AM and RW ... are we compatible?

[Faux Pas]

You will be surprised, but I do like people and treat them all well (in real life), no matter what their background is. Actually, far more people would like to associate with me than I have time and energy for. I don't take stupidity and hypocrisy very well though 
However, a very high IQ and a high educational degree has been my #1 criteria in my search for a mate, simply because I've found out I'm most compatible with this kind of people in the the long run. Very high IQ and PhD doesn't make those people any better human beings though (I got in a  heated discussion with a college professor last year, who was convinced that somehow higher education instills good morals. I don't believe it does, morality is a function of personality. Just like being a believer doesn't make one more moral than an atheist for example). But I digress. Preference for high IQ in a mate is not better or worse than a height or boob size or weight preference that most men here admit to having 

That's good to hear and you're right, I would be surprised based on your earlier post.  The heart wants, what the heart wants. I don't fault anyone for that. Whatever gets your motor running is okay by me. IMHO, discounting any relationship rather platonic, friendship or romantic based on education level, means one cannot see the forest for the trees. I tend to chose relationships with people who interest me and sometimes I let them choose me.

Thankfully, my over educated wife shares my sentiment here. Hopefully she will continue to 

[pitbull]

HighIQ or "equal intelligence" represents one (e)quality of compatibility..


PhD represents your stereotypical RW desire for sheer status, baby.. status.. 

Now that we've covered IQ, lets get to PhD and status
If I desired status I wouldn't have married my better half.  Seriously, to me a PhD means that most likely a person possesses certain qualities of the mind, such as mental discipline, analytical skills, systematic approach, being able to probe and question information from different sides, and understanding of a scientific method. Of course goals compatibility and personality are crucial as well, I've seen my share of incredibly snobbish and rude PhDs.

[OlgaH]

When I was in USA I observed this attitude in RW compatible with AM. Incompatible ones would feel :
Родина, еду я на Родину,
Пусть кричат - уродина,
А она нам нравится,
Хоть и не красавица.
  (words from a song, Yu. Schevchuk)

I just can not understand why some of them need to feel it climbing on the toilet bowls with their feet       "... Следовательно, разруха не  в клозетах, а в головах"   

[Misha]

Misha, I think "Russian Federation culture" would be more correct than just Russian 

Very true, as the Reindeer-herding Evenk of northern Russia would have little in common with the daughter of some oligarch in Moscow. But even within the ethnic Russian culture there would be many subcultures and even within the ethnic Russians of one city or even one village there would not be a homogeneous culture either,,,

[Doll]

Ольга, мое мнение: дешево это- в угоду мeстным хлопцам так рьяно хаять свою страну (где родилась и выросла). Хорош, серьезно.
Вы не перестанете, я понимаю, но некрасиво терять лицо.
 

[Doll]

Very true, as the Reindeer-herding Evenk of northern Russia would have little in common with the daughter of some oligarch in Moscow. But even within the ethnic Russian culture there would be many subcultures and even within the ethnic Russians of one city or even one village there would not be a homogeneous culture either,,,

Misha, let's not mix "culture" and "way of thinking+approach" (the latter being quite typical for 99% RF people)

[Daveman]

Not really, my reality TV entertainment is limited but, I do get the jest of it. My guess is that those particular people were assembled together for that specific effect and hardly representative of dinner mates others would likely choose for themselves, no?

My point was more that if a PhD was what it took to live a full, rich life, we'd probably all have one. Education level isn't a pedigree, it's an education which isn't necessarily available to all and should be left to applications.

People tend to gravitate to those with whom they share like life experiences. Nothing wrong with that but, to use formal education level as a qualifier with whom they share their life is quite snobbish. Not all Butchers are ignorant and not all PhDs are intelligent. I personally have had  stimulating intelligent conversations and relationships with both. Educated snobs are as undesirable as company as the loudmouthed uneducated rednecks.

I read a study a few years back which indicated that the average IQ of PhD's is(was) 129 with an error margin of plus/minus 3.  Not too impressive, is it?  So there must be other factors involved which play more tangible roles.


IQ tests, in a nutshell, measure an individual's ability to solve little puzzles.  Degrees at any level are about study and tenacity more than anything else.


These represent a mere fraction of the characteristics to which Pitbull is *really* attracted in her partner. Certainly ,in reality,  more important qualities would almost assuredly be social skills, wit, charm, attitude, etc.. of which many of the UberIQ'ed and Ph.D.'s are seriously lacking. 




However.. there is indeed a reason(s) she chose to seek those other qualities from within THAT specific group.       god I love messing with RW...  I'm sure it'll eventually cause my early demise.. 

