. A businessman with any sense would have adapted their approach instead of blindly assuming that continual references to willing Ukrainian females would keep him "on-the-air" so to speak.

Good luck buddy, you reap what you sow.

[SteveOR]

 
 

before this thread takes off on another tangent, let's get it back on track and remember that RWD is not the venue for religious discussions except when directly related to the topic of FSUW.


Dave

I agree with you Dave.
 

In the U.S., it is Protestant Evangelicals who are at the forefront of protests on gay marriage and abortion.

But shouldn't the moderators have to follow the same rules?
 
 

[Boethius]

Why didn't you quote my whole post?

[Nat]

myheart2ukraine, you're very amusing, it's a pity you've been muted 

nat i see your english hasn't`t got any better these 5 years you have been at RWD buts that's your problem
these is becoming boring 2 MH2U & I not like replying 2 ukrainian woman who have there own funny agenda being on a site like this
1 on said send a little $ 2 your woman you have been corresponding 2 for a while (not I`ve only started including your out of the blue)
 nat you tell us you is now a 30 year-old ukrainian woman & not married/no children, don`t you think this is a bit weird seeing you have been here for 5 years with all these foreign men wanting a wife plus they have plenty of $ 2 keep you happy
MH2U has now got the bone between his teeth are you really a woman or just a computer boris. im sure you will reply 2 this quickly
as you is a woman, please what other names do ukrainian woman in your part of ukraine call americans for in l`viv they call them tight-fistfull/dumbo the elephant. im sure you will 2 much reply 2 this quickly 2
MH2U     

Sorry, honey, you've got "D" for your essay

[BC]

myheart2ukraine, you're very amusing, it's a pity you've been muted 

Sorry, honey, you've got "D" for your essay

And that was only a light start at the errors.

In any case errors aside, I find it quite irritating attempting to read his/her posts.  Wouldn't mind so much if there was some substance, even between the lines.

[I/O]

his/her

A little research reveals a lot but one doesn't really need to look beyond the structure of the first word (although you can figure out what they mean I guess) of their website to see the lack of education (and I don't even speak Russian fluently for crying out loud), it degenerates further if one persists in reading.

We seemingly have an aging UK citizen or resident who enjoys a drink or three shacked up part time with a Ukrainian lady very much his junior and an approximately 7 Y/O child in Western Ukraine. They've been shacked up for about 6 years according to her, yet it doesn't seem that marriage has been necessary or desirable. Certainly not a bad tactic if you don't want to reveal your part time foreign squeeze at home. Much cheaper if you can design up some way for her to support herself and perhaps you also in the process but even then, keep the business platform in your country (UK website for starters) so she can't flush you completely if it goes sour. That of course is contingent on having something to flush other than the obvious.

The synergies of duplicity improve on the economic platform as we deal in cash only (WU or moneygram) and I can't help but imagine that reduces taxation accounting costs in both resident countries. But yet we read on (if we bother to persist) and find a commentary on the lady's (whom seems quite a nice person, if a bit pumped up by his flattery) education and career history which when distilled down translates approximately to a book keeping course at technical college and some time spent as a bank clerk. 

None of that is particularly important compared to the insults directed at Nat, whom I note handled it in her usual lady like style. That was the real low point and I think Dan has exercised considerable restraint, goodness, on some sites one only needs to tell a moderator one doesn't like them to be banned (slap me). Nevertheless and notwithstanding, it hasn't taken long to draw what appears to be little more than a snake from the grass and allow him to display his integrity to potential customers, caveat emptor.

[Muzh]

As I said, it didn't take MH2U that long to make a fool out of himself.


Personally, I think he is in the wrong business with that kind of attitude. He smacks me of trying to set up a scheme where the guys, he consider old and stupid, will send a "few" dollars to these "girls." IMHO, this is a brazen Boris.

[Spoon]

The funny thing was I couldn't help read his posts without doing it in the voice of 'Ali G'.....it made it so much more entertaining!! (but that's all it did for me)

[ECOCKS]

Now that I read through a bit more of this drama, it seems MH2U is the wife rather than the expat husband/BF/whatever. No native English-speaker would talk like that. The guy apparently set her up and occasionally polishes her English but it has to be her trying to carry on like that.

It does provide an insight into how many FSU people (including the women) see themselves though. Childish and arrogant when it comes to business and women as commodities and disposable when it comes to romance and relationships. Sad, but worth noting for newbies.

[Manny]

Now that I read through a bit more of this drama, it seems MH2U is the wife rather than the expat husband/CF/whatever. No native English-speaker would talk like that. The guy apparently set her up and occasionally polishes her English but it has to be her trying to carry on like that.

Nope. MH2U is the guy. Apparently unemployed and apparently unmarried and seemingly resident. His English is typical underclass British; a product of the world of Ali G, a smattering of wannabe "gangsta", SMS speak, and our comprehensive education system. But, the root of that textual gibberish, I am ashamed to admit, was most certainly British English once. 

