Hello from New York

[Faux Pas]

Ha...  that there is some good advice. You mean that I actually have to work at this ?   The idea of a Russian lady is very new to me and with the help of this website, i am coming up to speed fast. 

If you are serious about it, you have no idea. It is an adventure but, it is also a lot of work and expense. That said; you could just take a lacksadaisical approach and fly but the seat of your pants and que sera sera. Personally, I have always been a "results oriented" kind of guy and need to see things to the end. You might be different. However, to maximize your efforts and minimize your expense it requires some considerable thought, planning and contact. All which is time consuming and expensive in it's own right.

Here's where I'm at.  I have a decent job where I make enough to pay all of my bills plus a little extra,  I have a new house and a cottage (read this as I pay lots for mortgage and taxes).  So i make Ok money but also spend quite a bit.     So i have a big house with only me living there.

All well and good. You will need that little extra and maybe then some to bring any woman into that life. Maybe more because she is from the FSU

I have looked over the women in my area and have not found any that suit me (yet).  I have never been married and no kids but have been in a few long 10 + year rels.  people think it's unusual that a guy like me has not been "caught" yet.   

They're there. You're just not looking in the right place.

But that doesn't mean i want to rush into anything, But i would like to learn what i can to make an informed decision.  and man is there some good info here.

My brain is so full of new info.

Good! Then don't rush into anything. You've come to the right place to learn about this endeavor. Gather all the pertinent information, make your decision and remember, this isn't for just anybody and you aren't "hot wife shopping"

I wonder if it's a bad idea to find someone who wants to travel together from the US to Russia or the Ukraine.  would this make things safe or tie me down.   
I am also struggling with using a service like Jacks/Eduards or going alone after setting up some appointments with ladies from EM.  it is very interesting to learn that there is a 2/1 M/F ratio.  That is depressing.   

Thanks for all the info.

Different strokes for different folks. If you feel you need a wingman or some hand holding to start or through the process, Jack and Eduard come highly recommended. Some do some don't and it's not a reflection either way. Once you actually meet the lady(s) it's just you, her, relationship. You can be uber successful or colossal failure on your own or with somebody. What you are toying with and mulling over right now are only the beginnings and logistics. Good Luck

[celluloidheros]

If you are serious about it, you have no idea. It is an adventure but, it is also a lot of work and expense. That said; you could just take a lacksadaisical approach and fly but the seat of your pants and que sera sera. Personally, I have always been a "results oriented" kind of guy and need to see things to the end. You might be different. However, to maximize your efforts and minimize your expense it requires some considerable thought, planning and contact. All which is time consuming and expensive in it's own right.

Hello,  Many people cannot tell when i'm joking, and i'm sorry for that.  I realize that you DO have to work for this, i like to research thing fully and not make quick decisions .  I would never intentionally take a lacksadaisical or cavalier approach to this, that's why I'm here trying to learn.

On the other hand, every good woman that I've met, I sort of met by accident.    I am very new to internet dating etc... and it seems very foreign to me. 

I like the idea of going to a Russian orthodox church to meet women,  I wonder what the Priest would say when he finds out why i'm there ?   I have heard that the Russian/UKrainian people in my area are a close knit bunch. 

I did join FreePersonals.ru ?  we will see what happens.

As far as jack and eduard go, I stumbled across some old post where these two going at it had me laughing.  i can't tell if they are friends, enemies or stand up comic partners.  I can tell that they are both good at what they do. 

Take care,don

[Faux Pas]

Hello,  Many people cannot tell when i'm joking, and i'm sorry for that.  I realize that you DO have to work for this, i like to research thing fully and not make quick decisions .  I would never intentionally take a lacksadaisical or cavalier approach to this, that's why I'm here trying to learn.

It is the internet written text and often difficult to tell but, no matter. We're not here to impress each other.  Most of us OMB's (old married bastids) are here because guys like you come looking for information. Many/most of us want to insure you get it. Most of us were given it also or, learned it the hard way. We can only offer it to you. What you choose to do with it is up to you. Yes, I do have a sense of humor although, I'm not usually interested in expressing it until I have some sort of camaraderie. Just me.

On the other hand, every good woman that I've met, I sort of met by accident.    I am very new to internet dating etc... and it seems very foreign to me. 

