scammed by yeva4u

[Chelseaboy]

Facetrock,
 
                  I'm certainly surprised by the revelations from bruttus,thats for sure,as i know other forum members have posted positive things about Milas service.
 
It's always difficult being an outsider looking into a situation,because we only know the facts as we're given them.
 
Have a good trip when you go 
 
 

[Patagonie]

   Chelseaboy. Mila's been here a long time which does say something for her and she does have a good reputation. Most people in the translating and MOB business give forums like this a wide berth. About three years ago there was a guy complaining about her prices after the fact. The guy knew the prices beforehand so I never could figure out why he was whining.
 
   Now,  do you really think she would intentionally deceive a guy for 15 bucks an hour and a 50 dollar first meeting fee? Especially a guy who posts here and just had his clock cleaned by some pro daters on his last trip. It would be like begging for trouble. If anything I think she would be over accommodating. Another thing she is busy and makes a decent living being honest. Why would she jeopardize her reputation here that she's cultivated over the years as an honest person  for a few hundred bucks.  No sense to it and she's not dumb. Like Stirlitz said, if she wanted to scam him he would never know and it would still be going on. Her problem is she never knows what kind of guy will get off the plane. Sometimes like Andrews very good analogy you get a " faulty customer."

  Does anyone know if this girl is actually married or just went to see the guy in Mexico? My feeling is when Bruttus was there her and the Mexican guy didn't have any definite plans. After he left they made some. Maybe she told the Mexican guy all about Bruttus. Stirred the pot a little. Made him make a decision. Who knows. She's a 21 year old kid. I do believe Bruttus is NOT giving an accurate description of all the events because he is still pi$$ed  he got blown out of the saddle. No one will ever know the complete true story. If Mila comes back to post she will just get dragged down to Bruttus's level. No win situation for her. I will believe Mila before Bruttus though. At least she's sane.

  A little off topic but I am leaving for Kharkov May 5 for 2 weeks. I am using Mila. I do know most of the girls I meet will have already met Western men. Some will still be communicating with the men they met. Some might even be a little serious. Some might even be dating a Ukrainian man. I wont ask and I wont care. If I like one, game on baby.
 
 

Please tell us when you will return what will be the total cost involved by her, it will be nice for any following guys to know it, especially if you stay two weeks.
And after this travel, come back here to tell us what you think about dates and your trip.

[Faux Pas]

@ faux pas
i payed 50 USD per lady for introduction
i received a couple profiles from lady's from Mila
is this not what a dating agency is doing???
this gal here profile was also send-ed, but i had no intrest in here because of age

This is your first lie bruttus. You wanted to meet this girl and she wanted to meet you. Even after your first brief meeting with her she still wanted to meet you again. There was no extra encouragement from Mila for you to meet this one woman, was there? Mila sent you profiles of women she knows personally, women who she knows are good genuine women. You picked 5 women to meet and this 21 year old was one of them. Mila isn't an agency, at most she is an introduction service. A service she provides along with guide, interpreter, Girl Friday for visitors in Kharkov. Mila is an honest person and you know this. You are intentionally trying to sabotage her and her business. Come clean bruttus. You should be ashamed of yourself.

then the lies, please post those lies from me

and again its not what that girl did to me, its about the dishonest reaction that i received from Mila
and for the rest, Mies is right
for the rest, to be honest, i think that the gal was nothing more then a pawn, to keep mine intrest
maybe she was intrested to meet me, who knows???? that's discussable
and i try't to talk it in private, asking about info about this, and even send ed proof, and i was put away as a bad and jealously person, but she was more concerned about here own reputation than she helped here client
 about the gal itself

bruttus, Mila had nothing to do with this girls lack of romantic feelings for you. It was you that had several dates with the girl and could not get her interested. If the truth be told bruttus, it was you and your excessive facebook stalking of this girl that turned her off for good. You called her a scammer and a not genuine woman hundreds of times on her facebook, didn't you? You ordered the 3 way Skype calls after she friended the Mexican on FB. It wasn't Mila. You begged and pleaded with the girl to give you another chance. You knew she was talking to other foreigners and this Mexican guy, didn't you. You knew it from before you ever left Kharkov. Come clean bruttus

i agree Faux Pas, the gal may communicate of have dates with several men, i did that also for the first time, but then with lady's, i see nothing wrong with that, but why the lies about it??
why didn't Mila put me apart while i was there, and told me if i was intrested to meet other lady's????

