She is here! My 'trip' report continues

[Son of Clyde]

I had brief relationships with two women who may be described as less than beautiful. The first I had everything in common with, same taste in music, same twisted sense of humor, same interest in travel. It just never worked out because she was unhappy about personal issues I could not help her with. She married a guy and it lasted about 6 years. I am still in contact with her.

The second woman was very cute, looks like Sally Field but she suffered from depression and had mood swings. She could go from happy to sad to happy in a matter of minutes. I cared for her but could not see myself in a long term relationship, I had my own problems that I was working on. She would get angry and throw mw out of her house and ask me why I was leaving because I avoid talking about important issues. I told her " I am leaving because you threw me out." I never understood this situation and it happened whenever she was upset. 

I don't like a numbers system and I seem to have my own system of inner beauty. Most people might see the first woman as a 5 and the second woman as a 7. The first woman has had many relationships because of her great personality. The second woman people tend to shy away from because of her moodieness.

 I was always intimitaded by women who would be considered 10's and I avoided them. It seemed like very hard work to be able to have a long term relationship with women every other guy would be staring at everywhere you went.

There is no BS in the thread except for some people with a strong desire to hijack the tread with their own negativity.

[groovlstk]

C'mon guys, leave the "I would be happy to date an ugly woman as long as she's got a good personality" talk to when you hang out with your gender studies professor!

[Son of Clyde]

C'mon guys, leave the "I would be happy to date an ugly woman as long as she's got a good personality" talk to when you hang out with your gender studies professor!

Hey, this goes both ways. Imagine what the women are saying about us.

[Son of Clyde]

Sorry for this double post but I think the thread has gone on too long and the focus has changed, maybe to protect PG's feelings. PG and Dan should this thread be locked? It is your choice. We could start other threads from the other issues that were raised.

[Jack]

Guilty
 
I plead guilty and apologize for my part in taking a topic off subject.
 
I myself hate seeing a good thread taken off topic. I should have read this thread from the beginning post but I did not. I saw something recently posted, commented to the post and did not realize I was helping to take something off topic.

[Turboguy]

I guess I am off in left field.  I thought we were still on topic.  Photoguy had made a comment about inner beauty and looks not being everything or something to that effect and since some of the guys had not seen the same beauty in Dougs gal that He does and a lot of us do, to me it was still on topic.

[Son of Clyde]

Turbo,

I guess I see so many tangents this thread has taken that all may relate to PG's initial post.

[PeeWee]

[user=130]Son of Clyde[/user] wrote:

C'mon guys, leave the "I would be happy to date an ugly woman as long as she's got a good personality" talk to when you hang out with your gender studies professor!

Hey, this goes both ways. Imagine what the women are saying about us.

I still believe that a woman is more centered toward inner beauty than we guys are. We are all about outer beauty. So what women saw about us is not the same as what we saw about them. Go to Las Vegas some time. Only because there are a large number of couples there. I was there with a friend of mine a while back. She commented, "Did you notice how many average looking guys there seems to be with great looking women?"  I didn't notice it until she brought it to my attention, but she was right. Women accept different things in men than men do in women.

peewee

[David1963]

Go to Las Vegas some time. Only because there are a large number of couples there. I was there with a friend of mine a while back. She commented, "Did you notice how many average looking guys there seems to be with great looking women?"  I didn't notice it until she brought it to my attention, but she was right. Women accept different things in men than men do in women.

peewee


Those were the guys with prositutes or they were bringing their mistresses to Vegas and left the wife home with the kids. 

Maybe these were men with money who could afford the beautiful women.  In most normal cities is the men a few points better than the woman.

 

[PeeWee]

[user=681]David1963[/user] wrote:

Go to Las Vegas some time. Only because there are a large number of couples there. I was there with a friend of mine a while back. She commented, "Did you notice how many average looking guys there seems to be with great looking women?"  I didn't notice it until she brought it to my attention, but she was right. Women accept different things in men than men do in women.

peewee


Those were the guys with prositutes or they were bringing their mistresses to Vegas and left the wife home with the kids. 

Maybe these were men with money who could afford the beautiful women.  In most normal cities is the men a few points better than the woman.

 

That is what I was thinking but I did not tell her what I thought. What  you are suggesting is that a man with money, regardless of how he appears, can have the proverbial "10"? Women are attracted to power and money. That is true. It would seem then, that if I agree with you, that a rich man will have the best looking women. What does that say about women in general?