[Misha]

Misha, let's not mix "culture" and "way of thinking+approach" (the latter being quite typical for 99% RF people)

Do you really think the Evenk reindeer herder and the daughter of the Oligarch share the same way of thinking? Also, we have to keep in mind generational differences and individual differences...

[Doll]

Do you really think the Evenk reindeer herder and the daughter of the Oligarch share the same way of thinking? Also, we have to keep in mind generational differences and individual differences...

No, but we are talking "RW married to AM", so there are hardly any oligarch or evenks here. I don't think so.
I am staying within discussion.

[Misha]

I read a study a few years back which indicated that the average IQ of PhD's is(was) 129 with an error margin of plus/minus 3.  Not too impressive, is it?  So there must be other factors involved which play more tangible roles.

Actually, it is impressive as the average IQ is by definition 100 and 140 is considered the IQ of a potential genius...

more important qualities would almost assuredly be social skills, wit, charm, attitude, etc.. of which many of the UberIQ'ed and Ph.D.'s are seriously lacking.

Most people with PhDs tend to be perfectly balanced people with normal social skills. Have you really interacted with people who do have a PhD?

[Misha]

No, but we are talking "RW married to AM", so there are hardly any oligarch or evenks here. I don't think so.
I am staying within discussion.

Ah, so you founding your entire theory of compatibility on a handful of women that are posting here Even then, there are a great many different types of women from extremely different cultures and subcultures who married WM, so they can't all be reduced to a stereotype.

[OlgaH]

Ольга, мое мнение: дешево это- в угоду мeстным хлопцам так рьяно хаять свою страну (где родилась и выросла). Хорош, серьезно.
Вы не перестанете, я понимаю, но некрасиво терять лицо.

Doll, love does not mean an absence of criticism. BTW My country for me are people I love, that's it.

[Daveman]

Actually, it is impressive as the average IQ is by definition 100 and 140 is considered the IQ of a potential genius...

The point there being that the qualities which make one adept at scoring high on an IQ test are not necessarily equivalent to the qualities which lead one to accomplish a higher degree.

Most people with PhDs tend to be perfectly balanced people with normal social skills. Have you really interacted with people who do have a PhD?

eeeeyup...  I have..  and I enjoy relating to most in a variety of ways..  the point being that "social skills" and other high quality characteristics are neither more present nor somehow more adept in either of those groups than those of the society at large. 


It's an accomplishment, and one worthy of a  certain level respect... but an accomplishment has little to do with other qualities one might seek in a partner.

[Doll]

Ah, so you founding your entire theory of compatibility on a handful of women that are posting here Even then, there are a great many different types of women from extremely different cultures and subcultures who married WM, so they can't all be reduced to a stereotype.

RW married to AM are not RW posing here.

[Misha]

The point there being that the qualities which make one adept at scoring high on an IQ test are not necessarily the equivalent to the qualities which lead one to accomplish a higher degree.

This contradicts the own stats you provide that those with a PhD have a much higher IQ on average than those who don't. But, you are correct, sometimes the brightest candidates don't finish their graduate (or even undergraduate degrees).

eeeeyup,...  I have..  and I enjoy relating to most in a variety of ways..  the point being that their "social skills" and other high quality characteristics are neither more present nor somehow more adept in either of those groups than those of the society at large. 

I agree as you were implying in your previous post that they were somehow less present.

It's an accomplishment, and one worthy of a  certain level respect... but an accomplishment has little to do with other qualities one might seek in a partner.

I agree.

[happyandstable]

There are reasons for stereotypes... 

   Stereotypes arise out of the need for humans to put labels on everything. I would rather see people for who they are then trying to devise a label to attach to them. But to each his/her own, you can use stereotypes if that makes you better justify a point. That does not make it fact or reality. Dream on you ex romantic

[Misha]

RW married to AM are not RW posing here.

Sorry, I don't quite know what point you are trying to make here.

[Daveman]

This contradicts the own stats you provide that those with a PhD have a much higher IQ on average than those who don't. But, you are correct, sometimes the brightest candidates don't finish their graduate (or even undergraduate degrees).

I disagree with the "much higher" part. I think that's probably about average in many circles.  Perhaps I am more of an IQ snob than I realized...  Everyone in my circle of "friends" is pretty much at that level or above (and I'll gladly accept DarthBudda with his 120  )

I'd even have the audacity to state that most  people with an IQ of over 130 or even 140 do NOT have a PhD.  Which, if true, would support my assertion that there are other factors unrelated to IQ numbers in the PhD equation.

