"Why don't you just date an American woman?"

[GQBlues]

Hey, it's cold here.
 
 
We need to keep warm somehow.  

Hah! Don't laugh but I once knew a gorgeous gal from Alaska who actually lived by that sentiment. Not to get warm, per se, but reasoned she's fully covered a great deal of time all year when single so she found no need to be as ritualistic. 

[kmin]

For me it seems that many AW are not very serious about long term relationships and marriage.  Most just want to hang out and don't like the idea of being "tied down".

Thought I would try talking to women from Russian.  So far it has worked out great and hope to be traveling this winter to meet up with one I have been talking to.

[ML]

Our Lily posted this in Billy's thread:

"This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?"

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new

Are you saying AW have the same view?

[JR]

"Why don't you just date an American woman?"
A. the selection of available FSUW will be "younger"
B. the selection of available FSUW will be "hotter"
C. the selection of available FSUW will be "easier"
D. the AM does not posess the level of social skills or bait to date AW of the same calibre that he can get in the FSU.
Have I said this before?

[Lily]

You did JR, except your item D was not that developed

[brave girl]

"Why don't you just date an American woman?"
A. the selection of available FSUW will be "younger"
B. the selection of available FSUW will be "hotter"
C. the selection of available FSUW will be "easier"
D. the AM does not posess the level of social skills or bait to date AW of the same calibre that he can get in the FSU.
Have I said this before?

You forgot the most important:
 
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!! 
 
brave girl

[JR]

Is this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.

Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?

It's non-sense Lily, it is not even close to the normal behavior of AW that it's actually laughable.

[Muzh]

You forgot the most important:
 
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!! 
 
brave girl

Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
 
Thx

[JR]

Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
 
Thx

Muzh, it's a rather long running and quite boring tete a tete between myself and brave er ShallowGirl about her dilusional concepts regarding love, life the universe and everything ))

[ML]

Quote from: Lily on July 28, 2011, 01:36:24 PMIs this really a behavior of an AW? I would like to know, because as soon as I now live in Canada, I may be perceived by WM just like they perceive their usual AW.

Where can I read about how WW behave at dating?

It's non-sense Lily, it is not even close to the normal behavior of AW that it's actually laughable.

What particular reference or example are you two talking about?

[Gator]

You forgot the most important:
 
E. American man with shallow pockets can marry the most beautiful Russian girl!! 
 
brave girl

Brave Girl,
 
Welcome back!  It is good to see you again.  You have been away too long.
 
 

[Gator]

Brave girl, you mind elaborating on your point of view? I'd like to hear it.
 
Thx

Muzh, Brave Girl does not elaborate for anyone.    However, she has many posts, about as brief as this one.  If you read some of her posts you will understand her point of view.   

[JR]

You did JR, except your item D was not that developed

In a word: D = Loser.
 
He does not possess the attributes (looks, money, etc.) to attract the same level woman in his home town as he can in the FSU, or he lacks the "courage" to approach them and uses the internet to hide behind.

[kmin]

Now that I have had some more time being in a relationship with a RW and getting to know a number of RW who have married foriegn men;  There is one reoccurring theme that I am picking up from RW... 

They have a great appreciation for a "Good Man".  More than I could have ever thought possible with an AW.  In fact I have never had an AW tell me she fell in love with her man/husband because he was such a good man, yet over and over again I hear from RW that the fact her man was a "good man" is what made her want to be with him and get married.

[ML]

kmin, I wouldn't get too carried away with the particular terminology that RW use.

There is some probability that they mean something entirely different than you are attributing to their words.  It is not their native language.

It is well known that incorrect words are often used by many people and seem to live on forever.  There is the well known case of misuse of the word 'greedy' by FSU people.

[Chicagoguy]

Now that I have had some more time being in a relationship with a RW and getting to know a number of RW who have married foriegn men;  There is one reoccurring theme that I am picking up from RW... 

They have a great appreciation for a "Good Man".  More than I could have ever thought possible with an AW.  In fact I have never had an AW tell me she fell in love with her man/husband because he was such a good man, yet over and over again I hear from RW that the fact her man was a "good man" is what made her want to be with him and get married.

I do believe they say what they mean and mean what they say when referring to a "good man". As my wife explains it to me it is that  too many of the Russian men are unacceptable.

[vwrw]

Our Lily posted this in Billy's thread:

"This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?"

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg282021#new

Are you saying AW have the same view?

I know two reasons why men marry:
- they want to have children and many women would not agree to procreate if they are not married.


-men fall in love with women who want marriage for some reason. 

[happygilmore]

American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp

[Shadow]

American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp

Could you please specify the traditional values other than expecting you to be her butler ?

[Vasilisa]

I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class  AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can  cook, too. Many of them look great also.

The main difference is that they are not that direct  it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.

[Muzh]

I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class  AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can  cook, too. Many of them look great also.

The main difference is that they are not that direct  it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.

Ta da!

[kmin]

I don't know what you are talking about, guys, most middle-class  AW I have met so far look fine to me, they want to get married and have kids, they have family values and can  cook, too. Many of them look great also.

The main difference is that they are not that direct  it's harder to have a serious conversation with the one you don't know well and they are also not that desperate as they don't have that pressure of the society.

Perhaps this is just my experience; The AW are and want all the above, however it seams to me only if the guy is "right (as in near perfect)" and she feels perfect about the situation.  Once in the relationship they don't really give 100%, they will give a portion to the relationship if they feel like it.

For my experience my Russian Fiance really appreciates me and puts forth the same strong effort as I do toward the relationship, perhaps I just lucked out with her and not with the AW I have dated in the past.

[ML]

American Women have lost "Traditional' values, when I was younger men were expected to open doors and get the ladies chair.
this is the way i was raised, i try this with AW and they don't appreciate it even try to stop me at times.
I want a LADY not a tramp

Pretty far jump there.
If the woman doesn't want you to open a door for her . . . she is a tramp.

I would rather suspect that most tramps are very willing to let you open doors, etc.

[ML]

All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.

Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.

That is the  FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.

That's it folks.

All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.

[Slumba]

All this continued BS about desiring FSUW because they have 'traditional values' that AW don't.

Only two clear differences between 'average' women in each group.

That is the  FSUW are more slender than the AW and the FSUW will 'accept' a larger age gap.

That's it folks.

All the rest is hooooooeeeeeeyyyyyy.

ML, what about (I am but an FSUW beginner, have yet to make a first trip)

--level of education
--level of seriousness about life in terms of having goals and wanting children
--ability to avoid being distracted by Dancing With The Stars and similar inanities