Unrealistic Expectations - Women - Entitlement Mentality

[Daveman]

Yeah, I would have to vote for vampire sucking the blood of families entitlement attitude, adulteress, adultery enabler, you know, the whole 'should be dragged out and shot on the spot' scenario!     but that's just me...

[Gator]

Gator, thank you for your opinion.

Please post what you deleted.  Knowing you it was probably accurate.  I have thick skin if it were not positive.
 
Are UM so blatant and brazen with their dalliances that public disclosure would not bother her lover sponsor?   Of course she is not giving his name, yet there is enough that someone could put 2 + 2 together.

[mies]

Please post what you deleted.  Knowing you it was probably accurate.  I have thick skin if it were not positive.
 
Are UM so blatant and brazen with their dalliances that public disclosure would not bother her lover sponsor?   Of course she is not giving his name, yet there is enough that someone could put 2 + 2 together.

hm. no, she never discloses the names or any other information about her lovers. Except for the fact that they are married, have adult children (late teens to 20's), and are wealthy. I doubt it is easy to find out who her lovers are. I think in Ukraine no one really cares. She is just one of many "toys" on the market. Also, I doubt this girl and her lovers are regularly seen together in public.
The deleted part of the post: I was going to post one more link to the photo, but then noticed that I can view it because I am subscribed to a specific community. So it's not completely public. Therefore i deleted the link.

[mies]

Yeah, I would have to vote for vampire sucking the blood of families entitlement attitude, adulteress, adultery enabler, you know, the whole 'should be dragged out and shot on the spot' scenario!     but that's just me...

in Ukraine a popular belief is that the wife is also an active "enabler" of the adultry, because she doesn't give her husband what he needs in marriage, and forces him to find it outside of marriage. So technically, the wives of these cheating men should be 'should be dragged out and shot on the spot' 

[Daveman]

in Ukraine a popular belief is that the wife is also an active "enabler" of the adultry, because she doesn't give her husband what he needs in marriage, and forces him to find it outside of marriage. So technically, the wives of these cheating men should be 'should be dragged out and shot on the spot' 

LoL.. sounds good to me too as long as somebody gets shot!     Shoot the hubby too!


Funny thing is that if it were single guys, I'd think they are idiots, and still say she has the entitlement attitude, but more power to her if she can get it.  It's that she's messing with families that bothers me.   

[LiveFromUkraine]

It's that she's messing with families that bothers me.

She couldn't mess with families if the guys weren't looking.

I did find it strange that she would want to be married to one of the cheating husbands.  You would think she would be afraid of being cheated on later in the relationship.  Hell, maybe she wouldn't care as long as she got what she wanted when she wanted it.

[Boethius]

I highly doubt she forced any married man to sleep with her, or buy her a car or apartment.

[Daveman]

She couldn't mess with families if the guys weren't looking.

I highly doubt she forced any married man to sleep with her, or buy her a car or apartment.

I'm not insinuating that it doesn't take two to tango, but even so, she's responsible and culpable for her involvement.  I couldn't care less really about her or the man...  it's the wife, kids ... it's that old, outdated, stick in the mud 'sanctity of marriage' thing.  Yeah, perhaps the wife isn't pristine either..  but still... a good shooting is a good shooting!

I did find it strange that should would want to be married to one of the cheating husbands.  You would think she would be afraid of being cheated on later in the relationship.  Hell, maybe she wouldn't care as long as she got what she wanted when she wanted it.

Yeah, that is strange and strangely interesting to ponder.  Occam's razor would tend to slice along those lines.. perhaps for her men are bankrolls and potential sperm donors first and anything else second, and her real desire for a relationship could be mother/child.

[GQBlues]

...Question to men who are seeking for wife, and can afford to provide the lifestyle this girl desires (I presume that would be at least $5-10K/mo). Would you marry a woman like her? She looks like she genuinely wants to have family and children. She also likes to cook

 P.S. on the photo she is without any makeup. In her "dolled-up" version she looks really pretty (imho)
http://pics.livejournal.com/otryvki_zhizni/pic/000033xz

Sorry mies, this gal is NOT even remotely pretty. The fact she ask, and was actually given doles for her whims as an exchange is beyond comprehension to me.