There were no lies bruttus and you know this. This is your lie. You wanted Mila to help you get your money back from yeva and she wouldn't. You knew all along that the girl was communicating as friends and possible mates with other men. She had a profile bruttus, what did you think she was doing with it? You were with other women on your one trip when you met this girl. You wanted this girl for your own but you could not win her, could you? She wanted to meet you, you wanted to meet her. You did and you dated several times and as you were leaving, she made up her mind that she didn't want to continue with you.To keep everything in perspective, your one and only trip was late June and early July where you met this girl. Your 2nd and last 3-way call was late July

Your first 3 way Skype call was to try and win back in her graces after you called her all sorts of names on facebook, wasn't it? The 2nd 3-way call was where she told you that she was completely finished with you. Weeks later the Mexican guy visits and accomplishes what you could not, he wins her. The following month she is in Mexico and somehow, this has to be Mila's fault? Step up and be a man bruttus. For once, be a man and be truthful.

Mila could have told me when i was there, that this lady was still searching for here mister right, so i could make a decision
its 50 USD extra introductionfee for Mila
it was a win/win situation for the both of us

bruttus, seriously, you can't be this dense. She had a profile, the same profile that YOU picked her from. What makes you believe even for a minute that she wasn't still looking for her Mister Right? She wanted to meet you and asked Mila to to send you her profile. You picked her to meet her. Stop with the 'effing lies bruttus.

but ask yourself why invited Mila that lady to meet me, i didn't asked to meet that lady,
why didn't Mila told me that the lady that i have chosen to meet, couldn't come or had no intrest or what ever???
and why a gal that is going to meet a other man in his country 1 month later after mine leaving of Kharkov??? if i knew this before, i wouldn't accept that lady to meet me. not about jealousy, but for common sence
If it is a success story for Mila, was that starting relationship between that young couple already growing before i met that gal????

YOU wanted to meet this girl bruttus. Stop acting as if it was Mila forcing her on you, we (you and I) both know it was not. You knew when you left Kharkov she wasn't interested in you and she still hadn't met Mister Right. It was you that was stalking the girl on FB sending her hundreds of messages trying to win her that she had  had enough of you. Tell the truth bruttus

and thank you faux pas, i didn't knew that she gave the bracelet straight away to Mila when i leaved Kharkov
According to Mila she still had the bracelet when i found out, and that Mila had to meet here again to receive the bracelet
but indeed, i have asked that bracelet back

I don't know when Mila got the bracelet. Sometime in that second 3-way call at the end of July when the girl told you to take a flying leap I would assume. She never wanted your bracelet in the first place but, you would not take it back. She was telling you something then, you were just not smart enough to understand it.

There is much more to this story bruttus and more about you. You know it and now, you know that I know it. Apologize to Mila and this girl. They did you well and treated you good. Mila works hard and she did for you. Do it in private if you wish and quit posting this tripe on the boards.

[Faux Pas]

Ok Faux Pas,you've had your response from bruttus,so show us where he's lying.
 
So far despite your strong assertions about we're all wrong,it seems it's you that's wrong.
 
You're totally ignoring the fact that the girl had been in a relationship with the Mexican guy since February,and yet of all the girls on Mila's books,she was the one chosen by Mila to date bruttus in July,just the month before the Mexican guy was flying back,for which bruttus was paying Mila USD 15 per hour,as well as paying her a USD 50 introduction fee.
 

You're right, I don't give a shit about you or what you believe. Obviously, you'll believe anything you read that mentions scam. But, I'll enlighten you to some facts. If it doesn't change your mind, I just don't care. 

