An American is homeless in the Ukraine, his love didn't show up

[ML]

Ugh....ly American behavior.


Quite decent FSU behavior.  Taking care of him in their hospital--help him out with his pneumonia.

Yes, the AM in question did some very ugly things . . . let's name them.

On  the other hand, the UM who played him by writing letters to him pretending to be the woman was quite decent.

[Jumper]

With all the attention he's getting, he's the poster boy that represents every man in this forum. The population in the FSU is declining. It's wise the governments scare women so they'll make babies at home.

 
LOL Billy ..
 
With all the attention you're getting here, your the poster boy that represents every man in this forum.
 
right?
 
 
So ,ever think that might be  why you take so much flack?
 
 It isn't because folks have too much time,  are too uptite about sexual discussions, or are jealous of your prowess ..
but because many perhaps  don't want to be stereotyped along with the MOB image you present of yourself and relationship(s)?
 
 
 

[Jumper]

When he did eventually meet Yulia, sparks didn't exactly fly.
 
"I could tell from the beginning she wasn't interested," said Dolego.  "I hugged her, she didn't hug me back."

 
From the video , he seemed mentally impaired.
 
 
Yet from his responce after meeting her ,
 
he has a basic understanding that several posters over the years havn't got.
 
 
 
 

[acrzybear]

With all the attention he's getting, he's the poster boy that represents every man in this forum. The population in the FSU is declining. It's wise the governments scare women so they'll make babies at home.

So now you know all of the men on this forum, I don't remember meeting you.  We are not worthy of the all knowing all powerful manly man BillyB.  Does this crap ever stop?

[Muzh]

 Does this crap ever stop?

Bear, I don't see it that way.


Ever went to a state fair where there was a clown sitting on a bench and you paid to get three ball to throw at a target so the chair would collapse and he would get wet?


Remember the people around you how much they laughed?


It is comedy relief.

[Jumper]

 
To be fair i believe billyb meant it as stated?
 
 a poster boy, the perception within the FSU ,that would be taken by the general FSU populace ,  as generally accurate for the western men coming over there.
 
 
It doesn't make the perception  or stereotype accurate,
and i dint take it as billy accusing the men here as actually being that stereotype.
 
 

[acrzybear]

Bear, I don't see it that way.


Ever went to a state fair where there was a clown sitting on a bench and you paid to get three ball to throw at a target so the chair would collapse and he would get wet?


Remember the people around you how much they laughed?


It is comedy relief.

Are you saying that BillyB is the clown sitting atop of the dunk tank? If so here's a 20    

[BillyB]

i dint take it as billy accusing the men here as actually being that stereotype.

FSU media, some of it government controlled,  making that guy out as the poster boy that represents us and some think I'm the one claiming he represents us? Drinking and driving posting don't mix.

[SteveOR]

I'm sure he'll be invited everywhere as an expert on Ukrainian brides.

Isn't that just the sad truth.
 
The news monsters the world over are on this story like stink on a pig.  I suppose he'll be on all the talk shows on the idiot box after he returns to the US.  I wonder how many news cycles it will take for this "maroon" and his weird toupee/mullet cut to disappear?
 
New article and quote from the Kyiv post:
 
http://www.kyivpost.com/news/nation/detail/117199/
 

“He feels better now,” says Svitlana Kovalenko, head of the pulmonological department where Dalego has been staying. “The hospital pays for his medical care, and people feed him. Some guys from a local protestant church and caring women bring him food every day.”

Well, thanks to the generous hospitality of the Ukrainian people he won't die of pneumonia or starve. . .
 
 

[BillyB]

The news monsters the world over are on this story like stink on a pig.

No kidding. A buddy of mine who isn't into anything FSU called me to tell me about this story.
 
Good thing former Arizona governer cadidate Cary Dolego wasn't elected last year and had this happen to him. The world media would have more fun with the story.
 
According to the last link you provided, the media recognizes he was a victim of a scam and the profile was fake. I wonder if the local government will take action on the agency that is partially responsible for him being broke.

[Vincenzo]

I'm sure he's doing it on purpose.
How did it happen that ABC filmed his trip to Odessa?

[searching]

From the video , he seemed mentally impaired.

It is not unusual for someone in an unusual environment who is suffering from a prolonged illness to have altered mental status.  Throw in some depression and it's probably a wonder he wasn't speaking in tongues.  Let him get all healed up and back state side and then see how he is doing.

[searching]

 
Based on the video the guy, Carrey Dolego, was played by the agency. Looking at his computer screen we can see his mail inbox at the agency he used. The titles used in the subject line are for guys living fantasy. Real women don't write that way. Also it cost $5.95 to open a letter[/color].

