With apologies to David Letterman

[Eduard]

Chivo, excellent list! Great insight and true knowledge of the situation on the ground in the FSU. I agree with most but would slightly adjust a couple of things.

[Eduard]

9) The mystery of marrying a foreigner is gone - Meeting and marrying someone has lost whatever luster it originally had which wasn't much to begin with. Remember, most ladies in the FSU don't want to marry foreigners, unless of course you actually live in their city.
 
8,) You don't live there - See above. As obvious as it seems to be you live in another country. Long distance relationships rarely work in country much less outside of one.

In my experience most long distance WM RW relationships do survive as long as you find a true, deep connection with a woman, which requires time, intellect, personality, whit, good sense of humor and off course language barrier free communication. Basically you have to really make a woman fall for you (not the country you live in or what you can offer her in regard to material things), for you as a person, as a man. You do that and she is yours for life.
 

[Eduard]

Chivo, I just re-read your post. Everything is right on the money! 

[wicheese]

I'm sure there are other reasons you would be better off staying home and dating locally, but here are my top 10 reasons why you should think long and hard before you waste your time and money.

Chivo,
 
I'm late to this thread, but lots of good information.
 

10) You're underfunded and/or you don’t have enough vacation/free time to invest in face to face situations - This is pretty simple, without a certain amount of disposable income you will not have the means to follow through with this journey.
 
Nothing guarantees success but you just have to see your lady in many different situations to know if you can live with her over the years.

True, but the world is full of one week wonders, who are usually left wondering what went wrong a few years later when their perfect FSUW leaves them.   

9) The mystery of marrying a foreigner is gone - Meeting and marrying someone has lost whatever luster it originally had which wasn't much to begin with. Remember, most ladies in the FSU don't want to marry foreigners, unless of course you actually live in their city.

 
This is true for the FSUW, but for many men who probably never left the country it does have a certain pull, they'll keep on signing up with hopes that what people like you are saying is not true so they can return with stories to tell others around the water cooler and maybe a few pictures to prove it.
 

8,) You don't live there - See above. As obvious as it seems to be you live in another country. Long distance relationships rarely work in country much less outside of one.

Yes, but many a man will say they spent countless hours looking at their FSUW via. Skype while they typing simple sentences to each other.  So they are convinced, distance does not matter until they actually spend lots of face-to-face time with them and wonder what happened to the perfect image.
 
 

7) You have no idea about the culture – Of course we’re all individuals but, if I've said it once I've said it a thousand times; the better you understand a culture, the better you'll understand the person. Trying to think as an American/Australian/Canadian/Italian, ect, and using that mindset to understand your FSU woman is a recipe for disaster.

Yes, but by not understanding the culture, they have a perfect excuse for continuing the relationship with the smokinhotkova when the red flags start to appear.

6) You and she don't speak the same language – Communication is the key to any relationship. Yes she speaks English and you know how to say "пиво" but if you think that she'll be able to express anything deeper than the simplest level of her hopes and dreams you're kidding yourself. And I don't care how fluent you think she is.
 
Of course living in country will change that and her level of English, but we're talking years down the road.

How often have you heard, "we only need to love each other and everything will be OK", so speaking the same language does not matter to them.  The only problem is, they forget the part to truly love someone you really need to know someone.
 

5) You think they're easy - Because of the basic rule of supply and demand in the FSU, and the fact that most/all FSUW want to marry and have a family and children - you think they're desperate. And they might be easy to marry depending on their situation, but they won't be easy to deal with afterward if they don't really love you. And they probably don't at first given the dynamics of the relationship.
 
This also applies to their economic state. Remember most things that are available now weren't available even a few short years ago. Times/attitudes/living conditions are changing fast in Eastern Europe and they've also seen how the other half lives.

I'm thinking, by "easy", you mean easy to marry.  Well, for many on a western facing dating site this might be true as often their econmic situation is questionable (why else do many suggest to seek out the more economically depressed areas of the FSU), despite the lady always saying it's about love and wanting a family.  If they are being truthful, IMHO, often you will hear something else, but to the man with the trophy, he would not hear it if told it...
 
 

4) You think with the wrong head - Russia/Ukraine/FSU is one of the easiest places to date and/or sleep with women for a variety of reasons that even the most annoying caveman can  improve his social dating status. Do not confuse this with actual love and a lifetime of marital bliss.