Bruttus was also going to pay for the girls English lessons,until he discovered the girl had flown to Mexico to be with her man,but Mila was telling him the Mexican guy was only a friend....yeah right.
Seems somebody had a vested interest in bruttus paying for those English lessons.

There never was any English lessons other than in bruttus fantasy filled head. He never paid for any lessons. There was no money paid in a paypal account and there was no discussions of English lesson except bruttus talking to someone else that isn't there.

If bruttus hadn't discovered the Mexican guy was more than a friend,would Mila and the girl still be taking money for the English lessons ?
 

bruttus hadn't discovered "dick" because there was none.

I don't call that good business ethics,although maybe you do,as you don't seem to find anything wrong with that.

Obviously, as quick as you fell for this story, you wouldn't know shit from shinola or good business ethics
 

Mila should have informed bruttus that the girl had already met another man she liked,was in a relationship with him,and that the other man was flying back the following month to spend more time with her,and given the choice of whether he  wanted to meet her...but he wasn't.
Let's not forget that bruttus was reluctant to meet the girl anyway,because of her age,but Mila was insistent they should meet...i wonder why ?

She didn't meet the Mexican until after bruttus was gone and further until even after she told him on the last of 2 3-way calls to get lost.
 

I've a pretty good hunch,but that would be just speculation on my part,so i won't go down that road.
 
If it was me,and i'd been informed of that,i'd have told the girl to take a hike,and i expect that's why he wasn't told.
 
So,he was misled,despite your claims to the contrary.

You're right, it is just all speculation. He was told
 
No doubt this is where you'll stamp your foot and say you don't care what we/i think..your normal response when it looks like you're losing an argument.

*stomping foot* I don't care what you think  BTW, I have lost many arguments in my time but, I never recall losing one to you
 

On a broader front does this mean that all the girls on Mila's books are already in a relationship with another man ?
If not,why did she choose a girl for bruttus to date,who was already in a relationship with another man since February,as she has stated on her Facebook page ?
 
Would any man wish to date any of Mila's girls now,now that we know she arranges dates for those girls with other men,even after you've started a relationship with said girl...i wouldn't, based on what bruttus has told us.
 
Sounds no better than a typical Ukrainian dating agency to me,and i thought Mila was better than that.

chelseaboy, you should be thankful for the Mila's of the world. If it wasn't for people like her, guys like you couldn't get dates

[Faux Pas]

[dot]
Dear buddy you are more stubborn than three babychkas in a market.
Mila site is this one :
[/dot]

• [dot]Interpreting at business meetings, personal meetings, 3 way calls, conferences…. (English-Ukrainian, English-Russian, Ukrainian-English, Russian-English).[/dot]

• [dot]Translation (business, tourism, culture, personal correspondence/letters).[/dot]

• [dot] Guiding: tours around the first capital of Ukraine-Kharkov/countryside.[/dot]

• [dot] Lessons of English language and of Russian / Ukrainian language to foreigners.[/dot]

• [dot]Meeting at Kharkov/Kiev airport, bus station, train station and transfer.[/dot]

• [dot]Booking a nice and comfortable accommodation (apartment/hotel room).
  [/dot]

• [dot]An introduction to family oriented ladies whom i know personally.[/dot]

[dot]the introduction to family oriented ladies whom i know personally is a pure produit of the fee for a meeting, so Bruttus really paid what he needed to pay   

[/dot]

Pat, you are right guy, I am hard headed. A trait that at times is my demise and yet serves me well in others. I have never seen Mila's website. I've never needed it. I've never been to Ukraine. I've never used an agency. I do know however, the difference in rain and piss when my head is getting wet 

bruttus got everything he paid for and much more. I think it a shame that he's attempting to turn RWD into Jim's List. He's a jilted vindictive little twerp IMHO

[GQBlues]

...you should be thankful for the Mila's of the world. If it wasn't for people like her, guys like you couldn't get dates

Not to Chelseaboy in particular...but GAWD that's funny if it wasn't true for most of these guys...

