scammed by yeva4u

[Faux Pas]

FP,  bruttus was very honest and open with what was going on.   bruttus did not realize he was being scammed even during the middle of the scam.  Some of the things bruttus told me I could not believe.

I am not talking about anything bruttus is referencing today. We are talking about something that happened maybe 5-6 months ago.  Can you believe having to pay $75 a day, everyday, for a driver in Kharkov?  With Kharkov's efficient metro, with Kharkov's very reasonable taxi rates, with so much of everything we do and see in Kharkov refined to a relatively small footprint, can you imagine how much driving one would have to do to warrant a $75 a day driver fee?

Jack we've heard bruttus's story hundreds of times. Also, time and time again a victim seeks some form of retribution and that just realistically, isn't going to happen. I just caution you on your encouraging bruttus. You know likely more than anyone, his pleas will fall on deaf ears. At the end of the day when his efforts are over with, he will have accomplished exactly dick. If by some million to one chance he does exact any form of revenge/retribution on those who wronged him, it won't save the next willing victim.

bruttus did not write me at first, I wrote him when I saw some things not adding up.  bruttus did not want to believe he was being scammed, was in denial, and was not until sometime later he realized he had been had.  I asked bruttus questions, many questions. Their is a lot he did not write about on the forum.  bruttus was good enough to answer my questions.   Once bruttus had realized he had been scammed his main concern was not for himself but for others.  And I DO know of others who had been scammed in the same manner.  I told bruttus I would address his experience, things done to him during his scam, etc.  But for many reasons, mostly medical, I was not able to find the time to post.

Jack I think it a plus that you helped bruttus see the light. I really do. I think it a negative that you would encourage to continue to seek retribution on these people. IMHO, bruttus has now learned who they are and how they operate. He's paid for that learning experience, he paid in more ways than one. He can't capitalize on that unwilling investment unless he puts it to good use and continues his search staying away from the leeches.

And FP their were some cheap shots taken at bruttus during this time. Most the cheap shots as I recall were taken by what we might consider some of the more experienced old timers around here.  I have noticed it's not so often that new guys, guy's with not so much experience, are taking the cheap shots.

Such is the life on fora. You know that as well as anyone Jack. You also know often people learn from those "cheap shots". Some people will only learn from those. bruttus has been around here for a while. He's been warned about the possibilities. bruttus's biggest problem IMHO is his lack of logic and rationale. Scammers are crawling all over the FSU and at every nook and cranny. The best defense against them is to steer guys away from them to start with. Men in this pursuit don't need a "champion". Just to find a quality lady. bruttus's efforts are solely self serving and that's fine but, let's call it what it is. He won't accomplish squat and he won't slow any scammers. What he will do is waste more time dealing with scammers and not finding the woman he sought in the first place.

[Shadow]

thanks for the warnings
but i asked only to RE-OPEN there yeva4u Profiles, because they refuse to open it on a normal way
the rest will go to the hands of the laywer

edit
this is a thought for mila, if you are a transluator, and you are selling your services to foreing men so that your genuine girls can learn english, why is that the genuine girl that i met there, go to school to learn english.
about the spanish part, i do understand

I do hope the lawyer is no-cure no-pay.

[CDW]

Faux Pas

Are you going to tell to all the rape victims to forget and move on  - and not to fight their rights???   The rapists will rape again.............. just like the scammers will scam again.

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas

Are you going to tell to all the rape victims to forget and move on  - and not to fight their rights???   The rapists will rape again.............. just like the scammers will scam again.

bruttus was raped? Please point out where he stated that?

For you to state that scammed and raped are even anywhere close to being the same thing just further shows your ignorance. Try telling that to a victim of rape

 

[Shadow]

Faux Pas

Are you going to tell to all the rape victims to forget and move on  - and not to fight their rights???   The rapists will rape again.............. just like the scammers will scam again.

Cancel your trip to Ukraine.

[jone]

I will suggest to all of you that it would be very surprising if Bruttus is scammed again.  I doubt he will be sending any women any money. 

I think that the point that many of us (some more blatantly than others - hint, hint, FP) is that if you use the fact that you have been scammed as a learning tool, rather than a means for vengeance, that you will have learned your life lesson. 