I started a thread on here some time ago about my experience with my AFA account.  I got the thing years ago.  It was pretty quiet.  I did not have a picture up.  Then all of a sudden I started getting messages from women all over the planet that wanted to spend the rest of their lives with me.  I never paid for any of those letters.  All the titles were absurd.  Also a ton of the Ukrainian girls had no email.  C'mon fellas no email?  I've had Eastern European women contact me on American dating sites.  I even ended up Skyping with one Ukrainian girl for quite some time.  Its ridiculous.  Some how I was contacted in America by the one Ukrainian girl who can video chat from home but the rest of the country doesn't even have access to email?!

[SFandEE]

Yes, the AM in question did some very ugly things . . . let's name them.

On  the other hand, the UM who played him by writing letters to him pretending to be the woman was quite decent.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=13188.msg260589#msg260589


If you read my reply #15 on this thread you'll see we agree on your point about the corruption of enticing men through false representations.  Unfortunately I have tired discussing/arguing with a few who post on this site who consider corruption to be the same as capitalism.


Correct--the Ukrainians/Russians who misrepresented themselves to this man were bad actors.  He used poor judgement and represented poor behavior as well.  Therefore, ugh.....ly American.  The people who cared for him appear to be decent.


Let's see who will be the first to post something about caveat emptor.....I have my money on Southern California, but Missouri and Texas might beat him to it.

[Vincenzo]

Another interview with Yulia.

"I didn't write to him. I created a page, uploaded my photos.
But he didn't come to the Ukraine to see me! He arrived in May, and I created my profile in August.
I certainly feel sorry for him. But what kind of love is it? Two months in the Internet, and that's all. No phone calls, no Skype.

I don't want to come to see him anymore.
I don't like that he shows my photos to journalists. I have another relationship. I'm happy that my boyfriend understands me, he is not jealous."

I'm sure she had the boyfriend even when she created her profile.
If Cary shows her pictures online in the videos, her boyfriend doesn't mind that she still "searches" for a foreign lover.

[mies]

"he wouldn't have been able to return to the Ukraine because of a visa problem,"

I didn't know Americans need a visa to enter Ukraine. Do they?

[calmissile]

No, we in the US do not need visas to  go to Ukraine, just a lot of $$$

[Vincenzo]

"he wouldn't have been able to return to the Ukraine because of a visa problem,"

I didn't know Americans need a visa to enter Ukraine. Do they?

Americans need visas if they want to stay for half a year.
Technically, Cary is illegal now, and he'll be denied entrance the next time.

He says that he wants to settle in the Ukraine and needs a better visa.
What do you want? He is only 53, he is a retired policeman. His pension can be very generous, more than $100,000.

[mies]

Americans need visas if they want to stay for half a year.

To stay in Ukraine for 6mo he needs not only a visa, but also money: either savings  or a stable source of income.

Technically, Cary is illegal now, and he'll be denied entrance the next time.

I am trying to imagine a reverse situation: a Ukrainian woman, 45yo went to USA to meet a man who she thought will be her husband. He didn't want to marry her, and instead of returning home to Ukraine, she stayed in USA, illegally. When she ran out of money she didn't go to work (like so many Ukrainian/Russian/Mexican illegals do), but went to live on the streets, continuing to hope that she will meet an American husband with strong family values. USA hospital took her in, treated from pneumonia for free, everyone was very sympathetic about her situation, she wasn't deported back to Ukraine, but was interviewed for many newspapers. Newspapers and TV channels discussed heartless American man who dumped her, another American man came to visit her in the hospital and hugged her but "chemistry wasn't there." She remains in the women's shelter and hopes she will be able to stay in USA to find her dream: a family-oriented handsome, kind, and financially secure American man.

He says that he wants to settle in the Ukraine and needs a better visa.
What do you want? He is only 53, he is a retired policeman. His pension can be very generous, more than $100,000.

I think this story is made up. If he ran out of money and he is a police retiree, doesn't he have any friends or relatives back in USA who can wire him some money so that he doesn't have to live on the streets? How does the marriage agency whose services he used allowed this to happen? When a client becomes homeless this is a bad publicity. And a US video channel was involved. Most likely this is a "reality show" and in the end the hero will get a nice paycheck from the channel rewarding him for his homeless life in Ukraine and his pneumonia.
It's a perfect plot for reality show: a test whether Ukrainian women only want money, or they can genuinely fall in love in a homeless penniless guy and help him out when he is sick. The story has all it takes to attract the viewers:
- the mystery (was the woman a golddigger or not?)
- the suspense: will he be able to survive in Ukraine without visa and money?
- the bad guy (who wrote letters to the American)
- the heartless and whimsy young woman who softened her heart and met the man but didn't fall in love with him
- kind Ukrainian people from social services - who saved the guy from the streets, took to the hospital
- now we need only a woman who will fall in love with this American guy, and a perfect story will be complete.
or, optionally, he needs to return to USA and make a statement that all stories about family-oriented Ukrainian women are the agencies' lies.