IMHO, most or all men are guilty of this from time-to-time.  Add to that the marketing of sites like Aweb or HRB, throw in stories told by someone who knew someone who knows someone who is fat, dumb, and ugly getting lucky and you'll find that the aspect of landing a trophy is a leading cause of men going to the FSU and often they do not want to keep it around.
 

3) You're way out of your league - While I personally believe a man can up his level of woman given some of his shortcomings, one needs to temper his ego knowing that she will be living in your country, and therefore will over time better understand her market value. Sorry, but it matters.

For some men, being married to someone out-of-there-league, even if it's only for two years is worth the cost.  I still remember a UW who I know locally who said most all FSUW & AM marriages end in divorce, but "it's not such a bad thing as the man gets an attractive wife for a few years and she gets the house when it ends". 
 

2) You try too hard to impress and/or you’re not yourself - If you come and start acting, dressing, living large, and all around behaving in a way that is not the real you, you’re headed for trouble. Be yourself, simple

Many of those who do this, have no problems with it as I know too well the story of a local man who chased a lady in Ukraine, despite the fact he was essentially unemployed, but did she know the later fact?  In case you are wondering, yes it failed due to the fact that he did not have the resouces to follow through.
 

1) You're a moron, lunatic, egomaniac, psycho, pervert, social misfit, control freak or any combination of - nuff said.

All the more reason to go, heck, local women can figure this out pretty quickly, but in the FSU it might take some time so the socially challenged might even have a chance to get lucky before she figures it out!!!
 
 
OK, in case anyone is wondering, I'm fully in agreement with what Chivo wrote and I'd be the first to tell someone to look locally as your chances of finding a good match (note, not trophy) is still better in the long term than going to the FSU.  But, despite this advice, men will continue to fly to the FSU with the dream that it'll be different for them because the marketing machine of the big agencies are spinning the myth that the facts that Chivo pointed out really do not matter.

[Faux Pas]

In my experience most long distance WM RW relationships do survive as long as you find a true, deep connection with a woman, which requires time, intellect, personality, whit, good sense of humor and off course language barrier free communication. Basically you have to really make a woman fall for you (not the country you live in or what you can offer her in regard to material things), for you as a person, as a man. You do that and she is yours for life.

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Eduard,


Good to see you back posting again. Despite your and my inability to see eye to eye on a number of issues, this is excellent advice as is much of your posts. Welcome back 

[Eduard]

OK, in case anyone is wondering, I'm fully in agreement with what Chivo wrote and I'd be the first to tell someone to look locally as your chances of finding a good match (note, not trophy) is still better in the long term than going to the FSU.  But, despite this advice, men will continue to fly to the FSU with the dream that it'll be different for them because the marketing machine of the big agencies are spinning the myth that the facts that Chivo pointed out really do not matter.

Mark, I think that the chances of finding a woman locally are only better if you like BBWs (Big Beautiful Women AKA obese women), very unattractive women, half way decent looking women with a few kids or women who are older - late 40s and up.
Truth is, when I was single and looking I had several choices of single women who fit the categories above. I went out with a couple of nurses who were totally into me and they were nice, but they were "thick" not really fat but I just didn't find them sexually attractive at all. So I didn't get involved with them in spite of them calling me many times after our date. Had a very unattractive lawyer lady after me, a psychologist in her late 40s with alcohol dependency problem, and several others. So you may say I did have local options, but attraction and sex are important to me and I would really have to make a serious compromise to be with or marry one of those ladies.
In the FSU I didn't have to make such compromise. There my choices were unlimited and finding my wife was just the matter of a few months.

[Eduard]

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Eduard,


Good to see you back posting again. Despite your and my inability to see eye to eye on a number of issues, this is excellent advice as is much of your posts. Welcome back 

Thank you, and I'm glad to see you doing well!

[wicheese]

Mark, I think that the chances of finding a woman locally are only better if you like BBWs (Big Beautiful Women AKA obese women), very unattractive women, half way decent looking women with a few kids or women who are older - late 40s and up.

