What are the best websites I can use to correspond with women in the Ukraine???

[romeorose]

Hi Misha, that's so interesting that before I read your post about the "voice in my head" I was basically typing the same thing about a "voice in my head" you know the voice that is always saying you aren't good enough or that you will fail.

I'm not expecting anything really fast or soon. In the meantime I'm going to learn more about Ukranian women, their attitudes, what it's like to live there, just get a better understanding of them and their lifestyles there.

[brian131]

Dude...I understand where you are coming from.  I've been there.  I'm kind of going through it a little bit again now, because I am in Afghanistan on a small compound and the guy to available/interesting girl ratio is about 40 to 1.

The first thing I did when my wife left was go see a psychologist.  People feel really differently about this but her was my reasoning:

"I know that I'm not capable of thinking clearly and I can't trust my own judgment.  I'm willing to pay someone to make sure I don't !@#$ things up worse than they are already."

Best idea I ever had.  Got some good advice:

1)  Anyone interested in you while you are in this state is someone you want to avoid like the plague.
2)  Companionship is a basic human need.  Find some regularly scheduled social interaction.  It needs to be regularly scheduled...something you can absolutely count on and look forward to when things are rough.  I took a yoga class...not quite as social as it should have been but it was good enough for me because I'm kind of quiet anyway.
3) Touch is a basic human need.  That one is a little bit harder.  I found the massage schools always have cheap rates with students practicing.  Works great.  Oddly enough, there are several places here on the compounds near me in Afghanistan.  I guess the military understands it too because they have women from Kirghistan here doing $20 massages.

I also found a divorce chat group on yahoo.  It was really good to talk to people who were in the same boat as me.  I got contacted by a few women who wanted to chat or email...as long as you don't try to date them you'll find women that want to talk to a guy because they are lonely, too.  Keep it friends only and you'll be able to find someone to talk to when you are home and bored.

Once you can get to a place where you are fairly content being alone, then you can think logically. 

I set out a bunch of things I wanted to do that got halted because I got married.  I wanted to go to Prague and Romania when I graduated college but ended up getting married.  I celebrated the two year anniversary of the day she left in an Irish pub in Prague after a ten day tour of Romania.  Absolutely, undeniably the greatest day of my life.

Hang in there man.  Find a way to take care of yourself that doesn't involve a woman and you'll be on your way.  The joke I always made is that if you are leading a happy and content life, some woman is sure to come along and try to take it away from you!

[romeorose]

To the guy in the 2nd or 3rd post that said "i've never seen any place calle the ukraine on a map before"............

I just figured out what you meant by that last night!!!! hahaha!!!! I was so puzzled at first thinking what did I mispell it or something, then last night as I was watching youtube videos about Ukraine, there was one where this Ukraine girl talked for several minutes how annoying it is to hear Americans improperly call it "THE" Ukraine, I never knew until last night that it;s-just- Ukraine! hahaha! I've always heard it the other way.

I feel as though I'm alreday expanding my mind in just the short time I've been here.

[The Natural]

I have to agree with the others here, there's nothing wrong with your looks. I showed your photo to my girl here in Ukraine and asked her. She said you look normal, nothing wrong 
Work on your self/respect and self/confidence. Be yourself and if you can make a woman laugh, it's a plus.

[Darth_Budda]

Mr. Romeorose,

I think your well on your way to becoming a new man,

I know after my divorce I was devastated, But I found Talking about it helped.

Very similar to what your your doing here, I used those stupid facebook games,,,

My first wife turned Bi-Polar after she had had our first child," Her Grandmother has it"
and refused to take medicine or get help. She also had some unresolved issues from her child hood.

Now I am not gonna blame her for everything, I am just not.  She had issues.


A few Russian Women discussion.

The woman that runs Elena's Models "EM" Has a E-Book on her website you can buy. A good read even if some of the info is a little dated.

I have been using Anastasiadate.com,  It's American company based out of Maine.

Just looking phase:
I started by talking to 5-6 girls at first,,, Small talk and general background,,, This took about a year for me... may seem long to some, but I wanted to make sure I was ready, The whole divorce/custody took up a lot of time. I went from No rights as a father to Primary Medical/Education/decider in one year. I figure outright custody is the next step, the UW i am talking to agrees.