[mies]

Sorry mies, this gal is NOT even remotely pretty. The fact she ask, and was actually given doles for her whims as an exchange is beyond comprehension to me.

Why do I think that she is attractive (in general, and to men specifically): she has an impressive and natural (not silicone) breasts (at least a full D - nevertheless the rest of her body looks borderline anorexic), and very pretty face, really. I cannot post links to her other photos because they are shared in a community, and not fully "public". She looks fine, works out like crazy and diets all the time to stay "in shape".

[Gator]

She has an impressive and natural (not silicone) breasts (at least a full D), and very pretty face, really. I cannot post links to her other photos because they are shared in a community, and not fully "public".

 
 
This expl;ains everything.  Nevermind.  Please send me  her email addy.
 
For the degenerates, can you copy the photo to your desktop and then attach here?

[mies]

 
 
This expl;ains everything.  Nevermind.  Please send me  her email addy.
 
For the degenerates, can you copy the photo to your desktop and then attach here?

  Gator, you are committed and you said earlier that she is too young for you 
I wouldn't be copying the photo without person's consent.

[mies]

I hope this is not a serious question!

why not? She will not cheat on you, she will be a good mother because she really wants to have children, she possibly will pretend she doesn't notice if you ever decide to have an occasional fling, she can cook, she is young and attractive. So what's the problem?

[Fashionista]

So, what do you think? Is this an entitlement mentality?
In a way, yes, but she did get what she wanted - not a family with children, but she does have her own apartment, and a car, which most of women (or men) in Ukraine cannot afford to buy (without help of parents or somebody else) by the age of 27.

That's nothing compared to me being a fearless Iranian princess warrior.
It's internet Mies, anyone can write anything.

[OlgaH]

Here is her livejournal http://otryvki-zhizni.livejournal.com/

It seems she feels very lonely heading to her 30s in her posts.

One of her posts http://otryvki-zhizni.livejournal.com/7542.html

"... I need a car, good sex, traveling and money ... I can not live with a guy, I do not understand how you can live with him, a man's interest  disappears so fast,  today he tells you how wonderful you are, and tomorrow he has a new pretty flame in his bed, if not, it means he simply can not afford it either morally or financially ... In such case why I would need a stupid, unaccomplished and hesitant man? .. Of course, I want it to be like in the movies...  a successful businessman with well built body would appear by chance, and by chance he would be single and without moral defects, he would fall in love with me and I would find myself in a fairy tale ... But a fairy tale for me is a car, good sex, traveling and money ... But it does not happen like in the movies...  because from an ideal image of man I should exclude..., I prefer to exclude "single", I think it is the most harmless minus ... I'm loyal to such minuses, at least I always can reply "he is married" to a question "why don't you live together, or why doesn't he  marry you", and he will look bad, but not me thinking in my heart that I do not need to live together or get married to accomplish my happiness, or even worse, admit to myself and others that no one is going to marry me ..."

BTW I'm not sure if she was presented an apartment by her married lover 

"...Три года назад это была моя мечта, но тогда мне очень хотелось верить в то, что как минимум вместе с ребенком я буду жить в "лишней" трехкомнатной квартире в центре города... Хуюшки, квартира для "блядей"-это неотъемлемая вещь любого гуляющего мужика..Это как жена... -само собой разумеющаяся вещь.. Никто с ними не расстается.."
 

[calmissile]

Olga,

I do not have time to try and translate all the Russian into English from her posts.
Did I hear size D boobs?  That I can translate with braille!     

I know.... dirty old man!

[GQBlues]

To answer mies' question if I can marry someone like her with her conditions, then a straight up 'NO'. Will I marry someone like her without the posted 'condition'? Straight up 'no'.

Even if I was the type of man who would actually have a 'kept' woman, I would still opt for someone else. Even if I have as much money as Gator...

This is another point to make for Elliot Spitzer. They should have him govern New York again. I just love the type of politician who understands the worth of his money! 

Ashley Dupres' going rate then was a whopping $3,000.00 for 10 days. She doesn't even ask for a car much less apartment.