[Patagonie]

Pat, you are right guy, I am hard headed. A trait that at times is my demise and yet serves me well in others. I have never seen Mila's website. I've never needed it. I've never been to Ukraine. I've never used an agency. I do know however, the difference in rain and piss when my head is getting wet 

bruttus got everything he paid for and much more. I think it a shame that he's attempting to turn RWD into Jim's List. He's a jilted vindictive little twerp IMHO

If he attempted to turn this site on Jim's list he tried a stupid thing, he needs to get some "elevation" in his life.

[Chelseaboy]

Faux Pas,
 
             Bruttus has claimed that the girl first met the Mexican man in February.Are you calling him a liar about that ?
 
By the way i don't need the Milas of this world to get me dates

[Chelseaboy]

Bruttus,
         Can you confirm that the Mexican man travelled to meet the girl in February ?
 
There seems to be some dispute about whether they did actually meet each other before you met the girl.
 
To be frank,if they had not actually met in the real world before you met her,there was no real relationship anyway,so your whole argument has no grounds.
Internet relationships don't count.

[Faux Pas]

Faux Pas,
 
             Bruttus has claimed that the girl first met the Mexican man in February.Are you calling him a liar about that ?
 
By the way i don't need the Milas of this world to get me dates

I don't know when the girl met the Mexican man. Or two Americans, 4 Limeys and the hair lip from Botswanna, what has that to do with having a relationship? What I do know is, when bruttus met the girl she was not in a relationship with anyone. She was not in a relationship with bruttus, ever. She dated bruttus. She did enter into a relationship with the Mexican well over a month after she told bruttus to hit the bricks and quit bothering her. Is that a crime in chelseaboy world?

[Chelseaboy]

No,it isn't a crime in Chelseaboy world.
 
However,Mies has confirmed that the girl states on her FB page that her and the Mexican HAD been in a relationship since February 2012,which is when bruttus claims they met.
Now that's not bruttus saying that,it's not me saying that,it's the girl herself confirming that.
I would assume the girl would know better than you if she was already in a relationship or not ?
 
Which,once again brings us back to business ethics and why wasn't bruttus informed of this before he met the girl ?
This is the whole crux of the matter,and nothing has changed.
 

[Faux Pas]

No,it isn't a crime in Chelseaboy world.
 
However,Mies has confirmed that the girl states on her FB page that her and the Mexican HAD been in a relationship since February 2012,which is when bruttus claims they met.
Now that's not bruttus saying that,it's not me saying that,it's the girl herself confirming that.
 
Which,once again brings us back to business ethics and why wasn't bruttus informed of this before he met the girl ?
This is the whole crux of the matter,and nothing has changed.

Okay, I am going to type this real slow and without rehash and repeating, too much. Do please try to keep up. The girl was not in a relationship with the Mexican guy when she met bruttus. I don't know of her prior relationships. Maybe she is the female version of the WMVM? She is 21 years old. You figure it out. She was not in a relationship with bruttus even after dating him 2-3 times, ever. Was she dishonest with bruttus? Not that I have been able to discern and I have looked deeply into the matter.

She wanted to meet bruttus. She was talking with other men, she was not in a relationship. bruttus wanted to meet her. He was not forced, coerced, talked in or even prompted to meet her. He chose to meet her. Two people who wanted to meet each other and did. Please explain chelseaboy, how that is bad business practice?

bruttus has got some issues far worse than his inability to woo women.

[Faux Pas]

If he attempted to turn this site on Jim's list he tried a stupid thing, he needs to get some "elevation" in his life.

I agree. This is a prime example of how lonesome bitterness can really bring a man down. Not to mention the reputation of others.

[Chelseaboy]

The girl has confirmed on her Facebook page that she was in a relationship with the Mexican man since February 2012.
 
Bruttus met the girl in late June/early July 2012.
 
February comes before June..agreed ?
 
So,she WAS already in a relationship with the Mexican guy when she met bruttus.
 
Which part of that don't you understand ?
 
You seem to be in self-denial over this.
 
What difference does her age make ? I was running my own business when i was 21,and had bought my first house.
 
Mila should therefore have explained the situation to bruttus before taking his money for the introduction fee and interpreter fees for that particular girl.
If he had still chosen to meet the girl anyway,well that's his decision having been made aware of the facts,but he wasn't.
 