Peewee

Peewee

[David1963]

That is what I was thinking but I did not tell her what I thought. What  you are suggesting is that a man with money, regardless of how he appears, can have the proverbial "10"? Women are attracted to power and money. That is true. It would seem then, that if I agree with you, that a rich man will have the best looking women. What does that say about women in general?

Peewee

Peewee

Not all women but I find that most AW are more interested in a mans money and what he can to for them rather than other attributes.

When I walk through the stores during the day I see many beautiful women, the ones that don't have to work.  On the weekends I see the other types of women.  Some is true about women jogging or walking during the day.

 

[corp]

[user=57]PeeWee[/user] I still believe that a woman is more centered toward inner beauty than we guys are. We are all about outer beauty. So what women saw about us is not the same as what we saw about them. Go to Las Vegas some time. Only because there are a large number of couples there. I was there with a friend of mine a while back. She commented, "Did you notice how many average looking guys there seems to be with great looking women?" I didn't notice it until she brought it to my attention, but she was right. Women accept different things in men than men do in women.

peewee
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I am trying to think of another city where more gold-digging woman might be on the arm of a guy that "except for the money", could not get a date.

I hardly think Vegas is an example of anything typical

[andrewfi]

[user=681]David1963[/user] wrote:
Not all women but I find that most AW are more interested in a mans money and what he can to for them rather than other attributes.



And what evidence do you have that Russian women are not?

generous man, financially well secure, well off,

And what do the women who post here tell us: Good 'middle class' American man, able to give me a normal car and 'ordinary vacations'

What are they telling you?

If they were not seeking economic betterment why would they even look at you guys?

Be realsitic, accept that this is so and work with it. There is nothing wrong with the attitude, there is everything wrong with its denial by men and women.

 

[corp]

I would have to offer another opinion actually opposite of David1963,
I think because of Feminism to many AW want to be and appear self sufficient.
How many personal ads have I seen where the AW woman in first line claims "I don;t need a father for my child and my job pays my bills....." (or something to that effect).
Or on first date she tells you how she is focussing on only relying on herself because the Ex screwed her over so much that now she wont depend on a man.
Right away I am turned off because she is afraid to come off as a woman who NEEDS a man.

In American ads I see that all the time! I have never seen A RW claim she does not need a father for her kid and only on great occasion do I see anyone claim to be financially stable (although I have known more than a few who were), Russian woman do not throw their independence in your face as AW do to often. It may very well be the "feminist version of RW" we will never meet in a MOB ad anyway so my example has limited relevance to AW/RW comparisons.

 I have never dated a woman who placed conditions around sex or attention, It's not because they do not exist in USA, it's because at the first hint of such attitude my interest vaporized as if I glanced her way and saw an obese woman. It never got to first base.

I am not to hard on these gold digger types although one would see a dry well if she tried to extract $$$ from me. But I can relate to the ones that arent really "gold diggers" but they will over look other flaws because of the security a guy can offer.... Here let me explain;

HAve you ever had a shot at a girl who was out of your league but as you get to know her you can sense that there is absolutely no chemistry between you but because she looks good, you keep the relationship (or evening) going?
 It's her looks and how she makes you feel to be seen with her that is enough for you to over look the emptiness between you, the lack of real personal attraction, in fact even the sex is not as good as it should be because of this lack of real interest in her as a person yet you have a hard time letting go you even become an actor as if you really are attracted to more than her pretty face.

I think this is the exact way some women get around a guy with money. They can over-look the lack of passion and real desire because of what else he can offer. He can impress her "other senses"... such as the need to feel "above average" and the feeling those expensive shoes on her feet give her.
For these type girls this is where they get "Self worth" just as a man can feel this surge of self-worth when being seen with an attractive woman.

Let's face it, ...most of us ( men and woman) are no deeper than a puddle of piss.


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[BillyB]

Corp,

A lot of men would put up with a bitchy bad attitude to sleep on those pillows. After a while it gets old if there's nothing else to the woman besides her body.

[corp]

Corp,

A lot of men would put up with a bitchy bad attitude to sleep on those pillows. After a while it gets old if there's nothing else to the woman besides her body.

Yah, I hear what you're sayin but then again....a man could be in a lot worse situations.. than to "have" to put up w/ her.

[rose]

From what I understand, many women would like to marry a wealthy men because accourding to them wealthy men achieved and succedded in their lives.  As they say, financial status reflects if a man is a looser or not, and as you understand, nobody wants to marry a looser.
The thing which not all women think about is that, in general, those men who earn good money and hold good jobs are used to rule and control at their personal life as well as at their work. That's why one of the first things ladies who married such guys need to learn is a simple phrase: "Yes, dear!"

