Canadian crime, protection, police,

[Muzh]

 
The next day, she breaks up with him saying how such a jello he was and she can never ever feel safe with him...so he asked what *I* would have done. ( I didn't really have to tell him how I have such uncanny ability and abundance of skills with cat-like reflexes and that every part of my anatomy is licensed as a deadly weapon of 'mass distraction' - he's already aware of it. It's obvious just by looking at me). So I told him the truth....
 

LMAO
 

Escalating a rather 'benign' situation (thus far) to a far worst situation simply because of someone's stupidity is hardly heroic. She should've recognized the fact 'nothing' happened other than experiencing a scary moment and likely bruised ego, that doing nothing at the time was the right thing to do. Unless she preferred he immediately turned towards the car and invited then to come out of it, and maybe, both be hospitalized by morning - he beaten, she raped and beaten.
 
But, like always, I can tell it bothered him 'more' that his 'ex' thought of him as a coward, than to embrace sometimes, under terrible times, it takes a lot more to see things rationally than react instinctively.

Let me guess. In order to feel 7 feet tall with stailess steel cojones the guy bought a 357 Magnum, joined the NRA, and got a permit to pack in public.
 
Just joking but, there are many who would do it to suddenly realize they are just 5'8" with disappearing balls the moment they are confronted with an armed man.
 
I hear all these arguments of "taking responsibility for his own actions" and blast away the undesirable that the time will come when ANYONE who do not embrace their POV will be an undesirable and then will start blasting away. Those are the ones who are the dangerous members of society.

[Boethius]

Boethuis,


So then the correct call your father should have would have been "come quick, a thief has been shot and needs attention". In the Southern States US that would have likely have been the call and true 

LOL.  I don't think he would've shot him if for stealing, but yes, he would've done so if he thought his life was endangered. 

[Misha]

Just joking but, there are many who would do it to suddenly realize they are just 5'8" with disappearing balls the moment they are confronted with an armed man.

Pretty much. But, I presume it does they egos good to pound their virtual chests and scream out how they are the manly men    Interestingly, the only personal connection that I have to murder is in the United States. When I was in high school (yes, it has been a while) one of our teachers, an American, his father was murdered in the USA. In spite of having piles of guns in his house, he was shot by his neighbour who then proceeded to steal all the guns    His father lived in one of the Dakotas.
 

I hear all these arguments of "taking responsibility for his own actions" and blast away the undesirable that the time will come when ANYONE who do not embrace their POV will be an undesirable and then will start blasting away. Those are the ones who are the dangerous members of society.

I agree with you.

[Daveman]

You can't buy a handgun in Canada, and ownership of them is restricted.  It is quite easy to buy a shotgun or a rifle, although they have to be registered (for about 10 years now, compliance is low in rural Alberta), and when you buy a gun now, you have to take a course on gun safety, which is not a bad idea.


The difference, GOB, is that criminals now have handguns.  That was not the case until the early 1990's, and it is really bad now.

Where are the criminals acquiring these handguns?  In the USA, it is claimed (and probably largely true) that the criminals get the guns via theft from "law abiding citizens" then trading on the black market. 

I'm completely unfamiliar with Canadian gun control legislation, its inception, etc.  Are there still that many handguns floating the black market from the days prior to GC, or are they being smuggled in from the USA, or???

What you have written about Alberta does seem to support the purported correlation between GC legislation and violent crime increase. 

[Misha]

Are there still that many handguns floating the black market from the days prior to GC, or are they being smuggled in from the USA, or???

Laws regulating pistols have been around in Canada since the 19th century. Any pistols floating around before GC would be antiques


Illegal handguns are smuggled in, in the same way that marijuana is smuggled down for sale in the USA.


Also, the use of firearms and weapons in robberies in Canada is actually decreasing! According to the statistics: "One of the major changes in robbery over the past decade has been a decrease in the use of weapons. In 2009, robberies with a firearm accounted for 15% of all robberies compared to 20% in 1999. Robberies committed with other weapons such as knives have also declined, from 36% in 1999 to 30% in 2009."