As i said..bad business ethics.
 
 

[Faux Pas]

bruttus is a big boy. He wanted to meet the girl, he did. Mila vouched that she was genuine and she was. bruttus has mentioned she was genuine at least several times.

He had his shot, he lost. To the victor the spoils. 

Good luck on your search for an innocent untouched virgin, brought out to meet only you btw 

[Chelseaboy]

What has what i'm looking for got to do with any of this ?
 
And i wouldn't know what to do with a virgin,i prefer girls that are a bit...wild 

[bruttus]

@ faux pas
what the hell, i had no intrest in that gal to meet
i asked to Mila to meet 3 lady's
a lady from 28y old
a lady from 31y old
a lady from 24y old
this was here profile that i sended
sorry for the name, but that was the 3th girl
xxxxx.xxxx<xxxxxx.xxxx@gmail.com> sorry its to protect mine email
   
4/28/12
      
to Mila
hey mila,
 
can i ad 1 more girl to meet
svetlana, she has no surname, but this is here info
 
Svetlana
Age: August 19, 1989
Weight: 50 kg
Height: 160 cm
Hair color-blond
Eye color- blue
Education: higher
Job: stylist/hairdresser
Never been married, no children
Interests: music, photography, dancers, make-up, sport, going out, nature….
Description: I am very active and optimistic lady, full of energy and ambitions. I like to enjoy life and to laugh. I want to meet a nice person and to share my life and interests with him. I want to love and to be loved and just to be happy in life. I am interested in learning English.
and this
really sorry for the names
xxxxx.xxxxx <xxx.xxxx@gmail.com>
   
4/18/12
      
to Mila
Hello Milla,
 
i received the photo's, and thank you for that
whille all these lady's are beautifull, i have to make a decision between 2 lady's
so, i'm stuck to chose between Viktoria  and Juliya
 
do you have more info about those 2 lady's???

the girl that you mentioned here name was Alina
can you see that name somewhere
that is lie one for you Faux Pas

lie 2
its a bit diffucult to stalk here if i have blocked here at FB, if I blockt here after sept, when i found out


the other lie, maybe that gal told that to me, who knows, but did i say that mine Ukrainian language was good???
if it was good, then i did not needed a threeway call, i could talk with here

[Stirlitz]

 

he needs to get some "elevation" in his life.

He just needs to get a life... that’s for sure.

Mila is an honest person and you know this. You are intentionally trying to sabotage her and her business. Come clean bruttus. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Sadists are not ashamed to torture people, they enjoy it. There are also people who enjoy harming others in any other way they can. I have met some of them, so I am not surprised.

The girl has confirmed on her Facebook page that she was in a relationship with the Mexican man since February 2012.
 
Bruttus met the girl in late June/early July 2012.
 
February comes before June..agreed ?

FB is not a ZAGS (civil registrar office) is it? How many of your Facebook friends are your real FRIENDS? Who you can rely on, borrow money from, ask for advice and support, tell everything and trust in all respects?

[Boethius]

If I recall, there was another similar situation like this which occurred with Mila setting up another forum member with a girl she new. The member expressed his concern that the girl was not what he wanted age wise but was convinced to meet and spend time with her anyway because she was a "good girl".Things did not go well in that situation either. Not sure if the story was posted on this forum or the "Other" forum.


To me it seems like the same Modus Operandi. 


Brutus, the fault I would find in you is agreeing to meet a women who was not in the age range you were looking for. You were the paying client so you should have been adamant about meeting only women of the age range YOU wanted.

The only other poster I recall who expressed displeasure with Mila was a guy in his sixties who was unhappy with the "old looking" women in their forties she lined up for him.   This was done by newspaper ads, so I gather, they were not Mila's friends.

[Faux Pas]

bruttus, it's really in your best interest to stop this shit right now. You know what you've done and I know what you've done. I know there is more here and I will post it if it's necessary. Embarrass yourself if you wish.  Alina and Mila did right by you. Your best option is to apologize to these girls and let this go and quit trying to mislead, this isn't Jimslist.

