Elena's Models

[Olly]

I can see only one your pic cos I deleted my profile from EM. But I think you chose not the best picture. 

[Olly]

Oh, and I still don't know what an EOI  is... ??

Eletronic Oral Interface?

Expectation Of Intercourse?

Extended Orgasm Invitation?

Do you never use EM?  It is Expression Of Interest

[CDW]

Ah, so I should quickly yank down my translated profile and just keep the english one there until the real translation comes through?  That's why I have the disclaimer at the top that a better one is coming. 

AVP is Assistant Vice President, yes.

Anything else I should try while I'm at it?   

How are the pictures?

I appreciate the help!

Arthur

Your picture is fine only if you wish to find a lady who likes your 'serious' face.  (can only see the 1st picture).  The other pictures can only look by paid members  (my members had already ran out).  Cannot see 2nd or 3rd picture, but a 'smile' in one of the photos would be better

"Must love geeks"  <<  Not sure if Russian will understand what 'Geeks' means.   'Russian' ladies might be able to answer you this.

[lordart]

I've tweaked as people have suggested.  I'm just waiting for the site to update.  AVP to Assistant Vice President, etc.  I removed the google translation of my profile, and removed the geek reference and replaced it as suggested.

As far as the pictures go, it is what I have.  Most ladies seem to like the picture that I'm using as the primary.  I'm curious as to why it is felt it isn't my best picture.  I'm not offended, just curious.  Would a body shot be better as a primary, or some other type of picture?  When I get home I can find some way to link the other pictures that I have there for better judgement.  Or if people are truly interested I can show the original "photoshoot" that these are considered the best of.

Thanks again for the help everyone is giving me!

Arthur

[Olly]

Ok, I activated my hidden profile to look at your photos.  I think that one (in white shirt) is the best.
And please, delete that terrible google translation. )

[lordart]

Ok, primary picture is switched to the one with the white shirt.  Thanks!

The translated profile IS gone, but the site always takes an hour at least to reflect the changes made to the profile.  I guess someone has to review it.  Or the delay is to make you think they are.

I just got my second rejection of the EOIs (Expression of Interests) I sent.  So Olly, as a lady, are EOIs ok, or they like winks on normal dating sites and basically ignored or considered an insult?  The only reason I bothered with them is because of the limitations of the gold plan.

Also, with all this tweaking, is it wise to follow up a rejection with an email saying that the profile has been updated and look again, or best take the hit and move on?  I read somewhere that Russian ladies like persistence, but I don't want to be a stalker either.

Arthur

[Olly]

I just got my second rejection of the EOIs (Expression of Interests) I sent.  So Olly, as a lady, are EOIs ok, or they like winks on normal dating sites and basically ignored or considered an insult?  The only reason I bothered with them is because of the limitations of the gold plan.

EOIs is OK. Maybe they just didn't like you. You are not a dollar to be pleasant to all  (i hope you understand what i mean) )))

[newjason]

Do you never use EM?  It is Expression Of Interest

Nope, never have.

Expression Of Interest   lol   ok
so I was close with my guesses   

[Vinnvinny]

I've tweaked as people have suggested.  I'm just waiting for the site to update.  AVP to Assistant Vice President, etc.  I removed the google translation of my profile, and removed the geek reference and replaced it as suggested.
As far as the pictures go, it is what I have.  Most ladies seem to like the picture that I'm using as the primary.  I'm curious as to why it is felt it isn't my best picture.  I'm not offended, just curious.  Would a body shot be better as a primary, or some other type of picture?  When I get home I can find some way to link the other pictures that I have there for better judgement.  Or if people are truly interested I can show the original "photoshoot" that these are considered the best of.
Thanks again for the help everyone is giving me!


Arthur

Just a personal opinion Arthur, take it or leave it as you so wish.

The ‘problem’ with your profile is that someone who has an excellent (and I mean very excellent) command of the English language is not going to be too impressed with your own English abilities, and everyone else is not really going to have a clue as to what you are saying most of the time.

Personality: Honest, Loyal, Romantic, open minded, funny, intellectual, curious, gentle, affectionate, successful.

Either capitalise every word or just the first one which is preferable. Mixing and matching is poor.

Other: Must love above average Intellect and have an open mind , loyal, affectionate and appreciate my sense of humor. A Non-smoker and non-drinker with no kids, please. Also must like cats (I have one!).

I would change it to: I would like to meet a lady without bad habits and preferably without children.