[KenC]

Just wondering how Photodude is doing?  His first post that said Larysa was here was dated 2/10/06.  That gives them less than 25 days left on the 90 day visa.  He hasn't posted in a while either.

KenC

[corp]

Somethin tells me the mood to bare his soul got spoilt :?

[andrewfi]

rose ~ I think you are spot on. A man who is inhs 40's for example, might reasonably be expected to have attained certain things in his life. He should have fulfilled or be well on the way to fullfilling his life potential. A man who can not offer the 'standard package' or a package with enhancements is hardly a good choice for father of the family, potential, or pre-existing. This seems entirely normal and sensible to me.

Methinks that many guys who bemoan the state of their peer women are, in one visble manner or another, falling short of 'reasonable expectations' among the women that they target in their community. An oft stated benefit of seeking a foreign bride is (and I am not using my term here!) more bang for the buck -  the sentiment kinda says it all really.

Of course a woman looking at a younger guy is looking at expected potential. Education, family and career path might well be more important than house, car and lifestyle toys. I think though that most young Russian girls actively looking for forign guys for marriage are seeking guys who have already demonstrated their lifetime capabilities.

Any woman moving to another country, for marriage, and NOT expecting a substantial improvement in living standards and demonstrable 'security' in an older guy, like almost all posters here, really needs her bumps felt.

[rose]

I think though that most young Russian girls actively looking for forign guys for marriage are seeking guys who have already demonstrated their lifetime capabilities.

And not only Russian, I suppose. It is natural for all nationalities. I, for example, wouldn't want to have a husband, who will not be able to demonstrate it.

[andrewfi]

Sorry Rose, I was of course referring, in this case to any woman emigrating for the purpose of marriage. The needs are the same whatever the origin and destination when the purpose is the same.

Although it might be difficult for most guys to be adequately self analytical, one might almost use this insight as a divining rod as to real intent in a potential mate. Something like, if the situation seems too good to be true then it probably is.

[PeeWee]

[user=681]David1963[/user] wrote:

Peewee  

[PeeWee]

[user=681]David1963[/user] wrote:
Not all women but I find that most AW are more interested in a mans money and what he can to for them rather than other attributes.



And what evidence do you have that Russian women are not?

generous man, financially well secure, well off,

And what do the women who post here tell us: Good 'middle class' American man, able to give me a normal car and 'ordinary vacations'

What are they telling you?

If they were not seeking economic betterment why would they even look at you guys?

Be realsitic, accept that this is so and work with it. There is nothing wrong with the attitude, there is everything wrong with its denial by men and women.

 

True. And since this works to our advantage then you would be a fool not to take advantage of it. There are only so many reasons why a woman would leave her life, family, job, and security. Women, by and large, are very insecure creatures. They need to be in relationships to feel secure. So what's the pay off for them? They get more of what it is they crave and you are the guy who gets to get if for them. RW are not different than any women on this planet. The system is biological. Women want the man who will give them the biggest bang for their buck (pardon the pun). Since the dawn of man this has been the system. The better hunter (provider) was man that attacted a mate. The proof to this comes in the form a question. If you were a woman, who was contemplating both a family and a good life style, seek out a 28 year old physically fit male who had good hunting skills? Or would you choose a 50 year old male who was weaker, slower, and while he might have been a good hunter in his day, he now depends on other younger men to help him get food?

Time did not change women. Their basic instincts still predict their behavious. Now days hunting skills have been replaced by earning power. Usually an older male will have a better earning power than a younger male will. Which is why a woman is willing to partner with a man that is 10 years or more her senior and which is why a RW will shun an RM for an older less attractive AM.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

[user=57]PeeWee[/user] I still believe that a woman is more centered toward inner beauty than we guys are. We are all about outer beauty. So what women saw about us is not the same as what we saw about them. Go to Las Vegas some time. Only because there are a large number of couples there. I was there with a friend of mine a while back. She commented, "Did you notice how many average looking guys there seems to be with great looking women?"  I didn't notice it until she brought it to my attention, but she was right. Women accept different things in men than men do in women.

peewee

I am trying to think of another city where more gold-digging woman might be on the arm of a guy that "except for the money", could not get a date.

I hardly think Vegas is an example of anything typical

 

How about Los Angeles? How about Atlantic City? Miami? Monaco? Bangkok? Taipei? Tokyo? Manila? I can name many citys where this is true.

Peewee
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