[Muzh]

 

Quote from: Vincenzo on Today at 12:45:09 AM <blockquote>Americans need visas if they want to stay for half a year.</blockquote> 

   Not correct. Americans (and a lot of WM) can stay in UA for no more than 90 without a visa. IF they want to stay longer, then they apply for a 6 months visa. After six months they (are supposed to) leave the country and (are supposed to) wait for another six months before obtaining another long term visa.

[ML]

It's a perfect plot for reality show: a test whether Ukrainian women only want money, or they can genuinely fall in love in a homeless penniless guy and help him out when he is sick. The story has all it takes to attract the viewers:
- the mystery (was the woman a golddigger or not?)
- the suspense: will he be able to survive in Ukraine without visa and money?
- the bad guy (who wrote letters to the American)
- the heartless and whimsy young woman who softened her heart and met the man but didn't fall in love with him
- kind Ukrainian people from social services - who saved the guy from the streets, took to the hospital
- now we need only a woman who will fall in love with this American guy, and a perfect story will be complete.

OK Mies, I am in.  If you have some spare time, we could further develop this plot and pitch it to a TV network.  I could play the AM and you could play either the first UW or the final one;  depending on what size jeans you can wear at the time.   

[Vincenzo]

I am trying to imagine a reverse situation: a Ukrainian woman, 45yo went to USA to meet a man who she thought will be her husband.

I don't know about a 45 year-old woman, but a beautiful skinny 35 year-old Ukrainian lady will never be homeless in the USA. I've seen it before. She'll be like a trophy - each man will be happy not only to let her stay at his place, but invite to restaurants, drive her to sights even in other states. Yes, men are so desperate.

Certainly, he wants attention.

He is not the first man who flies from Odessa penniless after whores sucked all his money. I'm sure he was kicked out of the apartment because of orgies.

I read that his children didn't support his endeavors. Though, he asked them to help unblock his account. I'm sure he had enough money after selling his house.
It happened to me too. I opened an account at Citi just for traveling, and the debit card was blocked because "it was too new".

Next time he should come to meet a 40 year-old Ukrainian woman, not fake blondes. Then it'll work.

[GQBlues]

"I didn't write to him. I created a page, uploaded my photos. But he didn't come to the Ukraine to see me! He arrived in May, and I created my profile in August. I certainly feel sorry for him. But what kind of love is it? Two months in the Internet, and that's all. No phone calls, no Skype.

LOL, that's amusing! You'd think that by now FSUWs would no longer be surprised about many AMs propensity to fall madly in love with anyone out of nothing at all. Ferchrissakes, their respective economies had been raking in millions of $$ by that very fact for years now.
 
Heck, they'd even fall madly in love with fat Yuri and hairy Boris in exchange for the pics of pretty ladies they send to them.

[Jumper]

LOL, that's amusing! You'd think that by now FSUWs would no longer be surprised about many AMs propensity to fall madly in love with anyone out of nothing at all. Ferchrissakes, their respective economies had been raking in millions of $$ by that very fact for years now.
 
Heck, they'd even fall madly in love with fat Yuri and hairy Boris in exchange for the pics of pretty ladies they send to them.

that is surprising that she wasn't aware
 
(if anyone would actually believe shes being completely candid in such an interview)
 

"I didn't write to him. I created a page, uploaded my photos. But he didn't come to the Ukraine to see me! He arrived in May, and I created my profile in August. I certainly feel sorry for him. But what kind of love is it? Two months in the Internet, and that's all. No phone calls, no Skype.

 
I don't have the time to research it now,
but  fairly certain i've seen Ms Yulia  on many many sirtes like  dream marriage, AFA ,EM HRB, Anastasia and who knows how many others sites for a long long time..vid chat etc.
 
While profiles are often copied and used in such a way..
 
To think her profile is/was being used by some agency,without her active participation,  is very far fetched , all things considered.(pretty certain she used to log those long shifts that somehow corresponde with western daytime,  in vid chat for DM/anastasia )
 
When the scenerio is caught, what else can the agency or Yulia answer.. ? on my no! it wasn't us!
 
 
 
Heck, I wouldn't doubt mies is right on the reality thing as a TV pilot reasearch project either..
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Vincenzo]

I don't have the time to research it now,
but  fairly certain i've seen Ms Yulia  on many many sirtes like  dream marriage, AFA ,EM HRB, Anastasia and who knows how many others sites for a long long time..vid chat etc.
 

The first photo was of Julia from Odessa. Cary paid $3,000 for a tour to meet her.

Here is Yulia from Chernovtsy.
Her profile was deleted, but it's still in cache.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Jfe_tgkkXyQJ:www.bestdatingnow.com/White_Angel_.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

He's probably met a dozen Julias and hundreds Natashas.