[calmissile]

PF,
Agree with you.  Saying any more about Mila and her business practices, or attacking Bruttus for his participation is not going to add anyting to the argument.

We can either accept the summaries of Mies, or FP.  It's not really that important to most of us.

The only remaining question/curiousity I have is knowing who has the bracelet and whether it is going to be returned to Bruttus.

[Chelseaboy]

Stirlitz,
 
           What ARE  you talking about.?
 
It's the girls Facebook page,which is her social networking page .The girl herself has put on her page that she has been in a relationship with the Mexican man since February 2012.
 
Are you now calling her a liar,as well as calling bruttus a sadist  ?

 
You're another one in self-denial.

[Stirlitz]

Stirlitz,
 
           What ARE  you talking about.?

I am pointing out to you that what Facebook says is not something you can trust and use as proof. People can put or write anything there. What’s more, you cannot be sure who exactly did that, and if the person behind the FB account is the one you think it is. This may be this girl or her friends or someone else, even bruttus himself (not that I think so but in theory). There are lots of fake accounts, passwords and photos are easily stolen. People often put rubbish there, make jokes that some people take seriously, for example a teenage girl is "married" to someone, etc.
If you have papers from the authorities stating that this particular woman is married to that particular man, that is solid. Facebook, VK, Mamba, etc. is not.

Are you now calling her a liar,as well as calling bruttus a sadist  ?

Are you dyslexic? Please re-read my message, it is here a couple of messages above. I am not calling anyone anything, I am saying what I said. You are free to interpret it any way you like but please keep your interpretation to yourself.


 

             Bruttus has claimed that the girl first met the Mexican man in February.Are you calling him a liar about that ?

I see now. You are eager to find someone who calls bruttus a liar Well, you can yourself call him a liar if this is what you like! You don’t need me or FP.

[bruttus]

faux pas
what i did wrong, i was angry, and you can blaim me for that
but what Mila did to me, you find that normal????
you told that Mila said that i chose that gal to meet
i gave you proof that it wasn't, i gave even the 2 mails on it that i sended Mila, with the names of the 3 lady's that i wanted to meet
that svetlana i never met
and its not that difficult, because i had given the entire profile, because that was the only lady that had no surename written be here profile
whille the 2 other lady's had there surname well written by there profiles

i have given Mies the link from FB from that mexican guy, why from him, because i blockt that gal on fb, so i have no info if she's still there or not, but Mies researcht further, so you are not saying that i lie, but also Mies is lying

then the fact that you said that this gal said take a hick during the 3way call via skype
that is possible, but the gal spoke Ukrainian, i don't speak that, the only person who was transluating was Mila, and i didn't hear that she said that

for the rest, to be honest Faux Pas, you are trying to get me in a bad daylight, and i don't care, i know what hapend, and i gave it mine side, i gave the proof, and if you still are in denyal, its your problem

goodbye

[Chelseaboy]

Stirlitz,
 
         I suggest you learn how to read.Maybe it's you that's Dyslexic ?
 
I don't need to find somebody who has called bruttus a liar,Faux Pas has already done that yesterday in his posting timed 07:59.
I suggest you re-read it,or get someone to read it to you if you can't cope with that.
 
Think before you make what you perceive to be "clever" comments,because it's having the opposite effect.
 
As for you,no you don't need to call bruttus a liar,you've already insulted him enough by calling him a sadist,and don't try and hide behind your weasel words by now trying to back-track on what you said.
If you wasn't referring to bruttus as a sadist in direct response to the comments from Faux Pas,why did you bring the word up ? It was also the very first word you brought up.
 
You'll stoop to any level to protect your friends business reputation,including making pathetic excuses such as the girl might not have put the fact that she's been in a relationship with the Mexican man since February 2012 on her Facebook page herself,as well as making personal insults.
 
Show us the proof that the girls Facebook account is fake,before making unsubstantiated claims.

 
Now ,you can sit there trading insults for as long as you like ,until you're blue in the face,but that doesn't change the facts.