Source: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2010002/article/11292-eng.htm#a5

[Boethius]

Yes, Dave, they are almost all smuggled into Canada from the U.S.  They are used in robberies, but mostly, are used in gang violence.  From time to time, innocents get caught up in the crossfire (non gang members have been murdered by being in the wrong place at the wrong time in Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, and Toronto).
 
I know a fair number of people who have been murdered or killed people, all in Alberta.  One of my father's coworkers, who was also a friend, ran a shop as a side business.  After retirement he ran his store full time.  He was stabbed to death in his store by a robber.  A girl I knew in childhood also stabbed two people to death, at different times, the second, about six months after being released on parole.  A boy I knew at school murdered his stepfather, also by stabbing him.  It is far more common in non gang murders to be murdered by beating/stabbing than by gunfire.
 
As Edmonton was mentioned here, I will note it has had three murders this week.

[ECOCKS]

It's obvious we need to outlaw knives and hands then.

Double amputation would remove the possibility of strangulation, beating by fists and, conveniently, prevent them from being able to hold a gun. Perhaps pad the stumps with large quantities of foam rubber to prevent use of the stumps as blunt force trauma weapons?

B, any links to gun-running operation busts which illustrate the pipeline from te US to Canada?

[Boethius]

I don't think anyone is advocating outlawing guns.  But, when used with intent, they generally are more deadly than other weapons.
 
The last official discussion I could find on this was about 4 years ago -
 
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/ci-rc/reports-rapports/traf/index-eng.htm
 
Here's a second one -
 
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/pi/rs/rep-rap/1998/wd98_4-dt98_4/p9.html

[Misha]

It's obvious we need to outlaw knives and hands then.

The thing is, homicide rates have been going down in both Canada and the United States (though the rate is still close to 3 times the Canadian rate).


If we look at the stats for the same year, 2009, the homicide rate per 100,000 people was 1.8 in Canada and 5.0 in the USA. Where the homicide rates are clearly out of control in Canada are the northern territories, notably Nunavut.

[Misha]

And, just for you Ed, an article on how our gangs are smuggling guns into Canada from the USA: http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=0961ce9a-38d9-4e61-9722-ebfd4c3bc00c

[ECOCKS]

So, no "busts" taking place?

It certainly doesn't surprise me that the majority of firearms seized by the border patrol units are from the US. After all, we're the only ones you really have a land border with. That study notes that SE Asia is also a source though mentioning "small" quantities.

To be sure I understood some of the other points, I was noticing that is mentions cutting down long guns to manageable size as a source. So, when they can't get handguns from one source or another, a portion of the population makes them from materials at hand then? It also notes reactivation of firearms that were formerly deactivated. These seem to indicates that domestic demand exists to the point where a cottage industry or folk skill has developed.

I know this same situation exists in the the UJ where there are those who take an airgun/starter pistol frame and do a rebuild.modification to convert it into a projectile-firing weapon for resale. The police apprehension and shooting of one of these guys is what set off the UK riots this summer.

I'd be very interested in hearing if there are any stings or busts which expose these Canadian firearms pipelines. Maybe if you see any you can post them here or shoot me an email with the link.

Very educational, thanks!
 

[Misha]

So, no "busts" taking place?

Ummm, read the article that I posted:


"Janz, 36, was one of 18 bikers and associates arrested in December during Project Drill - a police sting operation aided by a longtime criminal turned secret agent. Janz is the fourth accused to plead guilty, admitting to four charges, including conspiracy to traffic guns, conspiracy to import guns, possession of proceeds of crime and possessing weapons while prohibited."
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[BC]

Amazing how many results appear when one googles 'off duty cop shot'

[Ade]

Amazing how many results appear when one googles 'off duty cop shot'

But those are all the off duty cops that didn't carry a gun of course.

[ECOCKS]

Amazing how many results appear when one googles 'off duty cop shot'

Yeah, sort of makes you think how stupid some people are regarding their faith in those highly-trained and super-efficient police officers doesn't it?