I agree as you were implying in your previous post that they were somehow less present.

I did not make that implication. You read it. I stated "many", which is entirely factual... I just didn't add, "same as any other percentage within a defined (or even random) group"   

[Daveman]

   Stereotypes arise out of the need for humans to put labels on everything. I would rather see people for who they are then trying to devise a label to attach to them. But to each his/her own, you can use stereotypes if that makes you better justify a point. That does not make it fact or reality. Dream on you ex romantic

Stereotypes arise because of the common observations of those having actually observed many individuals from a specifically labeled group. e.g. RW.     Wake up from your Romantic Dream you Idealist!!  LoL..


On a more serious note...  I have nothing seriously noteworthy to add.. 

[happyandstable]

Stereotypes arise because of the common observations of those having actually observed many individuals from a specifically labeled group. e.g. RW.     Wake up from your Romantic Dream you Idealist!!  LoL..


On a more serious note...  I have nothing seriously noteworthy to add.. 

   There you go with those pesky labels again. I never claimed to be a romantic or an Idealist but thanks for playing.

   But on a serious note just because there are observations does not mean the conclusion are correct or relavent.

[Misha]

I disagree with the "much higher" part. I think that's probably about average in many circles.  Perhaps I am more of an IQ snob than I realized...  Everyone in my circle of "friends" is pretty much at that level or above (and I'll gladly accept DarthBudda with his 120  [/size]

As an average, 129 is very high. The larger the group, the more likely you will not deviate from the mean. An average of 129 would mean statistically that you have many with IQs over 140 pulling up those with IQs at 100 or occasionlly less than 100.

I'd even have the audacity to state that most  people with an IQ of over 130 or even 140 do NOT have a PhD.

I would have to see the research to come up with an accurate appraisal. Given that only a very small percentage of the population has a PhD it is reasonable to infer that in all likelihood that most people with an IQ over 130 would not have a PhD. However, the question is whether there is a statistically meaningful difference. Are people with IQs over 130 more likely to have a PhD?

Which, if true, would support my assertion that there are other factors unrelated to IQ numbers in the PhD equation.

Your own evidence suggests otherwise. If the average IQ of someone with a PhD was 100, then it would be easier to affirm that IQ is not a good variable to predict likely success in doing a PhD.

[BC]

IQ is a measure of potential.

Most humans never reach their full potential.

So bottom line it's all about doing the best with your abilities.

[Daveman]

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Your own evidence suggests otherwise. If the average IQ of someone with a PhD was 100, then it would be easier to affirm that IQ is not a good variable to predict likely success in doing a PhD.

Seems we are in 'hair splitting' territory.  I do think you are making an extrapolation based on one trait that is not necessarily indicative of the larger picture. PhD's having an average IQ of 129, which admittedly is above the overall IQ median does not equate to IQ being a predictor of the successful completion such a degree, though a low IQ could possibly be one indicator that a particular individual is less likely.  Still, they are not valid flip side arguments. If my hypothesis is true that there are more people with an average IQ of 129 without a PhD than there are those with, then that indicates that there are other factors which play a larger role than IQ, and fewer above average IQ individuals have whatever those other factors are than the number of individuals who don't.  And of course I'm not insinuating that a higher intelligence level and/or learning capacity is not a factor -- but that wasn't the original point I was going  after up thread anyway.


Desire, drive, tenacity, priority, subject matter propensity, resources, etc., would be other obvious factors. 

[Faux Pas]

A PhD is only indicative of a higher specialized formal education in one area. It indicates an expertise in the given area and not indicative of high intelligence or high IQ. The two are not mutually inclusive or exclusive. Related, maybe, maybe not. Many holders of a PhD couldn't pour piss out of a boot with the directions on the bottom, while many with no degrees or undergraduate degrees may have more experience with piss and boots 

I'd rather have a cardiologist cracking open my chest than I would an anthropologist and I don't expect either could fix my air conditioner.

[Gator]

My my!  This discussion is  very revealing. 

If  measuring athletic prowess, one would need to consider strength, speed, coordination, balance, concentration, etc.  The same with intelligence.  Intelligence is multi-faceted and can not be described by a single measure. 

I accept the concept ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences) of nine different  intelligences:

1 Logical-mathematical
2 Spatial
3 Linguistic
4 Bodily-kinesthetic
5 Musical
6 Interpersonal
7 Intrapersonal
8 Naturalistic
9 Existential

 
Of the nine listed above, I asset that interpersonal intelligence is probably the most broadly effective, with intrapersonal the most important regarding one's happiness.