Think I found Someone cool phase:
Than I narrowed it down to one, and am trying to get to know her better right now. I would consider this the time to becomes friends and maybe more.
It's also the time to see them in person, if you manage to narrow it down. I am moving our correspondence to her local agency, As she suggested. we talk back and forth 3-4 times a week so this will be easier. Next plan is some English classes and Skype. Maybe I a can even get her to use this forum? Try to get rid of the middle man completely, This should always be done as soon as it can happen.   

I figure i go looking for 6 i will get 0. If i go looking for only 1, I will get 0-1.
YOU can always go back! I mean if you do marry a RW or UW, You should plan a trip every year anyways.

May Luck Favor us both. 

[I/O]

I wish I could suggest something favorably about looking in the FSU.

FSUW cannon fodder?

[mendeleyev]

You look fine to me, in fact better looking than me, and I enjoy a longtime marriage to the most beautiful lady in the world. On a scale of 1-10 she is a 50,000 and getting better every day! Given that we don't have a huge age difference that is quite an accomplishment on her part! So, looks are not going to hold you back, especially with the shorter hair you look very modern.

Don't believe all the agency hype and unfortunately there are far too many misleading and hyped YouTube videos as well. I'd recommend searching out those YouTube vids that focus on places and ordinary situations instead of those touting the ladies.

As to Ukraine, why not also Russia?

Ukraine is a great country, and by the way more modern than many Americans realize, hence the idea that a lady would be grateful to come live in the world's most bankrupt nation simply isn't true, no matter what the hype on YouTube says.

I will always hold a special place in my heart for Ukraine. It was there that I first visited the FSU when there was no "former" in the title. Boryspil airport at that time was primarily a military complex with only incidental civilian traffic because there was no tourist industry. Kyiv will always be special as for several years I produced the English language broadcasts of the Kyiv Symphony. But today Ukraine can be a trap for many men, especially the southern regions, because of the supposed ease of entering the country without a visa.

There are genuine and good ladies all over the FSU, Russia to Kazakhstan to Ukraine to Uzbekistan and extending to neighboring Georgia and Moldova. Don't let YouTube be your guide to finding a wife. Come explore this great part of the world for yourself. For example, Russia spans over 1/6th of the earth's surface; 51 percent of Asia lies within Russia's borders as does almost 49 percent of Europe. The world's biggest lake, larger in volume that all of the USA's Great Lakes combined, is in Russia.

Neighboring Uzbekistan is heir to the Sogdiana dynasty, one of the ancient Persian empires stretching along the Silk trade routes, Belarus is a blend of both modern and old Russia, while Kazakhstan is a unique transcontinental country offering a pleasant blend of Central Asia and Eastern Europe. The single ladies in each part of the FSU have their own unique looks and styles while sharing similarities with ladies all over the world.

Ukraine with it's ancient Greek and Turk cities is also beautiful as you've discovered online so my suggestion is to visit the region for a few weeks just as a tourist. Get a feel for Eastern Europe and Central Asia and then you can decide where to look for a life's mate.

Those are just some thoughts...

[Muzh]

You look fine to me, in fact better looking than me, and I enjoy a longtime marriage to the most beautiful lady in the world.
 

Ahem. You cannot be married to MY wife.
 
Carry on. 

[Gator]

As to Ukraine, why not also Russia?

I concur  that Russia has many, many interesting places and many, many, many women beautiful on the outside and sweet on the inside yet with the intelligence and determination to  make very productive life partners.
 
 

[Jack]

I have been using Anastasiadate.com,  It's American company based out of Maine.
 

         
 
Hey Darth_Budda, I would like to ask you a little about your experience with using AnastasiaDate.  It's always good to see someone having success with any agency.     
 
May I ask how long have you been using AD (AnastasiaDate)?   How many women have you corresponded with on AD?  Would that be just the 5 or 6 women that you mention?  How many of these women do you have their direct contact information,  i.e., their personal cell phone number, their personal email, home address?     
 
You have narrowed your choice down to one woman now.  As you mention your next plan would be for her to take English lessons I assume this means that you have never been able to communicate with her directly but only through translated emails or interpreters on three-way call's.   Do you think it is wise to proceed with providing English lessons for a woman whom you have never met?   Don't you think meeting in person would be better then after meeting if you have good feelings for her to then proceed with providing this ladies English lessons?     
 