Really? Never been married and just now getting around to internet dating? Never met any women from the internet?

I like the idea of going to a Russian orthodox church to meet women,  I wonder what the Priest would say when he finds out why i'm there ?   I have heard that the Russian/UKrainian people in my area are a close knit bunch. 

Perception maybe but easily penetrable with the proper approach and interest

I did join FreePersonals.ru ?  we will see what happens.

A first step

As far as jack and eduard go, I stumbled across some old post where these two going at it had me laughing.  i can't tell if they are friends, enemies or stand up comic partners.  I can tell that they are both good at what they do. 

Take care,don

As far as I can tell, good guys, both of them but, I have never used their services. They do seem to be they're own worse enemy with the p!ssing matches as those generally do not reflect a professional personna but, they both play the "friend and man on the ground" approach. So perhaps it is useful. 

[celluloidheros]

Really? Never been married and just now getting around to internet dating? Never met any women from the internet?

Hello, Yes, i have met a few women from the internet, most i was not interested in, one I dated for about 2 months and We were not compatible.  another turned into a great friend but not a lover.    one of my big mistakes is that I'm very picky and looking for women younger than me.  in my mind, Im 20 years younger than I really am.   I also wanted a woman that could still have kids with no Downs syndrome or other complications.       One of my great regrets is not getting married and having kids.   It is my fault no one else's, but its not too late.   

One thing that really killed me is that i met this woman would was the best looking women i've ever seen.    But she told me she just wanted to be friends for the time being.  Well We spent a lot of time together and i fell deeply in love with her.    She did not fall in love with me.    Finally she met another guy she wanted to have sex with and it kinda broke my heart because it wasn't me.  She had also been a stripper so I didn't know her exact motives.    i still deep down love her but could see the writing on the wall.   So that kept me away from meeting other woman for a few years.    I may never be able to escape my love for her.   But i must do it,   but it may be hard for me to find someone who approaches her ?   Do i sound like an idiot or a fool ? 

[Faux Pas]

Hello, Yes, i have met a few women from the internet, most i was not interested in, one I dated for about 2 months and We were not compatible.  another turned into a great friend but not a lover. 

 

So then you are not exactly new to internet dating? To be 46 and never married and not tried internet dating would be an anomaly IMHO. This particular endeavor of RW is certainly internet dating with a bigger twist but, internet dating just the same

one of my big mistakes is that I'm very picky and looking for women younger than me.  in my mind, Im 20 years younger than I really am.   I also wanted a woman that could still have kids with no Downs syndrome or other complications.       One of my great regrets is not getting married and having kids.   It is my fault no one else's, but its not too late.   

You're 46 and seek a 26 year old. Not unheard of but, a question with no answer needed. How many 26 year olds have you dated in the last 5 years? I can only guess that number is low if in fact a real number at all. There is a reason for it and you should explore that. To strong arm the situation (of economic disparity) and meet your age goals likely comes with a good measurable risk. Be prepared for it. I only mention this because a woman 26 years old will never be your equal, or you hers. FWIW

One thing that really killed me is that i met this woman would was the best looking women i've ever seen.    But she told me she just wanted to be friends for the time being.  Well We spent a lot of time together and i fell deeply in love with her.    She did not fall in love with me.    Finally she met another guy she wanted to have sex with and it kinda broke my heart because it wasn't me.  She had also been a stripper so I didn't know her exact motives.    i still deep down love her but could see the writing on the wall.   So that kept me away from meeting other woman for a few years.    I may never be able to escape my love for her.   But i must do it,   but it may be hard for me to find someone who approaches her ?   Do i sound like an idiot or a fool ?

A sucker in heat comes to mind. You're 46 years old guy. You should know the difference in love, infatuation and lust by now. There is just so much wrong with your last paragraph there. I mean no disrespect but it exudes/reeks immaturity. Check yourself. Many RW will smell it on you like bad body odor. The nefarious ones will eat you alive and the sincere ones will shy away from you.

[Gator]

I may never be able to escape my love for her.   But i must do it,   but it may be hard for me to find someone who approaches her ? 

It sounds as if you never had sex with her, yet she chose to have sex with someone else.  That means she did not love you.  Your souls never united.   Plus, she's a stripper!  A stripper.  You are from New York.  Is your first name Eliot?  Yes, strippers want love too, yet this stripper did not want to give her love to you.
 
