Russian/Ukraine "ladies" websites are a mirage?

[Muzh]

Yes, but this is an ad crazy country.

The proportion of commercials does not adequately reflect the proportion of persons with any given malady across countries.

I don't know of any cross sectional studies of this across countries.

As I mentioned, I have only heard anecdotal comments from FSU women.

However, I think it is well established that ED is closely associated with drinking problems and a person's general state of health.

Thus, the hypothesis that a higher percentage of FSU men experience ED compared to WM for any given age seems to have some foundation.

Someone who knows how to set up the surveys here can help solve this question.

All the men here could tell of their ED problems (of course we would all be honest) and the women here could ask their mother's about their father's ED situation.   

ML:


This outburst of ED has been the result of our convenient way of life. High blood pressure, high cholesterol, obesity, etc. are the culprits and not necessarily alcohol consumption. For males to function within normal parameters they are prescribed a cocktail of drugs that reduces potency. The main culprit are beta-blockers.


A man can consume quite a bit of alcohol, however, if he stays very active I doubt he will suffer from ED, unless he has been psychologically castrated.

[OlgaH]

Yes, but this is an ad crazy country.

The proportion of commercials does not adequately reflect the proportion of persons with any given malady across countries.

Yes and no. For example there are also many commercials on "loss of weight" and we know why. 

As I mentioned, I have only heard anecdotal comments from FSU women.

However, I think it is well established that ED is closely associated with drinking problems and a person's general state of health.

Thus, the hypothesis that a higher percentage of FSU men experience ED compared to WM for any given age seems to have some foundation.
 

I really can not comment on anecdotal comments by FSU women because personally I did not experience such problem with FSU men. Probably because I did not have so many men in my life to make a conclusion and I always have been choosy 

Regarding hypothesis the situation with obesity, diabetes, depressions, stress and different kind of prescribed medicine that is very popular in the US also can give some foundations.   

[Gator]

However, I think it is well established that ED is closely associated with drinking problems and a person's general state of health.

Thus, the hypothesis that a higher percentage of FSU men experience ED compared to WM for any given age seems to have some foundation.

 
Don't forget smoking - a higher percentage of FSUM smoke than AM.  Diabetes is definitely a problem and I don't know the incidence rate of  then two populations.
 

As I mentioned, I have only heard anecdotal comments from FSU women.
 

 
Another factor is how much the woman turns on the man (her physical appearance, how much she wants to be with him, etc.).  Maybe RM had better options elsewhere.     Just a joke ML, similar to how I get ED with AM my age.

 

Someone who knows how to set up the surveys here can help solve this question.

All the men here could tell of their ED problems (of course we would all be honest) and the women here could ask their mother's about their father's ED situation.   

The best survey statistics would be if RW at RWD pickup different older men  at their neighborhood meeting places and take them for a test ride.  The more men sampled, the better the conclusions.
 

 
 
 
Someone who knows how to set up the surveys here can help solve this question.

All the men here could tell of their ED problems (of course we would all be honest) and the women here could ask their mother's about their father's ED situation.   

[Olly]

And, in reference to Eduard's comments, I have heard some anecdotal comments that impotence problems are quite wide spread in FSU, and at much earlier ages than in the west.  Probably due to drinking and other poor health issues.  Maybe someone has some research statistics on this.

Yes it is true. In russia man after 45 in general is the old man already

[OlgaH]

Yes it is true. In russia man after 45 in general is the old man already

I just can tell that our views differ. Personally I would not say so 

[Olly]

I just can tell that our views differ. Personally I would not say so 

I said "in general". Of course many men are healthy and looks good in 45 but not much. and in 50 just 1 of 1000 or less.

[OlgaH]

I said "in general". Of course many men are healthy and looks good in 45 but not much. and in 50 just 1 of 1000 or less.

 I would not say even "in general" by my own observation it would be rather 50/50. I can not post photos of my friends and coworkers here but I'm still impressed how they look even in their 50s and 60s. 

[Olly]

I would not say even "in general" by my own observation it would be rather 50/50. I can not post photos of my friends and coworkers here but I'm still impressed how they look even in their 50s and 60s. 

Where? in russia?

[OlgaH]

Where? in russia?

Yes 

[Jumper]

I see the salesmen alive and well even on this post.  At this point I have absolutely ZERO interest in someone charging me $50-100 or so just to sell me an email address or number of some girl in FSU, whether real or fake.
 
I was only asking if anyone knows a very large site in FSU that operates similarly to Match.com or eharmony in the US, where one just buys a membership for 3 months for about $100 and can communicate freely with a limitless number of real FEMALES (not the pretentious-sounding "ladies", which is a term probably borrowed from brothel/pimp lingo). 

Not interested in "agency", "marriage broker", "bride finder" or any of that BS.
So please save your sales pitch as I don't want to hear what number I am dating in US and what number I am dating in FSU.  If you can't answer the question as posted, please don't answer at all!

They of course do have such websites, and you were told that.
 
 
Almost exact duplicates of myspace, facebook, and yes match etc.
 
but they are in the native language so you'll have some difficulties, even with their english interfaces in place.
Just like if you were on match , and some random woman wrote to you in Tagalog.
 