I think there is some truth in what you write, but too often I see something of a double standard with men who look in the FSU as one thing is certain, you can upgrade on your options here in the USA.  Mostly, what see are men that want the young, thin, and attractive lady but if you look closely at the man, he's older, slightly overweight (if not fat), and probably no Brad Pitt.  Taking that into context, if he has decent social skills, he'll probably find an equivalent match for him in his own country (oh, I should add that the man often does not want a women who is divorced with kids, but often that is exactly the situation of the man).   I guess a case in point is a local 10K race which I helped out with this past weekend, there were plenty of single thin and sportive looking women of all ages, but one thing is certain, in most cases they will not be interested in a plump older man, but would have no problems with someone close to there age and fitness level. 
 
So you might then ask, why am I going to be marrying an FSUW in the not so distant future.  Well, I'll freely admit that I drank the cool-aide early in my search, was able to easily upgrade on options once in the search, and then ended up finding a truly beautiful lady (who happens to be just average looking like myself).  But, in the end if I had put a similar effort into looking locally, could I have found someone similar, I truely believe the answer is yes and it would have been a lot easier getting to know them (granted, I loved all the travel so in a way I am not complaining).

[Misha]

I'd be the first to tell someone to look locally as your chances of finding a good match (note, not trophy) is still better in the long term than going to the FSU.  But, despite this advice, men will continue to fly to the FSU with the dream that it'll be different for them because the marketing machine of the big agencies are spinning the myth that the facts that Chivo pointed out really do not matter.

Sure, if you are willing to wait a decade or two, I am sure everybody will eventually find someone 


As for Chivo's comments, they are however influenced by the fact that he is living and working in Moscow. Yes, Muscovites are the women in Russia that will be the least likely to want to move anywhere else in or out of Russia. However, there is a pretty big country outside of Moscow    It does not need to be desperation, but rather the fact that outside Moscow the propaganda begins to ring hollow for many 

[Eduard]

I think there is some truth in what you write, but too often I see something of a double standard with men who look in the FSU as one thing is certain, you can upgrade on your options here in the USA.  Mostly, what see are men that want the young, thin, and attractive lady but if you look closely at the man, he's older, slightly overweight (if not fat), and probably no Brad Pitt.  Taking that into context, if he has decent social skills, he'll probably find an equivalent match for him in his own country (oh, I should add that the man often does not want a women who is divorced with kids, but often that is exactly the situation of the man).   I guess a case in point is a local 10K race which I helped out with this past weekend, there were plenty of single thin and sportive looking women of all ages, but one thing is certain, in most cases they will not be interested in a plump older man, but would have no problems with someone close to there age and fitness level. 
 
So you might then ask, why am I going to be marrying an FSUW in the not so distant future.  Well, I'll freely admit that I drank the cool-aide early in my search, was able to easily upgrade on options once in the search, and then ended up finding a truly beautiful lady (who happens to be just average looking like myself).  But, in the end if I had put a similar effort into looking locally, could I have found someone similar, I truely believe the answer is yes and it would have been a lot easier getting to know them (granted, I loved all the travel so in a way I am not complaining).

Mark, all this still depends on a number of factors. When I was single I was in my early 40s, in great shape, reasonably attractive (not Brad Pitt but not Quasimodo either!) working out every day, yes I was divorced but with no kids, owned a home, and drove a beautiful Nissan 300ZX sports car. Yet I was alone (unless I made some serious compromises). Admittedly the area where I live is horrible for a single man in his early 40s. There is almost no single half way attractive women in the late 20s to 40 range in Sarasota/Bradenton area. And even if you go to bigger cities like Tampa, St. Pete or Ft. Myers things are not much better. When I was on match.com I did chat with a few nice looking women that I would have liked to date from other areas, but they all lived in other states, had good careers going and basically said that they wouldn't want to move anywhere and would prefer to find some one in their cities unless I would consider moving. I think some of the best AW live in places like WI, IL, MI, OH - the Midwest, and I found that I connect with them pretty well. If I lived somewhere in the Midwest I probably would have met a nice, attractive gal. But here where I live it's really bad for single guys in their late 30s, early 40s. The thing is, I love the area where I live and definitely didn't want to move anywhere from here. After 2 years of frustration I couldn't take it any more. Plus after making a trip back to Russia, seeing how different the dating scene was over there, the unlimited options I had there in regard to women and it made perfect sense to me to find a wife in the FSU and bring her here, to Florida.

[wicheese]

Admittedly the area where I live is horrible for a single man in his early 40s. There is almost no single half way attractive women in the late 20s to 40 range in Sarasota/Bradenton area.