And the life lesson that we hope you don't learn is that women are tricksters and shouldn't be trusted.  We hope, Bruttus, that you will be successful in future relationships that do not involve giving women money, or being the dupe.  But we also hope that you WILL have future relationships. 

Life is too short to not enjoy it. 

The likelihood of a woman having a police record for taking a man's money is remote.  In Ukraine, it is beyond remote.  The only possible action, some day, is if the governments unite in prohibiting the advertising by agencies like the one that scammed you.  But two hundred years from now, if you sit down at a bar in Luna City, on the Moon, and you look down at the end of the bar there will be a painted woman waiting for you to buy her colored water for a nasty sum.  And she will speak honey in your ear and you will wake up the next day with a terrible hangover and your wallet will be empty.  The same as two hundred years in the past.

God bless women, what would we do without them?

[CDW]

bruttus was raped? Please point out where he stated that?

For you to state that scammed and raped are even anywhere close to being the same thing just further shows your ignorance. Try telling that to a victim of rape

 

you are the one who is the ignorant - not me!!


Same thing.  Victim of scammer instead of rape, and you are telling him to forget about being scammed and start moving on......................

It is exactly the same way as you are telling someone who was raped..... telling her to forget about being raped and start moving on.....................

[CDW]

Cancel your trip to Ukraine.

What has it got to do with my cancellation???????????????????  I wasn't the victim !!

[Faux Pas]

you are the one who is the ignorant - not me!!


Same thing.  Victim of scammer instead of rape, and you are telling him to forget about being scammed and start moving on......................

It is exactly the same way as you are telling someone who was raped..... telling her to forget about being raped and start moving on.....................

Really? You are obviously too dense for me to attempt to explain the differences of the two.

I'm with shadow, cancel your trip to Ukraine

[CDW]

I think that the point that many of us (some more blatantly than others - hint, hint, FP) is that if you use the fact that you have been scammed as a learning tool, rather than a means for vengeance, that you will have learned your life lesson. 

Will a rapist who had been raped - as a learning tool, rather than a means for vengeance, that she will have learned her life lesson .......... and start moving on?????????


Bruttus had already learnt his lesson, but he wants to make sure that they will not scam anyone else in the future, the same was as a woman of rape victim will want to make sure that they will not rape anyone else in the future.

It is no difference between getting scammed or raped in terms of "logical"

[bruttus]

I'm gonna give 1 piece that i think it can be used as evidence in court, and it make also sense why i asked to open there and mine profiles from yeva4u and from 1 girl here vkontaktprofile
mine apologies if i use names now

in mine old cellphone, there is a message that i have send-ed o, 26/06 to marina to tell here that i send ed money tru WU, that money is for elizaveta for here travelpapers, to visit mine country. I told here that she needed it before 28/06.
at yeva4u, that's why i want that they open there accounts again, is that I and elizaveta had a discussion about the subject, and told her, if you not come, find a solution to repay me that money back.
at first she told me, i promised to help her, and because of that promise she finds that i had no right to ask that back
and a couple letters later she simply Say's that i never gave here money and she never promised to me that she would visit mine country
it Say's nothing, and that's why i want that the other girl opens her vkontaktprofile, because in her profile, on 26/06, the same day that i sended a textmessage and the money, they had a conversation about what buscompany they should take to visit Italy

if i can combine those things together,
-the WU moneytransfer on 26/06/11
-the letters at yeva4u about the subject, day's and weeks later ( i asked her a couple times when she come, always had a different story ready)
-mine textmessage on 26/06/11, with the mtcn, amount of USD and for who and why she needed it
-the conversation about there plans to go to Italy at her vkontaktprofile

this is one of these things that i found out, and i think a lawyer can make a link between these things

about the complains, like Eduard tells, to tell it to other antiscam forums, i agree with that, but those scammers don't care about it
they delete there profile, and make in the same agency a new one
also, most people have a direct link to that agency, or search the link up in there history, so i don't think its usefull to complain about this on the internet, because allot of people don't read it
and on the other thing i try to do something about it, this is who i am, after being used again to a person that i trusted, i find its time to fight against it

and yes, I'm now very carefull right now, i have learnt not to ignore the signs of red flags and not using any datingagency's

[CDW]

Really? You are obviously too dense for me to attempt to explain the differences of the two.