This woman has suggested for you to use her local agency.  Have you thought about communicating directly with this woman and removing all agencies from your communications?   One thing you might suggest is to tell her to write you directly, directly to your email address and have her write you in Russian. 
 
We have some ladies, and men, on this discussion board who could translate her emails for you and the cost would probably be considerably less than what you will be paying for an agency to do so.   And when you write her back directly to her email address the same person you use here locally would have your email translated into Russian.      
 
This scenario would have you having direct contact with this lady and no agency in the middle. When this lady writes you, you send her message to your local help, they translate her letter and send to you.  When you reply to your lady write your message, send to your local help, have them translate your message to Russian, they send your message back to you and you send directly to your lady.  The person you found here locally to support you would be translating her letters after she has written to you, and after you have written back to her, so this help could be considered "on the outside" of your direct communications.
 
 

[Muzh]

         
 
Hey Darth_Budda, I would like to ask you a little about your experience with using AnastasiaDate.  It's always good to see someone having success with any agency.     
 
May I ask how long have you been using AD (AnastasiaDate)?   How many women have you corresponded with on AD?  Would that be just the 5 or 6 women that you mention?  How many of these women do you have their direct contact information,  i.e., their personal cell phone number, their personal email, home address?     
 
You have narrowed your choice down to one woman now.  As you mention your next plan would be for her to take English lessons I assume this means that you have never been able to communicate with her directly but only through translated emails or interpreters on three-way call's.   Do you think it is wise to proceed with providing English lessons for a woman whom you have never met?   Don't you think meeting in person would be better then after meeting if you have good feelings for her to then proceed with providing this ladies English lessons?     
 
This woman has suggested for you to use her local agency.  Have you thought about communicating directly with this woman and removing all agencies from your communications?   One thing you might suggest is to tell her to write you directly, directly to your email address and have her write you in Russian. 
 
We have some ladies, and men, on this discussion board who could translate her emails for you and the cost would probably be considerably less than what you will be paying for an agency to do so.   And when you write her back directly to her email address the same person you use here locally would have your email translated into Russian.    
 
This scenario would have you having direct contact with this lady and no agency in the middle. When this lady writes you, you send her message to your local help, they translate her letter and send to you.  When you reply to your lady write your message, send to your local help, have them translate your message to Russian, they send your message back to you and you send directly to your lady.  The person you found here locally to support you would be translating her letters after she has written to you, and after you have written back to her, so this help could be considered "on the outside" of your direct communications.

Darth, take that to the bank. Better than gold (@ $1750 an oz)

[Gator]

I am browsing through the girls on the elenas models website, are these girls really real girls?????? I've never seen girls this beautiful anywhere before. I mean like all of these girls are beyond being perfect 10's. they are all 11's. I mean I've looked through nearly 100 of their profiles so far and all of them look even better than famous actresses here, in my opinion anyway. Most of these photos are pro shot I can tell. I know we aren't supposed to fall in love with the photos, because make up/lighting/and photo shop is playing a part, but even still, I imagine without all that these girls would still look like a ten compared to american women. i read in a older 2006 post where someone said some of elenas models are actually prostitutes pretending to be interested, but yet in that same thread I read where one of the mods met his wife from there. I just find it odd that I haven't seen any average women yet on there, they are all dimes. But maybe they only show you the cream of the crop to get you to be a member? I haven't signed up yet. I think I am going to go ahead and go all out and get the platnium package at $500 for a year. My understanding from what I've read on here is that there are scams and liars on all the sites, but that elenas models is probably the most honest of them all, but even so just be careful and use common sense, I'm going to try it.

I had excellent results with EM. 
 
You do need to calm down.  Musicians are naturally more emotive, yet you need to proceed slowly, especially in the beginning as you have so much to learn.
 
 
There is no need to go Platinum.  I think the only advantage is that you get to see the newly listed women earlier.  For $100 (saving you $400), you get the same tools and same women.
 
Join, prepare a good profile (with shorter hair as long hair is rare in the FSU), and send a few EOIs.  based on the responses, decide you next step.  We will help you with questions, but don't identify specific women (too many crazy lurkers).

[Darth_Budda]

Hey Jack thanks for the info and advice.