[Daveman]

BTW I'm not sure if she was presented an apartment by her married lover 

"...Три года назад это была моя мечта, но тогда мне очень хотелось верить в то, что как минимум вместе с ребенком я буду жить в "лишней" трехкомнатной квартире в центре города... Хуюшки, квартира для "блядей"-это неотъемлемая вещь любого гуляющего мужика..Это как жена... -само собой разумеющаяся вещь.. Никто с ними не расстается.."

Or at least not one large enough.  Of course reading tone is difficult enough in English, but it seems that the baby is more of a means to an end --  (paraphrasing) "At least with the baby I'll get to live in the extra three bedroom whore's apartment in/near the center..."

[happyandstable]

why not? She will not cheat on you, she will be a good mother because she really wants to have children, she possibly will pretend she doesn't notice if you ever decide to have an occasional fling, she can cook, she is young and attractive. So what's the problem?

To answer  your question I have no intention to be anyone's mule let alone someone so shallow

[OlgaH]

Or at least not one large enough.  Of course reading tone is difficult enough in English, but it seems that the baby is more of a means to an end --  (paraphrasing) "At least with the baby I'll get to live in the extra three bedroom whore's apartment in/near the center..."

she wrote: "three years ago it was my dream, that time I wanted to believe so bad that as minimum I would live with my child in a "spare" three room apartment in the city center. Fu-k no, the apartment is for whores, it is an integral part of any cheating man. It is like a wife, it goes without saying. No one will part with it." She also wrote: "mistress with a child is not a mistress any more but a burden."

[Daveman]

she wrote: "three years ago it was my dream, that time I wanted to believe so bad that as minimum I would live with my child in a "spare" three room apartment in the city center. Fu-k no, the apartment is for whores, it is an integral part of any cheating man. It is like a wife, it goes without saying. No one will part with it." She also wrote: "mistress with a child is not a mistress any more but a burden."

Thanks Olga, that's quite a bit of a different thrust. 

[Gator]

This is another point to make for Elliot Spitzer. They should have him govern New York again. I just love the type of politician who understands the worth of his money! 

Ashley Dupres' going rate then was a whopping $3,000.00 for 10 days. She doesn't even ask for a car much less apartment.

Are you sure of that dollar amount.  From Wiki: 

Governor Spitzer, referred to as "Client–9" in an affidavit filed in US Federal Court,^[2] arranged to meet at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington on February 13, 2008 with a prostitute named "Kristen" — an "American, petite, very pretty brunette, 5 feet 5 inches and 105 pounds" (165 cm, 47 kg). "Kristen" was later identified as the 22-year-old Ashley Dupré.^[3][4] She intended to travel from New York City for the planned tryst and Spitzer agreed in advance that he "would be paying for everything — train tickets, cab fare from the hotel and back, mini-bar or room service, travel time and hotel".^[5] After the assignation on February 13, 2008, Spitzer paid her $4,300 in cash.^[6] The payment included $1,100 as a deposit with the agency toward future services.^[7] Spitzer reportedly had at least seven liaisons with prostitutes from the agency over six months, and paid more than $15,000 for their services. Federal agents had him under surveillance twice in 2008.^[13][14][15] According to published reports, investigators believe Spitzer paid up to $80,000 for prostitutes over a period of several years — first while he was attorney general, and later as governor.

Anyway, Dupre went on to make a few million for photos, etc. after the matter became public.
 

[GQBlues]

Not sure where I read that interview. IIRC, she said that GFE charges was $400.00/day, $2,500.00/wk or that $3,000.00/10 days with one sex session (each time) as an independent. It wasn't until she jazzed up with an agency that her rates went up...

Still too much money if you asked me when sex with pretty women are free anywhere.

[Gator]

Still too much money if you asked me when sex with pretty women are free anywhere.

 
.....and the latter women are far better too.     

A world of difference between someone, however tight her body,  who does it as a job and someone who eagerly wants to be with you.

[Faux Pas]

I'm married and certainly not looking for another but, the answer is a definite no. This ole gal brings nothing to the table but her entitlement. She really believes she deserves to be taken care of or did I misinterpret that? Her whole world is predicated on her looks, her body and what pleases her which, is nothing that pleases me. If I were single and met her on the fly I wouldn't have made any effort if her outward is as lonely as her inward. Probably would have been interested in a one night fling, she is attractive but not "all that and a bag of chips" She is definitely a head case and future (if not present) substance abuser IMHO