I'm with shadow, cancel your trip to Ukraine

No, it is you that do not understand!!!  You have no loigical minds at all

[CDW]

Really? You are obviously too dense for me to attempt to explain the differences of the two.

I'm with shadow, cancel your trip to Ukraine

WHAT HAS CANCELLATION TO DO WITH THIS POSTING??? I AM NOT THE VICTIM !!!

[Hammer2722]

WHAT HAS CANCELLATION TO DO WITH THIS POSTING??? I AM NOT THE VICTIM !!!

   English is obviously not his first language. I hope......

[jone]

CDW,

You know I like you.  And you know that I hope that you find who you are looking for.  I am afraid FP does not mince words.  Shadow, in his arch way was saying that neither you, nor Bruttus understand the way an FSU country, in particular, Ukraine, works. 

If they were to elaborate, they would say that the type of scam that was operated on Bruttus is a common, everyday occurrence in Ukraine.  No one cares.  No one is going to care.  Period.

You can throw how ever many lawyers you want.  You can complain to however many authorities you want.  It is beyond the jurisdiction of your governments.  It is in the jurisdiction of a government that has much more important things to worry about.  This government does not even consider it a crime!

If vengeance is what you seek, you would have better luck hiring a hit-man.  (I'm not saying that you should.)

Now, differ that with the caustic remark you made about rape and you would see that people see these things with a totally different point of view.  This is a brutal crime.  It is done by a seriously demented criminal.  Every police agency in the world would pursue it. 

I think that the objectivity lesson that is presented is that there is a different world operating in these FSU countries.  If you cannot understand them and play according to their rules, then you will always fail and never succeed.  I wish you both well.  But I tell you both it is obviously not as simplistic or idealistic as either of you would have us believe.

Good luck!!

Jon

[CDW]

   English is obviously not his first language. I hope......

What has English got to do with it?   You are going to marry a Ukrainian lady, so are you going to mock her that English isn't her 1st language?

[CDW]

CDW,

You know I like you.  And you know that I hope that you find who you are looking for.  I am afraid FP does not mince words.  Shadow, in his arch way was saying that neither you, nor Bruttus understand the way an FSU country, in particular, Ukraine, works. 

If they were to elaborate, they would say that the type of scam that was operated on Bruttus is a common, everyday occurrence in Ukraine.  No one cares.  No one is going to care.  Period.

You can throw how ever many lawyers you want.  You can complain to however many authorities you want.  It is beyond the jurisdiction of your governments.  It is in the jurisdiction of a government that has much more important things to worry about.  This government does not even consider it a crime!

If vengeance is what you seek, you would have better luck hiring a hit-man.  (I'm not saying that you should.)

Now, differ that with the caustic remark you made about rape and you would see that people see these things with a totally different point of view.  This is a brutal crime.  It is done by a seriously demented criminal.  Every police agency in the world would pursue it. 

I think that the objectivity lesson that is presented is that there is a different world operating in these FSU countries.  If you cannot understand them and play according to their rules, then you will always fail and never succeed.  I wish you both well.  But I tell you both it is obviously not as simplistic or idealistic as either of you would have us believe.

Good luck!!

Jon

Once again I am not the victim, and have never been scammed other than Lance Armstrong!

I am supporting Bruttus but many of you are putting him down, because they aren't showing their support on him.  They would rather be victim themselves than fight for the rights.   

If Bruttus is happy to help others, let him do it, but why are you people putting him down?  By telling him to waste his time? 

[Daveman]

CDW,

You know I like you.  And you know that I hope that you find who you are looking for.  I am afraid FP does not mince words.  Shadow, in his arch way was saying that neither you, nor Bruttus understand the way an FSU country, in particular, Ukraine, works. 

If they were to elaborate, they would say that the type of scam that was operated on Bruttus is a common, everyday occurrence in Ukraine.  No one cares.  No one is going to care.  Period.

...