Unrequited love is a bad trip.  Get off that train and have fun with some wonderful women.  One could easily develop into the woman of your dreams.
 
If you do talk with RW, NEVER, repeat NEVER mention this woman.  You seem like the type who would dwell on another woman, talk more about her than the woman in front of you.  This is a RW "NO NO."
 
You already have one problem, that being you are over 40-yo and have never been married.  RW will automatically assume something is wrong with you.  Don't prove their intuition correct by bringing up this stripper who haunts your thoughts and feelings.
 
In reading this, it does sound as if I am disrespecting your feelings.  To get me to be serious about the stripper, you need to explain why she was wonderful, so wonderful that all other women come up short of her.

[Misha]

one of my big mistakes is that I'm very picky and looking for women younger than me.  in my mind, Im 20 years younger than I really am.   I also wanted a woman that could still have kids with no Downs syndrome or other complications.

I hope you do understand that an older woman having a child simply increases the risks of having a child with Down Syndrome, but it does not mean that all older women having children will necessarily give birth to a child with this condition... In other words, nearly all babies that 35-year-olds have will be perfectly healthy.

[celluloidheros]

Hello, I forgot to tell you that me friend was a former stripper.  I met her at the doctors office of all places.  We became friends and I was more infatuated with her beauty than anything.  She had a ton of problems and i helped her through them, she is now back in school and doing great.  She told me right from the start that she wasnt ready for a relationship with anyone.   I guess that I fell in lust with her more than love.  But I also liked her child too, she was a great kid.  I told her many times that i loved her and she just laughed.   I can and will get over her, yet while she continues to come ovetr and visit, it is hard to dismiss and forget her. Im telling you that physically she really does it for me.  I like everything about her.  But since she was molested by her step father when she was 8-14. I think she deep down hates older guys.  She told me being a stripper gave her power over men.   again she has not been stripping for 3-4 years.  She has a 3 year old daughter.  she had not had sex for 2 years until recently when a few old friends moved back to town, that's all she will tell me and all i want to know.  I need to move on but she does not want to lose my friendship and all the full tanks of gas i provide (LOL..and crying)   , whats weird is that I feel like her father for than anything.   

I am not looking for a 26 year old, i would like to find a 35-40 year old.  I realize that most 35 yr olds babies are healthy but what about 45 yr olds babies, that is if I date someone closer to my age ? would that be dangerous.

I never said that i was mature, I actually think that I am quite immature on many levels, but smart about many things too. 

I was in two long term 10+ yr relationships where I was as good as married and if we would have had kids, we would have been married.

I do understand that being my age and never marrried is odd, but Is is better to be divorced ?  In many churches they kick you out. I have a Urkrainian friend here who was kicked out of her pentecostal church for getting divorced.

I am new to internet dating because I joined Eharmony and met a few people right away,  But that has all been within the last year.  I consider that new I guess.

I do appreciate all the help and i do take advice well,  women really like me when we first meet and i do better in person than with pictures.   I have no problem talking but i can be a little shy at first. 

I never expected to talk about any of this stuff, but there's more lots more, stay tuned. 

Take care, Don 

[GQBlues]

....Well We spent a lot of time together and i fell deeply in love with her.....

Yeah, well, exactly how many lap dance/s did that take?     Seriously though...what FP said.

[celluloidheros]

I hear you, but I didnt know her when she was a stripper. i met her at the docs office, I knew her for a few months before she shared her past with me.  If I had met her in a strip club and gotten lap dances, I would be in a much better place right now.  by that I mean, I would have not invested any personal feelings into our friendship.

Her and i had a great friendship and did so many cool things, she didn't drink/smoke/use drugs etc..  thats what was so entrapping for me. 

But you guys are right, once a stripper, always a stripper. 

Hopefully I will start thinking with big head and not small head. 

So what should I do with her, and what shoiuld I do with our freindship. I told her that If I had a GF, that I couldn't really see her.   She never liked that of course.  and my friendship with her did F-up one relationship.

I know, I know I need to get over her, I think that time apart will do it.  but also meeting the right girl at the right time will help.  I am a faithful guy, I have never once cheated on a gf.   It will take quite awhile to meet a girl from the FSU, plenty of time to forget Mel. 