1st, Been using AD for about a year. I have talked to 8-15, a few longer than others. Have not come across any that sounded like a scam, For those that would ask the question.  I only got to the point were i actually wanted or needed their personal contact info. That's the one i am talking to.
Yes I have her Email. That's about were I am now,,,

Fine print at the agency says you can only trade personal info 2 ways.
Of course they don't have it Marked everywhere.

1) You can send flowers or something, and Add your personal contact info to the card attached to the gift..
2) When you talk to them over the phone.

         
 
Don't you think meeting in person would be better then after meeting if you have good feelings for her to then proceed with providing this ladies English lessons?     
 
 

I would think Both would be a good idea. I can't go until this winter... A little bit of English lessons and meeting her. I am still feeling the idea out and she would need to have time to do it. I am getting the impression money is not the reason. She is busy with her job,,,  We have rather similar backgrounds, Kinda? Both parents still together, older siblings and small family business.I can understand the tendency to want to overachieve.

Yea, All for ending the middle man in this situation. It all takes time,,,,

  but don't identify specific women (too many crazy lurkers).

I bet that's why some girls join these agency adds a layer of comfort?

[Faux Pas]

Hey Jack thanks for the info and advice.

1st, Been using AD for about a year. I have talked to 8-15, a few longer than others. Have not come across any that sounded like a scam, For those that would ask the question.  I only got to the point were i actually wanted or needed their personal contact info. That's the one i am talking to.
Yes I have her Email. That's about were I am now,,,

Darth


How long have you been communicating with this one specific lady and how much have you spent, just on her and total with AD?

[Gator]

Darth,
 
I have a couple of issues that I want to discuss with you.
 
1.  Using the AD Agency
 
Jack is being very diplomatic.  Some others here familiar with AD would yell "SCAM."   Please recognize that there is a higher opportunity for a scam with a business model that features:
 
Pay by the letter
Agency filters all letters through its interpreter
Phone calls only through agency
Pay for English lessons
Churning your account produces more agency income
 
 
Some of these pretty girls are looking for a husband.  Some of these pretty girls are paid by the agency to churn accounts.  I hope you have met the former.  I say that because you seem like a nice young man, and don't deserved to be fleeced.
 
2.  English Lessons
 
There are many women who speak some English, enough English to have a good first meeting.  Ignoring the cost of paying for English lessons, just the fact that your woman does not speak English is a problem.  It is very difficult to connect with someone who does not speak your language.  Her English will not improve significantly between now and when you meet.  You say that you can not travel until the winter, so I assume you will not be able to take many trips in a year.   Thus, you need to focus on women with whom the limited precious time together is not hindered by lack of communication. 
 
 
What to Do?
 
Considering your photos, your age and what you have written, you should be in high demand.  If you were on EM you would be meeting many sincere women who spoke English with free unlimited video chats on Skype. 
 
My suggestion is that you continue your AD relationship but try EM.    Compare the speed and cost of getting to know the EM women vs. your AD woman.  Select women living near the AD woman and see what happens.  At worse, you will have a backup plan.
You will have fun, and it costs only $100 total.
 
 
 

[Jumper]

Budda-
i'd urge you to
listen to the above advice.
 
All of it has been very diplomatic.
 
 
From my experience in such agencies ?
ALL the women are working writing letters, or chat,
 ALL, no exceptions. (well an exception is one woman or man writing letters for 100 profiles)
 
Rail against that possibilty, accept it , or ignore it, its just my thoughts and experiences on the matter.
 
Are they single? could be? maybe not.
Are they even looking for a foriegn man? sometimes..
Can you catch a womans serious interest while she is working at a job that requires communicating with men daily?
possibly.
It's kind of like hitting on a particularly hot bartender ..at a popular club while at her work.
possible, but generally a bit of a challenge
 
Its just  much better to meet her in other situations, like a gathering at a friends house, as your odds of dating her would increase dramatically compared to hitting on her at her bar.
Which isnt  possible in these cases (IMHO) so you are left hitting on her at her work..where her job is to answer countless letters just like yours.
 
So just be aware what the *likely* situation is,
 so you can better understand both her and your position in the scope of things.Plan accordingly.
 