Not only this.. it is the prevalent mentality that anyone who is/was scammed deserves/deserved to be scammed because they should not have allowed it to happen. The "lox" scenario.  I could be mistaken, but I'd bet - win or lose - that from the top down in Ukraine,  Bruttus will be considered - at best - a lox. At worst, the corrupt legal system will 'protect their own'.




That being said, this really isn't as much about vengeance as it may seem.  I'd also bet that this is about snatching self empowerment from the jaws of impotence.  A victim is powerless.  A crusader isn't. 

[jone]

We are suggesting to him that there is no direct way to handle this woman.  Period. 

A while ago someone suggested that we should report scammers to the authorities.  It got the biggest laugh on here because there are no authorities to report to.  Let me elaborate:  Do you know that all of the pirate media operates out of Ukraine?   

If you want to download a movie, illegally, the servers for that movie would be in Ukraine, not some Stan country.  Demonoid, one of the biggest Torrent companies was finally brought down by a deal made with US authorities and a viral attack on the servers.  The servers were operated in, you guessed it, Ukraine.  Even though the company was operated out of Mexico.

I choose not to paint a picture of the current government in Ukraine and the way the police operate on this forum because I am currently a expatriate resident here.  But, while Bruttus' sentiments are admirable, they are also VERY naive.   You would be doing him a great service to tell him to move on and find him a woman that will make him happy and forget the scammer that took his money.  Absent that, you will probably get more arch, poorly thought out and ill conceived remarks directed at you.

[jone]

That being said, this really isn't as much about vengeance as it may seem.  I'd also bet that this is about snatching self empowerment from the jaws of impotence. A victim is powerless.  A crusader isn't.

Interesting thought.  I'll buy that.  Crusader, huh?

I'm a crusader.  And a healer.  Virginity is a disease.  And I'm out to cure it!

- Dr. Feelgood

[Eduard]

Bruttus will be considered - at best - a lox. At worst, the corrupt legal system will 'protect their own'.

Lox = Smoked salmon who couldn't get a bagel for his cream cheese     Did I get it right, Daveman?

[Faux Pas]

CDW

There is no one that bruttus can help with this masquerade other than himself. Other men going into this with the mindset he did won't be swayed from the fantasy fueled dreamworld anymore than he was. The truth be known, as most here have stated, there is no good ending for bruttus even if he is successful in some measure of revenge. That chance is remote.

[CDW]

CDW

There is no one that bruttus can help with this masquerade other than himself. Other men going into this with the mindset he did won't be swayed from the fantasy fueled dreamworld anymore than he was. The truth be known, as most here have stated, there is no good ending for bruttus even if he is successful in some measure of revenge. That chance is remote.

Still scammers have no rights to scam anyone as much as murderers have no right to kill anyone or rapists to rape anyone, or thieves to steal anyone.

Suppose a thief had stolen your Apple Mac, iPad, iPod, Blackberry, your car, you would want to report it to the police even if they might not catch the thief !!!   or, you are going to let the dog lie and move on ??????

 

[Faux Pas]

Still scammers have no rights to scam anyone as much as murderers have no right to kill anyone or rapists to rape anyone, or thieves to steal anyone.

Suppose a thief had stolen your Apple Mac, iPad, iPod, Blackberry, your car, you would want to report it to the police even if they might not catch the thief !!!   or, you are going to let the dog lie and move on ??????

I'm going to be much more careful with my Mac next time. There will always be inherently bad people out to take advantage of you. Not allowing them to do it is the only real defense you have. And quit with the rape/murder bullshit. Nobody killed bruttus or raped him and took his money. "HE" willingly took out of his pocket and gave it to them. Others are not to blame for your own stupidity

[bruttus]

telling this, its good that so many people are worried about this, and maybe i should forget and move on
but atleast let me try this
let me fight against this, on mine own way, i'm just tired that i'm been seen as a walking bank where you can take advantage from

if i fail, so what, but i did something about it, instead of telling that person that it is no use, forget and move on, and yeah, i try't, and it almost succeed to forgetting them, until i found out about that genuine girl from kharkov and here nice agent, i was trown back, no sorry, further away then on the point of beginning

but if i fail, i can say atleast  i try't to do something about it, how many can say that