[celluloidheros]

Oh, as far as new york goes, i love in rochester ny, which is not near NYC. closer to buffalo/toronto.   I do not have a NYC attitude, I hope. 

[GQBlues]

There's a member here named TwoBit Bandit, you can even read his T/R for some good reading Don, if nothing else. He talked a lot about getting women into your frame.
 
In hindsight, you were much too nice and attentive to this gal inspite of yourself. *That*, is usually the biggest mistake men make when they trek down FSU lane. So toughen up a little, wash this gal out of your hair and move on. If you can't, then getting involved with a woman with relationship overtone while you're in this state with someone else is a recipe for disaster.
 
Good luck, man.

[celluloidheros]

 

So then you are not exactly new to internet dating? To be 46 and never married and not tried internet dating would be an anomaly IMHO. This particular endeavor of RW is certainly internet dating with a bigger twist but, internet dating just the same

My first long term relationship was with my chiropractor, i was her first patient, i cooked her lunch and that was that, 15 years later i guess we were sick of each other but still are great freinds even today,  my next relationship I jumped into with a coworker when the previous was still warm and that lasted a long time too but again things cooled off.  maybe its me ?   maybe if we were married and had kids and I was more mature and worked at it more it would have been better. I blame noone but me.  but that's the past, and im ready to take what ive learned and find a great lady if possible.

[celluloidheros]

There's a member here named TwoBit Bandit, you can even read his T/R for some good reading Don, if nothing else. He talked a lot about getting women into your frame.
 
In hindsight, you were much too nice and attentive to this gal inspite of yourself. *That*, is usually the biggest mistake men make when they trek down FSU lane. So toughen up a little, wash this gal out of your hair and move on. If you can't, then getting involved with a woman with relationship overtone while you're in this state with someone else is a recipe for disaster.
 
Good luck, man.

Solid advice GQ, In realize now it ws a mistake.  But the things that i did for her like buying her contacts/glasses and getting her cavities filled, helping her get into college etc..  they all seem like positve things for her and really benefitted her life.  It took me 18 months to realize all the bad shit that she had been through and learn what the abuse and stripping had turned her into.  she really may have borderline split personality disorder, at least thats what her doc told me.   

so i will toughen up and I am ready to find a normal girl be it here or in the FSU.  It just seems that If i want a family and a girl 35-40 that is not too fat etc.. that the FSU might be a good place. I hang out quite a bit with a russian family and I really like them.  I will read up on TwoBit Bandit , thx 

[celluloidheros]

GQ, have you found an FSU GF ?  Are you still looking ?  I have been thinking about just taking a trip over to Russia, maybe to go skiing and neet some women casually to see what they are like before I get serious.  I am debating whether to use a guide like Jack, those pictures he posts of all the eye candy drive me nuts. they definately have the desired effect.  i think im in love, not sure with which one though. lol.   

[ML]

Those photos that Jack posts are not real.  They have been "photoshopped"

He had to do something to the pics because, in reality, these FSU women are mostly fat and fairly ugly in face.

You heard it here first!!   

[GQBlues]

GQ, have you found an FSU GF ?  Are you still looking ?  I have been thinking about just taking a trip over to Russia, maybe to go skiing and neet some women casually to see what they are like before I get serious.  I am debating whether to use a guide like Jack, those pictures he posts of all the eye candy drive me nuts. they definately have the desired effect.  i think im in love, not sure with which one though. lol. 

Happily married the last 7 years, Don.
 
My spidey sense is picking a lot of signals of apprehension and uncertainty eminating from you so I won't even try to ask why and just let you reconcile whatever that is with yourself.
 
I've never been a big fan of wingmen. More times than not, they're just excess and unwanted baggage. Major PITA. I love hanging out with my boyz back in the days, but I prefer to be in the company of pretty women more, know what I mean? So I pick my spots. I like to fly solo whenever or wherever. Total rush for me.
 
Internet is cool, I suppose, but to me there's no comparision in doing things live, up-close and personal, and as spontaneous as possible. Get out in your town where the playing is good. Pack an ounce of attitude and a snippet of confidence and just let things play itself out. The ladies will love you for it. Then it'll be just like a drug.
 