[Rubicon]

The guy is straight out of a Beavis and Butthead cartoon.  Except that they are more literate and entertaining.   

[Jack]

Here is what "I think".   
 
 
I think manny has hit the nail on the head.  I think the guy (Stephen) is unemployed and maybe is living with his girlfriend in Ternopil.   

When I saw him write it was ok to send money I knew what we were dealing with and that most the vet's around here were going to eat Stephen's lunch. Which they did and deservingly so.   
 
 
I "think" MH2U is not a bad guy, not a scammer, but certainly uneducated with many aspects of the pursuit for a Ukraine/Russian bride, such as it being ok to send your girl a little money or a little gift, and maybe, just maybe, he's one brick short of a full load.   
 
 
I think he wants to help generate some income for his girl and if the truth be known, it's probably not a bad idea to have Ludmila run some newspaper ads close to where she lives. Not sure of her charge but if reasonable may not be a bad investment as their is a lot of "gold", as in fine women, in this part of Ukraine who are not seeing or hearing from many foreign men.
 
 

[ECOCKS]

Maybe you guys are right but I have never met a Brit who spoke this poorly. Also, didn't someone say that he's a vet? If so, I'm horrified. I'd be embarrassed to no end (American expression) if one of our guys (or gals) who was former military talked like this.

The rejoinder to Nat is what made me look back and think it was the woman rather than the husband. If his Russian is as poor as his English how in the world could he translate for a tourist?

[Nat]

The rejoinder to Nat is what made me look back and think it was the woman rather than the husband.

Of course it's a woman, there's no doubt  It was a pathetic attempt of a cat fight 

[ECOCKS]

Of course it's a woman, there's no doubt  It was a pathetic attempt of a cat fight 

So, Nat and I have the same assessment. MH2U is the woman, not the guy. Seriously, I don't think even a poorly educated Brit would be functional if they talked like that. Even the kids who are fixated on texting are better than what we see here.

[Faux Pas]

So, Nat and I have the same assessment. MH2U is the woman, not the guy. Seriously, I don't think even a poorly educated Brit would be functional if they talked like that. Even the kids who are fixated on texting are better than what we see here.

I vote it's the guy 

[Gator]

Is transvestite among the voting options?

[Jumper]

hmm,
 
I just viewed it as an unfortunately  poor handling of a potential customer base,
and that's  kind of a shame as  the general premise of his g/f  running some local ads,with
  and them being a small business likely not in the big agency game seemed a possibility for those wanting  another avenue for meeting  more typical Ukrainian residents.
 

[nicknick]

Now that I read through a bit more of this drama, it seems MH2U is the wife rather than the expat husband/BF/whatever. No native English-speaker would talk like that.

I'm afraid not - that really is English.

And most of the slang he uses, on this site and elsewhere, is definitely British.

EDIT

Sorry, I saw that manny beat me to it in his post above

[Daveman]

Nope. MH2U is the guy. Apparently unemployed and apparently unmarried and seemingly resident. His English is typical underclass British; a product of the world of Ali G, a smattering of wannabe "gangsta", SMS speak, and our comprehensive education system. But, the root of that textual gibberish, I am ashamed to admit, was most certainly British English once. 

and

I'm afraid not - that really is English.

And most of the slang he uses, on this site and elsewhere, is definitely British.

EDIT

Sorry, I saw that manny beat me to it in his post above

That's amazing.  Now, I know there are some dialects/accents I have no hope of understanding when spoken (a former Scottish coworker comes to mind), but the written word hasn't presented itself as difficult until this thread.


Certainly my English skills could use a brush up if not a major overhaul, especially after a number of years speaking/writing Brokenglish so FSUW understand me more easily... but that borders the unintelligible. I don't disbelieve what you and Manny suggest, but it sure is surprising.

[The Natural]

That's amazing.  Now, I know there are some dialects/accents I have no hope of understanding when spoken (a former Scottish coworker comes to mind), but the written word hasn't presented itself as difficult until this thread.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM[/youtube]

[ECOCKS]

Guess we'll never know. I met quite a few Brits over the years and never met one who talked or wrote like that. As for the text-speak, this guy looked older than me but maybe literacy in the isles really has slipped that much.

Personally, I still think it is the woman due to the speech pattern, approach to potential customers and the "catty" comments to Nat. Sounds to me like a non-native, young gal wanting to try to sound hip and western as she perceives how that should sound.

Ah well, she appears to be gone now, we'll live with the question unanswered it seems.

[Daveman]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dABo_DCIdpM[/youtube]

HaH! That was entertaining!  Don't know how well he pulled off all the accents, but his Russian, French, Indian, Japanese, Chinese, and Southern Redneckenese were pretty darn close.