 
 
Overall this forum is a good resourse, so is google, wiki,
 or a bit of research  on your own?
To get cranky if someone doesn't post the exact links for you,or has thier own sales pitch,  is odd.
 
Anyway-
 
mamba.ru   - a bit more freespirited version of match -
While many RW are on there, many find it quickly boring,just too many  crude  replies ,or insincere men looking for a one night stand,so a waste of time and wont go there again.
 
mail.ru-  a very popular free email website that also has
 myworld, a myspace like section with profiles ,photos , chat
and video chat feature
 
Vkontake - a popular facebook like social medium
 
Odnoklassniki -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odnoklassniki
 
kind of like classmates.com, but i think it's much more popular in the FSU as a social networking site.
 
Keep in mind the social networking sites are just like the USA bases do ones, finding a person on facebook doesnt mean they are in the market..yet tons of dates are arranged thru facebook.
 
Also keep in mind RW are quite aware of places like facebook, skype,myspace, ICQ,etc etc
Also russian based sites like mamba.ru (singles.ru) had thousands of listings in my USA city.It wasn't hard to line up a date with a local RW here, as there were many. In other regions it might be useless locally.
 
 
 
Olga listed many more..
 
I just thought i'd give you one man's perspective on the more popular ones..
 
 
Fundamentally you are asking:
 *is it too much to ask for a very simple answer, to a complex situation*
 
The factors that make the scenerio possible, also muddy the waters.
 
The main stream MOB websites will cater to where their profits are greatest, the keyboard romeo who fantasizes ,but never travels.As such its in their best interest financially to hire women to entertain him for a fee.
These are the big hiiters ,and also many small affiliates in this game.
 
You'll find a few smaller much more legit agencies, but yes they are MOB based (which you said you dint want?)
 
Then you have the russian based dating and social sites where as someone not local, and not a native speaker,
 can have some success,
but its all up to the effort you put into it,  and of course some luck.
If you arnt in their local city, its harder, if you dont speak the language its harder,  you're often viewed first as a
sex tourist, or playboy wanting some international fun..
see the direction?
On those sites you'll often  have to overcome some stereotyping ,
It's the same stereotyping many RW would face if profiles
 on match were still allowed (the reason they arnt anymore)
 
The bad news is there isn't a perfect answer at all..
likely never will be a simple one like you are looking for.
This path is more time intensive, more difficult, and more costly than dating locally.
 The  good news is that both the crappy MOB sites you seem to have had bad luck with , and the russian based dating and social sites, have so many single women, that you should be able to filter some sincere ones out with a bit of effort.
 
but you are wading into muddy waters,
its not nice and clean like dating on match,
or locally, and your pants are likely to get wet and muddy more than a few times , in the process of sorting it all out.
 
 
So don't shoot all the messengers.. 
 
 
 

[Olly]

Yes 

Maybe.... would be good ))))

[OlgaH]

Maybe.... would be good ))))

Not in my observation 

[Daveman]

Yes it is true. In russia man after 45 in general is the old man already

But in the West, we all look young for our ages..      

[Olly]

But in the West, we all look young for our ages..   

Not all 

[OlgaH]

But in the West, we all look young for our ages..   

Just a word "West"  makes a miracle and a big difference 

[Gator]

But in the West, we all look young for our ages..   

The stress of marrying a RW will quicken the rate of aging.  But what a way to go.   

[Olly]

ok what you think how old this man?

[Jumper]

All joking aside,
 
really?
 no one has noticed a difference in west vs FSU , (men and women in regards to aging ) in general?
 Your average west babushka verses a founding member of
the infamous   FSU babushki network ?
Maybe the sunflower seeds , sitting on the poy'diest, and gossiping,  prematurely age them ? I don't know.
What about De'adushka's in both places? 
 
All with a male average lifespan significantly lower in the FSU?
 Life is generally hard there, to gloss that over ,and it's effects seems naive to me.
 Now if one was to be in  Moscow , mostly socializing with corporate executive's  ,or New Russians,  I'm sure they would  not  notice a difference at all.
 
but to  be in an average socio/economic  area of the west , and  likewise look around the same regions in the FSU?   
 
I think there is a difference, a significant one.Most local FSU people living here would agree, and simply shrug and  reply "life is hard there"
 
I do believe the average 40 yo steel worker in Gary Ind, looks younger than his counterpart in the FSU steel mill industry..
It's not that he looks ten years younger than his age, he looks 40, but the FSU man often looks 60, and yes his lifespan generally is much shorter , it's a tragedy
and likely due in no small part to greed and simple circumstance.( Less stringent regulations on pollutants,and a government reluctant to pass or enforce any , while trying to stay viable in an international market)
 
The FSU countries are one of the few industrialized nations in the world with significantly declining populations, there are real reasons for that.
 
 

[Daveman]

ok what you think how old this man?

Well with the current exchange rate, he'd be about 25 in USD(elusion) 

[Vincenzo]

ok what you think how old this man?

He is 45.

[Olly]

He is 45.

Sure?

[Misha]

ok what you think how old this man?

I would guess between 60 and 65.

[Olly]

I would guess between 60 and 65.

more variants? 

[BC]

more variants? 

60's ++

[Olly]

60's ++

ok he is 71 yo. he is russian. but so looking well men a rarity in russia 
and he is my dad