If you're planning on testing the waters in FSU and is pondering using either Jack or Eduard, I suggest you speak to either of them. I didn't used either, nor will I if I'm still single for no other reason than it's just not me. I may be wrong but I'm not sure if either of them will be open to someone who is just testing the waters since I believe their baseline is  for marriage. Anyway, I have a friend from Nocal who goes in and out of Ukraine by himself and just have loads of fun and living his single life to the fullest.
 
Geez...if I was still single today, I'd book myself a niche in London for the summer Olympics, Mardi Gras in Rio, springbreak in Cancun/Havasu/Daytona, etc...hit Brazil, Venezuela, Prague, Bratislava, Slovakia, etc...and just have a great time. Heck, hit Rio poolside or even the circle bar in Vegas.
 
Why sit home alone and look at marriage sites as some form of antidote for your 'loneliness'. Get married when you know you're ready to be married. Not because you're uncomfortable being 'alone'. Methinks you get into some of these relationships as some form of theraphy. Like you need to be significant for someone. Forget that, man. Make this time in your life to be the greatest period until the time you REALLY want to settle down. It'll come, trust me. Until then, don't force it.
 
Go to Russia. Alone. Hit St Petersburg during their white nights. Get a lot of information here, or sign up at Virtual Tourist. There's a load of information in that site regarding things you need to know if you travel there. Network into that type of community without the marriage mentality.
 
Once you get that first one behind you, trust me, it'll get easier everytime...then you might even like it.....too much! I did.
 
Anyway, whatever you decide, good luck. Ask these guys here for whatever info you need.

[Mark Davis]

Hey, Don:


You've got a buddy in CO that's been bugging me to drop you a note. 


It looks like you're well on your way to researching your options overseas.  Here are my thoughts for you.

• Get a clear picture of what your life would be like with your ideal woman.  It will make it easier to know when you may be with her.
• Plan on going with a tour for your first outing.  They take care of all of the details and present you with the most options.
• Be sure you have a translator who is your advocate; not the lady's friend or working to burn hours for a local agency.
• Learn what FSU women are looking and how to win their hearts.  Here's my wife's story about her life growing up in Ukraine and what she was looking for:  http://europeandreamconnections.com/annas-story/
• Understand that they like to be pursued, like a man who is fun to be around, and like a man who leads.
• Once you are at your private dates you want to assess which one is really making your heart jump.
• Then you want to see if she feels the same way.
• Then you can talk about your various beliefs and desires for life to see if they're a match.  You have to find someone that lights up your world first, then talk about a potential life together.

I saw your question wondering if a man in his 30's will do well.  In the past year nearly half of our clients have been in their 30's - and have done very well.  It's the sweet spot in the age zone.  You'll get more attention than you'd ever imagined.


Those are my thoughts for you.


Tell Brent I got back to you!  lol


Mark

[celluloidheros]

I saw your question wondering if a man in his 30's will do well.  In the past year nearly half of our clients have been in their 30's - and have done very well.  It's the sweet spot in the age zone.  You'll get more attention than you'd ever imagined

Hi Mark, you must have misinterpreted my posts.  I am pushing 50, I would like to find a lady in her 30's who wants to have a family.  If i can't find that and I'm noyt going to have a family then her age seems less important.  For example I'm met a few ldies in there mid 40's who in all honesty would be a must better maytch for me and have a higher percentage chance of staying togther with me. 

Can you give me a break down of the percentages of the value you provide ?  We dont have to get into how much you charge. for example your cost might be 10 % for the translator, 40% profit, 10 % fee for your wife to find ladies, 20 % for hotels, 10% for transportation.

I watched part of the video, while I like bars, usually they are loud and make it hard to talk, iyt would be cool to find a place that had a bar and also a quiet area where people could go to talk. 

I am wondering why you chose Odessa, if you read the posts here many people had the sentiment that it was one of the drier towns,  Of course you know what they say about free advice and i trust that you hav done your homework.   If I find the thread about odessa, i will post it. 