Could she be interested in meeting you regardless? yes.
(but it reminds me of the dirty harry movies with the how many shots where fired 5 or 6? , do you feel lucky?)
 
dont be overly paranoid or accusatory as it wouldn't get you anywhere regardless,  with any woman.
yet certainly in dealing with such agencies have both eyes wide open.Her local agency in ukriane is an affiliate agency,  and you need to understand how most of those actually operate and stay solvent, and it sure isnt from the quantity of serious men visiting.
 
 
i'd also advise that if you think you found someone (or someones) sincerely interested in meeting you,
 to go meet them in 3 to 4 months.
A year of correspiondence on such agency sites is near folly..
as a good girl would have likely steered you away to her regular email or phone number rather quickly if serious about seeing you
 
your romantic interest could be an exception to this general reality ..
but we all think we are exceptions
 
 
 
Good Luck.
with such agencies ,you'll need a full sized serving of it. 
 

[JohnDearGreen]

I am browsing through the girls on the elenas models website, are these girls really real girls?????? I've never seen girls this beautiful anywhere before. I mean like all of these girls are beyond being perfect 10's. they are all 11's...

Good luck with search.  But I would avoid the Elena's Model's tour if you happen to stumble onto that web page:

http://www.elenasmodelstours.com/tour/order/order.shtml
A xerox copy of the AFA tour web page complete with the AFA mailing address and phone number listed under the name "Elena's Models" at the bottom of the page??  Who are they trying to fool??

[mendeleyev]

Ahem. You cannot be married to MY wife.
 
Carry on.

Muzh, how is your lovely bride? Mrs M and I are leaving soon for some vacation time--some days at our apartment in Bulgaria then down in southern Russia to Volgograd at the extended family river dacha to say hello to Aunts and cousins.

[chivo]

Budda-
i'd urge you to
listen to the above advice.
 
All of it has been very diplomatic.

I'm biting my tongue with these two new guys  .

[Darth_Budda]

Yes, I have considered that, I am being Duped,,,,

But Now Even AD is sending me emails with her full name?
I am wondering if this is something the girl has to okay?
Normally you never see their last name.

And because of her job I may be able to even look up online and see were she works,,,, any one in kyev?
Not letter writing. That's why I got on here for advice,,, other wise I would of started a post called Look At me I know everything,, LoL

I have spent enough $,, 200-300, Although it's not really very much considering that's only a few dinner dates with a American woman "depending on were you live of course", It will be less expensive at her local agency. most scams work the other way right, get you to pay more?. I hope to skype her this weekend, Her idea,,, as she will be in her home town and have access to a computer..

The woman from EM was in a agency? So it must happen some time,, Any of the woman i have asked, say they would much rather be with someone around their own age,,, How much of this anti-agency stuff is from men who think "This girl has to marry me!",,,

Is their any RW or UW on this forum that used to be in a agency? I can tell the avg option around here is quite low.

Thanks for the advice,,,
I want to continue talking to the UW i meet on AD, What info should i get?

I plan to go this winter,, Still some what unsure what i will need for a 1 week stay? 5-6k or more?? a ballpark figure would be helpful from some one,,,,,
Got to get the details figured out.... Kinda want to do the train ride across Europe, hoping my friends will be back in germany. With Kyev or Luhansk at the end for a week?

I am getting very serious about that now that's custody is done,,,, The main reason I wrote a year, I was planing on last year.
I just couldn't with the stuff going on with my Ex. She would of Run me up the flag pole on that one.. lol....

[Darth_Budda]

One more thing to add,,

I saw some girls on AD that were not very attractive at all... "Trying to put it nice"

I don't see how those girls could be a scam?,,,,

I mean to use a redneck American expression..
They fell down the ugly tree,, and got hit by every branch. "not trying to put it nice"

But maybe i am wrong,,,,,,

[Faux Pas]

Yes, I have considered that, I am being Duped,,,,

That alone should tell you something. Nobody here said you were although I think most, including myself think it's quite likely you are.

But Now Even AD is sending me emails with her full name?
I am wondering if this is something the girl has to okay?
Normally you never see their last name.

And because of her job I may be able to even look up online and see were she works,,,, any one in kyev?
Not letter writing. That's why I got on here for advice,,, other wise I would of started a post called Look At me I know everything,, LoL

You been communicating with her how long? And all you have is her full name? Now you are considering doing a search. Doing a search is a good idea, by the way. These women are paid to keep you interested and spending money. No one here can ascertain her level of interest, only you. You have to ask and answer those questions to yourself, honestly.