Having been a regular visitor to your area since the mid 70's, I will admit that you do have a point as the blue haired crowd is the most active in your area and I doubt you were looking for anyone near the shuffleboard court  . 

[ML]

I think there is some truth in what you write, but too often I see something of a double standard with men who look in the FSU as one thing is certain, you can upgrade on your options here in the USA.  Mostly, what see are men that want the young, thin, and attractive lady but if you look closely at the man, he's older, slightly overweight (if not fat), and probably no Brad Pitt.  Taking that into context, if he has decent social skills, he'll probably find an equivalent match for him in his own country

I take exception to your idea that 'an equivalent match' can be found in own country.

Yes, possible; but the probability is low.

Think statistics and supply/demand, and human behavior.

e.g.  Go to random USA city and random FSU city.  You want a slender woman (yes you do, stop lying).  Now view 100 passing women in your approximate target age range and count those that fit what you want.

What you will find is something like 50-60/100 in FSU city and 10/100 in USA city.

OK, so you say . . . just go after those 10 in USA.  But there are 50+ guys going after those same women in USA city.  So what happens to the personality and behavior of these 10/100 USA women who know they are a rarity?  Let's guess on that one.

Or take the easier route.  Go after one of the 50-60/100 FSU women who are being pursued by a much lesser number of men.

[Eduard]

I take exception to your idea that 'an equivalent match' can be found in own country.

Yes, possible; but the probability is low.

Think statistics and supply/demand, and human behavior.

e.g.  Go to random USA city and random FSU city.  You want a slender woman (yes you do, stop lying).  Now view 100 passing women in your approximate target age range and count those that fit what you want.

What you will find is something like 50-60/100 in FSU city and 10/100 in USA city.

OK, so you say . . . just go after those 10 in USA.  But there are 50+ guys going after those same women in USA city.  So what happens to the personality and behavior of these 10/100 USA women who know they are a rarity?  Let's guess on that one.

Or take the easier route.  Go after one of the 50-60/100 FSU women who are being pursued by a much lesser number of men.

very true. Dating dynamics are 180 degrees different in the FSU. I sometimes feel like a piece of meat, a sex object when I'm in the FSU! It's a nice feeling though and kinda makes you understand how nice looking AW feel with all the hungry guys lusting after them!    Here AW got it made! They really have many choices of men, while in the FSU men are doing the choosing and women are just trying to make themselves looking as desirable as possible to get picked.

[Eduard]

Having been a regular visitor to your area since the mid 70's, I will admit that you do have a point as the blue haired crowd is the most active in your area and I doubt you were looking for anyone near the shuffleboard court  .

I have a friend who's lived in this area for about 30 years. He said that it used to be pretty good with lots of women coming down here on vacation, etc. But he said that things really changed in the last 15 years or so, and I can testify to that! It was terrible to be single here.

[clancyhound]

 When I was in the airport in Екатиренбург waiting for a bus, I was sitting in a cafe - and out of nowhere a lady comes up to the table and ask’ s, Can I sit?? I said sure - so we start to talk, she is going to Moscow for New Years. It would have not been difficult to get her information to contact her later. This same thing happened in Челябинск
Now maybe they were interested in me, maybe not, I have no idea. But this type of thing has never happened in the States, and both these women were in my eyes, beautiful. But not as beautiful as my lady.
I agree with you ED, my limited experience says it’s a little different in Russia.
 

[wicheese]

I 100% agree with Ed, ManLooking, & Clancyhound that the dating dynamics are much in the man's favor in the FSU vs. in the west where it's in the ladies favor.  Still, it's not impossible here, even if you are looking for a thin lady.  For example, they'll be having a marathon here in a few weeks where they'll have 20,000 competitors between the full and half options and the majority of participants will be women and the vast majority of those women will be thin.  In other words, one needs to go where your type of women hang-out and yes you'll need to work a little harder, but the trade-off is that it'll be a lot easier getting to know the lady who is local.

[Misha]

... Still, it's not impossible here, even if you are looking for a thin lady. ...

They exist, but will they actually date you and marry you? As Ed mentions, the two are not the same. I had the same problem as Ed in Canada. I could find other women in other cities in Canada, but they did not want to move to a smaller city, a smaller city where it would be difficult for them to find an equivalent job in most cases. Knowing that there were wonderful women elsewhere in Canada that I could potentially date if I moved was of little reassurance to me 

[wicheese]

They exist, but will they actually date you and marry you?