[TheTraveler]

Speaking of California eggs and omelettes (LOL)...you think the shooting on Seal beach was bad, did you hear about that fiendish hotdog-tossing, weiner-wielding liberal on the loose in San Martin last weekend? Now that puppy sent chills up and down my spine. How can these people do this?
 
Just because they never got spanking doesn't mean they have the right to just toss their hotdogs anywhere they want to, you know...
 
Anyway.....
 
This conversation reminded me of a story one of my friends told me happened to him and his ex...he said they were cming out of the movies late one night and were walking to their car when a car drove alongside them full of gangbangers. He immediately switched side to place himself between his GF and the car.....
 
Then the window rolled down and a voice was heard saying, "Hey cutie..want to get those pretty stockings dirty?" (laughter). The GF looked at him and he motioned to look away. They kept walking and for a while the car drove ever so slowly to keep pace...then abruptly drove away...
 
The next day, she breaks up with him saying how such a jello he was and she can never ever feel safe with him...so he asked what *I* would have done. ( I didn't really have to tell him how I have such uncanny ability and abundance of skills with cat-like reflexes and that every part of my anatomy is licensed as a deadly weapon of 'mass distraction' - he's already aware of it. It's obvious just by looking at me). So I told him the truth....
 
Escalating a rather 'benign' situation (thus far) to a far worst situation simply because of someone's stupidity is hardly heroic. She should've recognized the fact 'nothing' happened other than experiencing a scary moment and likely bruised ego, that doing nothing at the time was the right thing to do. Unless she preferred he immediately turned towards the car and invited then to come out of it, and maybe, both be hospitalized by morning - he beaten, she raped and beaten.
 
But, like always, I can tell it bothered him 'more' that his 'ex' thought of him as a coward, than to embrace sometimes, under terrible times, it takes a lot more to see things rationally than react instinctively.

She sounds like a modern version of the old classic movie, "The Big Country".
 
This "Patricia Terrill" did your friend a huge favor.  Better to find out that she's an idiot sooner rather than later.
 
Hope he moved on to "Julie Maragon"!
 

[TheTraveler]

LMAO
 
Let me guess. In order to feel 7 feet tall with stailess steel cojones the guy bought a 357 Magnum, joined the NRA, and got a permit to pack in public.
 
Just joking but, there are many who would do it to suddenly realize they are just 5'8" with disappearing balls the moment they are confronted with an armed man.
 
I hear all these arguments of "taking responsibility for his own actions" and blast away the undesirable that the time will come when ANYONE who do not embrace their POV will be an undesirable and then will start blasting away. Those are the ones who are the dangerous members of society.

Do you have a concealed carry permit and a handgun?

[Misha]

Yeah, sort of makes you think how stupid some people are regarding their faith in those highly-trained and super-efficient police officers doesn't it?

Yes, and it emphasizes how some people are too idiotic to understand that off duty is off duty: your focus can be elsewhere and you do not have necessarily fellow officers around you, you normally would't be wearing your bullet proof vest, you wouldn't have a radio and you wouldn't necessarily have your guard up because you are not on duty 

[Daveman]

MOOHOOHAHAHAHAH!! Bring 'em on!

[Muzh]

Do you have a concealed carry permit and a handgun?

One more time, what is your point?
 
I don't have a gun nor a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

[ECOCKS]

Do you have a concealed carry permit and a handgun?

You'll find a lot of anti-gun people have a fixation about the penis and testicles, it's one of their favorite things to bring up in a discussion about gun-rights/control.


After you notice this it becomes much easier to determine who is able to discuss versus who merely wants to use the discussion as an excuse to talk about these things.

[Misha]

You'll find a lot of anti-gun people have a fixation about the penis and testicles, it's one of their favorite things to bring up in a discussion about gun-rights/control.

Yes, because people like you and BillyB have this obsession with proving that you are "manly men" because you have this need for guns to protect yourself, while others such as myself see no need as I trust the police to do their job. If people such as yourself have such a need to demonstrate "manliness" then yes the common presumption is that the bluster is being used to compensate for where there is something lacking