Even someone with a good command of English is unlikely to understand much of what you write in your personal message. I would change it to something like this:

I consider myself kind and considerate and I am always willing to help friends if they have some difficulties. I am easy going most of the time although on matters that are important to me I do enjoy a good discussion.

I enjoy many pastimes especially swimming, skiing, ten pin bowling, going to the cinema, dining out and taking long and romantic walks.

I am not deeply religious so it unlikely that I would be a good match for someone who is.

I am serious about my search and will be prepared to travel without too much delay should I meet a lady where I believe there is some mutual compatibility.

[lordart]

I updated the capitalization.  That made sense to me.

The rest doesn't quite flow to me.  Ironically, the main part of the personal message was professionally written for my normal dating profile.  Admittedly, it may not be easily readable by someone who isn't fluent in English, but with the professional translator on the job, they should be able to handle it.

I was also given advice to remove references to my love of computers, my business, and even the steam punk stuff.  And while that may give me more hits, it will give me the wrong people.  I don't want a woman who is going to sit in the corner and look pretty while I do my thing, I want her part of what I do.  I've been married before, and was with my ex for 13 years.  I know well enough where things failed and what worked.  I'm not getting on anyone's case, but I feel that the profile needs to reflect who I am or it simply will be a disservice to all involved.  If that makes my profile fail, then so be it. 

I'm getting a few russian ladies I know in the USA as well as St. Petersburg to take a look and perhaps they will agree with you.  If enough do, I'll give it a shot.  I just feel if the profile ends up being too generic, I'm just the next guy, and that doesn't help.  I've always gotten ladies based on who I am, not from pictures.

But keep the critiques coming, they are useful to me!

Arthur

P.S.  About the computers, someone mentioned that because I said I was writing a video game, that it makes me look financially unstable.  I was thinking of adding a line that says I've been in the financial industry for 17 years.  Perhaps that will make people feel better.

[I/O]

I HAVE traveled to St. Petersburg twice in the last 6 months

Ouch..!! Shot duck right there. You've been tracking around banging whomever you can in the eyes of a considerable number of RW's. 'I am familiar with Russia' or similar is quite enough detail.
 
As for the rest of your profile, I'm sure it's interesting but you lost me about mid way through the second line of text and you'll lose most RW's about mid way through the first. Point is - get your story across in two lines. No acronyms, no abbreviations, no cliches.
 
EOI's: Note my comments a page or so up thread - most RW's I know see it pretty much that way, however a few may respond.
 
Good luck, you should do OK, you look and sound a bit smarter than the average western bear chasing Russian skirt. 

[Vinnvinny]

The rest doesn't quite flow to me.  Ironically, the main part of the personal message was professionally written for my normal dating profile.  Admittedly, it may not be easily readable by someone who isn't fluent in English, but with the professional translator on the job, they should be able to handle it.
 

I know a fair few translators or ladies who speak fluent English. Their exact level often depends on the amount of time they have spent in an English speaking country, or amongst native English speakers.
 
I wouldn’t assume that someone in the FSU who is fluent in English will understand such phrases as ‘one of the too big to fail banks’, ‘bend over backwards’, ‘bible-thumper’, ‘renaissance fair’, ‘steam punk event’ (I’ve spoken English for over half a decade and I have no idea what that is – I couldn’t even hazard a guess).
 

I was also given advice to remove references to my love of computers, my business, and even the steam punk stuff.  And while that may give me more hits, it will give me the wrong people.  I don't want a woman who is going to sit in the corner and look pretty while I do my thing, I want her part of what I do.  I've been married before, and was with my ex for 13 years.  I know well enough where things failed and what worked.  I'm not getting on anyone's case, but I feel that the profile needs to reflect who I am or it simply will be a disservice to all involved.  If that makes my profile fail, then so be it. 
 

My own view (some will disagree I’m sure) on profiles is that is a crap shoot by and large. The best you can hope for is someone you are physically attracted to and who has a profile that ticks a few boxes and doesn’t scare you away. If you can find someone that ticks those boxes then take it to the next level such as email/phone/skype etc. If nothing too scary is unearthed and things are going well then book a flight.
 
I think from what you have written here and on your profile you being way too specific about who you are and who you search for, almost as though you are building a car on the net where you select the colour, trim, extras etc.
 
Go to a site called Real Dolls and your options are infinite and you can design the woman of your dreams. In the real world however being able to compromise in ‘some’ areas is a path that most men and women who have been successful in these endeavours have experienced.
 
For example: You communicate with a lady who checks all the boxes and you think you are the luckiest man alive. But, you subsequent find out that she isn’t quite the cat lover you would have hoped for. Is she history?
 