In my case, I would answer yes as I dated them, but that was me 5 & 6 years ago (who knows what I would attract in the local market today as I have pased that 45 y.o. threshold), but when looking back I realize now I was not ready to get married. Then I got distracted by a serious case of upgrade fever, after reading the propaganda on MOB sites, and as many of us know once a sugar addict enters the Russian candy store, it's really hard to leave.  Hence, why people like Ed will always have willing clients as long as the dating situation in Russia stays heavily in favor of the men as we can upgrade on our marriage prospects there, but there is still a much higher risk/cost that needs to be weighed against any possible reward (in the case of Ed's service which I think is a good model, you have a higher cost which lowers the risk).

[ML]

Still, it's not impossible here, even if you are looking for a thin lady.  For example, they'll be having a marathon here in a few weeks where they'll have 20,000 competitors between the full and half options and the majority of participants will be women and the vast majority of those women will be thin.  In other words, one needs to go where your type of women hang-out and yes you'll need to work a little harder, but the trade-off is that it'll be a lot easier getting to know the lady who is local.

Yes, there are some here.  But, still . . . go back to some words in my prior post; and its simply not a matter of 'work a little harder.':

"OK, so you say . . . just go after those 10 in USA.  But there are 50+ guys going after those same women in USA city.  So what happens to the personality and behavior of these 10/100 USA women who know they are a rarity?  Let's guess on that one."

[Turboguy]

There are always exceptions to any rule, but the people you talk about are clearly the exceptions and are much in the minority.
 

It was an interesting list and I enjoyed reading it.   I am not so sure exceptions are that much of a minority and I have seen quite a few find success who went against a few of these.   I will agree the more someone doesn't follow these the more the risk.  I have seen people succeed who didn't have the vacation time and others who didn't have the capital and a few that had both problems.   Still yes, it can be expensive and it is far better if someone can afford and take the time to make a number of trips.   


I also agree with the points my wife made.   For example her mentioning that many women in the FSU have never really considered marrying a foreign man.  I think she is right about that and I think that is the secret of Eduard's success. 


Many here believe a common language is essential.  I think for some it is.  Personally I never considered it important even though the woman I married had excellent English.   I have always felt I could learn more about a person observing them, how they act in public.  How they treat others and many more things than from what they told you.   When people want something they will often tell that person what they think they want to hear.  I have seen a number of successful marriages when the woman had no English in the beginning.   Perhaps it is a bit of pot luck, perhaps not.


Does the mystery of the woman being foreign fade over time?   Perhaps for some.   I have always enjoyed it and still enjoy it.  We are just a few weeks short of 4 years since my wife's arrival in America and it hasn't faded for me.  I still enjoy the differences and am constantly amazed about how wonderful she is. 

[Eduard]

Does the mystery of the woman being foreign fade over time?   Perhaps for some.   I have always enjoyed it and still enjoy it.  We are just a few weeks short of 4 years since my wife's arrival in America and it hasn't faded for me.  I still enjoy the differences and am constantly amazed about how wonderful she is.

Ray, I was wondering, does VWRW come over and give you a big smooch every time she comes across a post like this? 

[Turboguy]

Ray, I was wondering, does VWRW come over and give you a big smooch every time she comes across a post like this? 

Humm, perhaps I should have waited a few days to say that.  I am in Texas right now.

[chivo]

It was an interesting list and I enjoyed reading it. I am not so sure exceptions are that much of a minority and I have seen quite a few find success who went against a few of these. I will agree the more someone doesn't follow these the more the risk. I have seen people succeed who didn't have the vacation time and others who didn't have the capital and a few that had both problems. Still yes, it can be expensive and it is far better if someone can afford and take the time to make a number of trips.

Turbo, I've always appreciated your demeanor on this and other fora, but you have to admit that the failures outweigh the successes and that number is no where near 50-50. I don't know what the number of successful attempts at finding a wife is exactly, but my guess it is relatively small in comparison.
 
Your own experience would back this up, wouldn't you say? Put another way for the newbies is your success rate was less than 10%, and you spent over $100K doing it.

Also the highlighted phrase is part of the bottom line. Not that you WILL fail necessarily, but by better understanding the pitfalls, you increase your chances for success. And to really decide if seeking a woman from the former USSR is in your best interest given the realities of the situation.