Thanks, don 

[Patagonie]

Hello, I forgot to tell you that me friend was a former stripper.  I met her at the doctors office of all places.  We became friends (the purpose of meeting between a male and a female is not to be friends) and I was more infatuated with her beauty than anything (if you are impressed by beauty of women you would have more problems in FSU than in US).  She had a ton of problems and i helped her through them (You have lost your time and helping such a girl you woud never win her love, perhaps her ass one time if she is too depressed or too drunk), she is now back in school and doing great.  She told me right from the start that she wasnt ready for a relationship with anyone (usually BS of woman who shows that you need to grow about women. Typical BS  they say when they are not interested in you. But it seems to be that she can have sex with other anytime she wants - i propose you  to BE sexual (to be sexual is not to joke about sex or propose to have sex : it's to show male attitude in every compartiment of life and also verbally)) .   I guess that I fell in lust with her more than love.  But I also liked her child too, she was a great kid.  I told her many times that i loved her and she just laughed .   I can and will get over her, yet while she continues to come ovetr and visit, it is hard to dismiss and forget her. Im telling you that physically she really does it for me.  I like everything about her (you are dreaming her, stop to fantasm, stop to idealize, you don't even know if she is good at sex).  But since she was molested by her step father when she was 8-14 (this her problem. I think she deep down hates older guys.  She told me being a stripper gave her power over men (ang being her doormat, a nice guy, would let you stucked in your life, you will not advance of one inch).   again she has not been stripping for 3-4 years.  She has a 3 year old daughter.  she had not had sex for 2 years until recently when a few old friends moved back to town (do you spend nights and days with her to be sure ?), that's all she will tell me and all i want to know (all you don't want to know, but it will help you to recover and be free of her).  I need to move on but she does not want to lose my friendship and all the full tanks of gas i provide (LOL..and crying) (in this situation, i would advice you to avoid her calls and stop to call her, you need to put a wall to make your mourning, you are confused by this woman in your life, time to eject her) , whats weird is that I feel like her father for than anything (if you are confusing between getting her ass and your desire to have childrens...  ).   

I am not looking for a 26 year old, i would like to find a 35-40 year old.  I realize that most 35 yr olds babies are healthy but what about 45 yr olds babies, that is if I date someone closer to my age ? would that be dangerous.

I never said that i was mature, I actually think that I am quite immature on many levels, but smart about many things too. 

I was in two long term 10+ yr relationships where I was as good as married and if we would have had kids, we would have been married.

I do understand that being my age and never marrried is odd, but Is is better to be divorced ?  In many churches they kick you out. I have a Urkrainian friend here who was kicked out of her pentecostal church for getting divorced.

I am new to internet dating because I joined Eharmony and met a few people right away,  But that has all been within the last year.  I consider that new I guess.

I do appreciate all the help and i do take advice well,  women really like me when we first meet and i do better in person than with pictures.   I have no problem talking but i can be a little shy at first. 

(with all my respect if i were you i would examine carefully what, in my past, push me to try to repare such girls whom are pure loosers. I have done such work in my life and i have got more informations about me in preference to the girl, in such type of meeting)

I never expected to talk about any of this stuff, but there's more lots more, stay tuned. 

Take care, Don

[celluloidheros]

Hey Patagonie, thanks for the info.    There was really only one girl, that you would term as a loser.  the only thing was that she had been a loser in her past and seemed to be trying to better herself.   But i was sucked in by her beauty too,  i had never vgotten close to a woman like this.  She wasz truely something to behold for me.  I was in awe and not thinking clearly. 

you are right, I need to think about this and examine.  The thing is even though i haven't seen her in a few weeks.  I'm not sure that she is out of my life for ever. 

Thanks for the advice.   

[Gator]

Those photos that Jack posts are not real.  They have been "photoshopped"

He had to do something to the pics because, in reality, these FSU women are mostly fat and fairly ugly in face.

You heard it here first!!   

Surely you jest.  If photoshopped, he has done some superb work.  Also, Jack has one million photos.  If he spent only 30 minutes per photo, it would take him 240 man-years to photoshop his entire collection.
If you are serious, I suggest you offer some proof. 

[Patagonie]

Hey Patagonie, thanks for the info.    There was really only one girl, that you would term as a loser.  the only thing was that she had been a loser in her past and seemed to be trying to better herself.   But i was sucked in by her beauty too,  i had never vgotten close to a woman like this.  She wasz truely something to behold for me.  I was in awe and not thinking clearly. 

you are right, I need to think about this and examine.  The thing is even though i haven't seen her in a few weeks.  I'm not sure that she is out of my life for ever. 

Thanks for the advice.