I have spent enough $,, 200-300, Although it's not really very much considering that's only a few dinner dates with a American woman "depending on were you live of course", It will be less expensive at her local agency. most scams work the other way right, get you to pay more?. I hope to skype her this weekend, Her idea,,, as she will be in her home town and have access to a computer..

How many women have you dated, spent 2-300 bucks and only know her her name? How much have you paid to AD total? Scams come in many forms. There have been some men who met, married and lived happily ever after from AD. There have been many more that had their ass and their hat handed to them as well. Do you feel lucky? Agencies like AD pay women to keep you interested and the CC info coming.  Are you paying for this expected skype session?

The woman from EM was in a agency? So it must happen some time,, Any of the woman i have asked, say they would much rather be with someone around their own age,,, How much of this anti-agency stuff is from men who think "This girl has to marry me!",,,

Is their any RW or UW on this forum that used to be in a agency? I can tell the avg option around here is quite low.

Thanks for the advice,,,
I want to continue talking to the UW i meet on AD, What info should i get?

"Most" women look for someone closer to their age no matter where they are from. Ukrainian women are no different. Active ladies here who have been on AD has happened but I don't know how many are around. It's more of a rarity to have agency women at RWD. To break it down Darth, there are a number of ways to meet sincere ladies in the FSU without it equating to rolling dice.

I plan to go this winter,, Still some what unsure what i will need for a 1 week stay? 5-6k or more?? a ballpark figure would be helpful from some one,,,,,
Got to get the details figured out.... Kinda want to do the train ride across Europe, hoping my friends will be back in germany. With Kyev or Luhansk at the end for a week?

I am getting very serious about that now that's custody is done,,,, The main reason I wrote a year, I was planing on last year.
I just couldn't with the stuff going on with my Ex. She would of Run me up the flag pole on that one.. lol....

Your level of commitment seems quite low. You've been communicating and paying agency girls for a year or more and still months away from a trip. FYI, if you are going to meet these agency ladies 5-6K or more sounds about right for a week. If you are going to meet a sincere women, half of that amount will be plenty for a week.


I'm not trying to bust your balls here, just giving you some food for thought. It appears you have taken the agency hype hook, line and sinker.


Good Luck

[Faux Pas]

One more thing to add,,

I saw some girls on AD that were not very attractive at all... "Trying to put it nice"

I don't see how those girls could be a scam?,,,,

I mean to use a redneck American expression..
They fell down the ugly tree,, and got hit by every branch. "not trying to put it nice"

But maybe i am wrong,,,,,,

You should take a good look at many of the men who sign up at AD 

[wicheese]

First, good reply #46 FP!

I am getting very serious about that now that's custody is done,,,, The main reason I wrote a year, I was planing on last year.
I just couldn't with the stuff going on with my Ex. She would of Run me up the flag pole on that one.. lol....

D...Budda,

The above statement sounds like you are not too far removed from the emotional wreckage of a bad marriage (I apologize up front if I'm wrong).  Anyways, I see far too many men run to the FSU fresh out of a marriage (depending on how long you were married, the fresh period varies) looking for a hot lady!  Anyways, nothing really wrong with that, but my advice is to date some in your own area first as you just might be surprised at what you find and after some time of doing that, then look to the FSU if you are still inclined and stay far away from the pay-per-letter sites (all of them) and instead focus on either EM or some of the free sites like Mamba.

[Muzh]

Some of these pretty girls are looking for a husband.  Some of these pretty girls are paid by the agency to churn accounts.  I hope you have met the former. 
 

And some of these pretty girls shave every morning and pee standing up.
 
 

2.  English Lessons
 
There are many women who speak some English, enough English to have a good first meeting.  Ignoring the cost of paying for English lessons, just the fact that your woman does not speak English is a problem.  It is very difficult to connect with someone who does not speak your language.  Her English will not improve significantly between now and when you meet.  You say that you can not travel until the winter, so I assume you will not be able to take many trips in a year.   Thus, you need to focus on women with whom the limited precious time together is not hindered by lack of communication. 

Many of the real ladies that are looking to marry a foreign guy DO know some English. I'm a proponent of concentrating on women you can TALK to, either in English or in Russian. If you don't know Russian and are smitten by a girl who doesn't know a word of English, you better learn Russian very well AND very quick.