I also agree with the points my wife made. For example her mentioning that many women in the FSU have never really considered marrying a foreign man. I think she is right about that and I think that is the secret of Eduard's success.

I was wondering if and when you would chime in and support your wife . No shocker there. I still contend you two are more the exception than the rule.

Considering doing something and giving it thought is a loooooooooooong way from actually doing it. As one who has actually moved country I can tell you it's not as easy as you think, especially for a woman. I happened to have been extremely lucky in my case that the transition went very smoothly, but certainly not without hitches. And the Russians are IMO a lot more helpful overall than say the Americans in helping one (a foreigner) adjust. Trust me on this one.

I still contend the number who actually make the move is very, very small nevertheless.

Many here believe a common language is essential. I think for some it is. Personally I never considered it important even though the woman I married had excellent English. I have always felt I could learn more about a person observing them, how they act in public. How they treat others and many more things than from what they told you. When people want something they will often tell that person what they think they want to hear. I have seen a number of successful marriages when the woman had no English in the beginning. Perhaps it is a bit of pot luck, perhaps not.

We can't take what we think and accept it as the norm when it goes against what really is the norm. Communication is key. Whether it matters to you or I is not what's important, overall most marriages depend on it.

Not saying it's impossible to be in a happy relationship otherwise, just that it is again more the exception than the rule.

Does the mystery of the woman being foreign fade over time? Perhaps for some. I have always enjoyed it and still enjoy it. We are just a few weeks short of 4 years since my wife's arrival in America and it hasn't faded for me. I still enjoy the differences and am constantly amazed about how wonderful she is.

This might come as a shock to you, but I like the differences myself too. I also have no problem with the language barrier, although I must admit it was uncomfortable at first. And I can tell you without a doubt many RW whom I dated had a bigger issue with it than I, which resulted in us going our separate ways eventually. Now it's less of an issue because I understand and speak Russian much better than when I first arrived.

This list was not meant to say that you WILL fail, only some of the more important things IMO that someone will have to recognize or overcome in order to be successful.

People, especially newbies need to understand what they're getting themselves into better. For anyone here to say that the odds are in your favor would have to be crazy. That's the point again. Not that you can't succeed, but how better to approach the situation in order to put the odds more in your favor and hopefully to be more effective with your money and time.

[Turboguy]

Your own experience would back this up, wouldn't you say? Put another way for the newbies is your success rate was less than 10%, and you spent over $100K doing it.

Also the highlighted phrase is part of the bottom line. Not that you WILL fail necessarily, but by better understanding the pitfalls, you increase your chances for success.

Well I guess it depends on how you define success.  If you use the number of women you met, including the ones you talked to on tours compared to the number of women you married it would be well under 1%.   If you counted only the ones I at least had a dinner date with yes, it would be way under 10%.   Perhaps, however I was very successful at eliminating women who I was better off not marrying.  For me, it was worth it.  I had some very interesting expiences and met some great people and eventually a really great person.
 
I think the last paragraph is one I totally agree with.   I do think there are a lot of factors that come into play.  Luck, determination and realistic expectations are biggies.  I have always believed you can do most anything you set your mind to if you want to do it bad enough.  Probably the biggest failure group are those who have lots of money but little else going for them and think they are going to get a trophy wife becasue they can afford one.  Most will just find some trophys that are good at taking them to the cleaners while still in the dating stage.
 
I have no idea what the odds are if someone is lacking in one or two of the items on the list.  I do agree someone needs to be aware of thier limitations and take a long hard look at if they are really going to have a chance of success.  I could, but won't name a few RWD members who have overcome those obsticales.  I have also seen a lot of former RWD members who had none of those problems and yet failed.  I have a feeling that the number of men who get a brainstorm to marry a RW and get on the internet and start writing women on Aweb, or other sites compared to those who end up actually in a happy marriage to a RW would be in the range of 1/10 of one percent.   (.001)

[alex330]

Probably the biggest failure group are those who have lots of money but little else going for them and think they are going to get a trophy wife becasue they can afford one.  Most will just find some trophys that are good at taking them to the cleaners while still in the dating stage.
 

This is one of the most common types of guys that go over to the FSU according to my fiance and her friends. They are a dime a dozen and think a few gifts will secure a supermodel who can do it all yet have very little to offer themselves besides financial security.