 

Guessing you i would give you two directions : 

The first is to go to jack's tour as soon as possible. He surely schedules one for september, and perhaps earlier. In my opinion it will be the right thing for you, you will be protected, you will have his advice, you will travel, meet dozens ladies, have fun and will discover Ukraine for a reasonable price. If you go by your own, using even good sites, you will hit the hard way directly. If you use personal coach, the price will scare you. Of course I HAVE NO BUSINESS with Jack.   

The second, as you have time before the travel, is to use a professional coach for seduction, and till your departure to Ukraine to train yourself and go to "hit" as many woman you can. By hit you put what you want :  begin conversation and tell her a sentence of Jack Kerouac, ask her the direction of (the opera, the sex shop), ask her you need to buy a car and you hesitate between two colors, ask her phone number (not at first sec), get a date, get to bed.   
Do it as many time possible since you take off to Ukraine. It will help you a lot, for your whole life. Anyway go to specialized forums and communities and you will have an other picture of the way you can handle relationship between men and women. It can even be a big shock for you. You could be surprised.

For both i recommend to never forget the axiom life which is : have pleasure, enjoy. If you suffer pain or are upset beside someone, walk away.

[celluloidheros]

Surely you jest.  If photoshopped, he has done some superb work.  Also, Jack has one million photos.  If he spent only 30 minutes per photo, it would take him 240 man-years to photoshop his entire collection.
If you are serious, I suggest you offer some proof.

he's joking, jacks photos are all real, but that doesn't mean that jack knows them all or that jack can deliver them to your doorstep. 

Does anyone have any experience with Mark's company  EDC  European dream connections ?  he seesm to be an honest guy who has a ukrainian wife.  He does marriage tours to the ukraine.  he provides Hotel, translator, some food, cell phone and some introductions.  You have to pay for the flights.  he charges close to 5000.  my guess is that by the time you pay for your plane flight and extras that you are up to 7500 or so. 

Terps are always a question, I like the idea of having pretty ones who are not married.  i assume that lots of tour guys fall for the terps   You can go the other way with the 65 yr old babushkas cuz they can do the weeding out of the scammers for you.   

If you've never been to the Ukraine, should you hire a guide, if so what type.

i thought about doing the following

Joining Freepersonals.ru, choosing a geographic area (say Knakiv or Poltova), post a solid profile with recent good pictures.

Choose a date that you are going to fly over there for at least a week, maybe 2.    Make a plane flight.  Rent an apartment and interpretor  (there are a few here on RWD that are good).

The tours meet you at the airport,  Is taxi the best way to travel, how do you avoid ripoffs in the taxi rate ? 

Find out how to make my Cell and computer work in the ukraine ?  Any ideas on a SIM card or laptop wifi or whatever ?    What is the best way to communicate while in Ukraine ?  i have a smart phone verizon HTC Thunderball, is the Ukraine CDMA, GSM, TDMA ?  I use a CDMA phone. 

I would start lining up ladys for dates, do most ladys work during the day ?      Would they take off work to meet me or should I be aware of someone who wasnt working during the day, like maybe I was her job and she was a pro ? 

the tours tell you they do the weeding and instead of 10 women I could set-up myself  to meet there might be 200, but i might be able to ask an interpretor to do some legwork for me.

The tours feed you a steak dinner, take you bowling and for a horseback ride.  I'm guessing that the local girls can set these things up.

The tours will also provide advice on dating etc.... 

They will help you will the Visa process etc...    i think this forum is just as good.   

So is 4600 worth it ?  it just might be for the first time as long as you have an extra 6000 laying around. 

Thanks, Don 

[celluloidheros]

The second, as you have time before the travel, is to use a professional coach for seduction, and till your departure to Ukraine to train yourself and go to "hit" as many woman you can. By hit you put what you want :  begin conversation and tell her a sentence of Jack Kerouac, ask her the direction of (the opera, the sex shop), ask her you need to buy a car and you hesitate between two colors, ask her phone number (not at first sec), get a date, get to bed

But would that help me find a good wife ?   It sounds like a lot of fun but would you want a woman to be your wife that would sleep with you on the first date.   Or is that just advice to get things out of my system and then go find a wife ?   

i like the idea about buying a car and can't decide about the color .  That's great. 

Thanks for the advice, i do appreciate all of it from the bottom of my heart.  Don