Or … as above and you are everything she looked for but your lady finds out what a steam punk event is any she realises is isn’t what she thought and she cant get too excited about it. Do you expect to be history?
 
Lastly, ‘Intellect’ should be a lower case ‘i’ and there should be a space between ‘mind’ and the comma. Well you did ask. 

[Daveman]

... I've always gotten ladies based on who I am, not from pictures.

A good point to keep in mind is that, generally speaking, you are exposing your profile to a group of ladies who believe they can "know everything from a photo".


Have your profile professionally translated into Russian and they'll read every word.. why?  because it is easy for them to do so (in a matter of seconds) regardless of how busy they are on the site...  Leave it in English and they'll mostly make snap judgments based on your photo(s) without ever giving your words a second thought.  There are those who disagree with this approach for a variety of idiotic reasons, all of which simply proving beyond reasonable doubt the true nature of both their ignorance and stupidity. 






Option Translate: She will read your profile and understand a little something about who you are and make a more informed decision as to whether to communicate with you.


Option Idiocy: She'll make a decision based pretty much solely on your photos. 








 

[SANDRO43]

‘steam punk event’ (I’ve spoken English for over half a decade and I have no idea what that is – I couldn’t even hazard a guess).

Vinnvinny, only 5+ years with the Queen's English ? You're doing rather well, though . 

I had to look it up in Wikipedia to garner a vague idea .

Lordart, some FSUW who's already into it (0.0001% ?) will certainly understand the reference, the rest will be dumbfounded (a musical genre ?) and 'punk' may put a few off . Maybe a short list of its authors might help clarify for the uninitiated .

[lordart]

To be honest, I seem to get a lot of conflicting advice, which is to be expected I guess.  (But thanks for the grammatical proof reading, that DOES help!)

I put the bit about visiting St. Petersburg there because in one of the articles I've read (perhaps from Elena herself?) is that something like 60% of the ladies never see a foreigner because they never get to the point of getting on a plane because the guy won't go.  I wanted to indicate that I have.  I should change it to I went to St. Petersburg to visit friends recently, which is true.

The Russian Women (RW?) that I have asked to look at my profile seem to see nothing wrong.  Two are IN St. Petersburg (Well, I've only asked one of them) and two are in the USA.  Worse come to worse, I'll ask the USA ones to recheck what the paid translator ends up doing, or perhaps I'll just ask them to do it.  I didn't really intend to drag them into this, but it seems I must.  She did say to pull the bit about steam punk since they may not know what that is.  The lady I visited did know, but only a few weeks before I even mentioned it to her, so it's not unheard of over there.

As far being too specific, I'm not traveling 5000 miles to settle.  I can settle right here and save the trip.  Depending on how low I go from my standards, I can fill that bill real quick.  The lady I traveled across the world to see is/was someone to truly travel the world for.  We are still friends and perhaps one day she'll figure out what she wants, but she isn't the first one to not know when it mattered.  So I'd rather be up front about someone liking cats for example, then falling for someone and having to make the decision to have my cat taken out and shot to keep the woman I care about.  So I feel it's best not to have it get to the point on having to make such a decision.

Unfortunately, most of the lady profiles seem like they are just saying "I'm pretty and I say I'm not crazy, please believe me." because of how little (or non existent) their profiles are.  So if I can filter by my profile, so much the better. 




Arthur

[ML]

"Must love geeks"  <<  Not sure if Russian will understand what 'Geeks' means.   'Russian' ladies might be able to answer you this.

Means he is from the country just to east of Italy and west of Turkey.

[Faux Pas]

To be honest, I seem to get a lot of conflicting advice, which is to be expected I guess.  (But thanks for the grammatical proof reading, that DOES help!)

All good ideas and worth every bit the money you paid for it. Take what you like and leave the rest.

I put the bit about visiting St. Petersburg there because in one of the articles I've read (perhaps from Elena herself?) is that something like 60% of the ladies never see a foreigner because they never get to the point of getting on a plane because the guy won't go.  I wanted to indicate that I have.  I should change it to I went to St. Petersburg to visit friends recently, which is true.

Much of Elena's stuff is well outdated. Just like the advice here, don't believe everything you read.

The Russian Women (RW?) that I have asked to look at my profile seem to see nothing wrong.  Two are IN St. Petersburg (Well, I've only asked one of them) and two are in the USA.  Worse come to worse, I'll ask the USA ones to recheck what the paid translator ends up doing, or perhaps I'll just ask them to do it.  I didn't really intend to drag them into this, but it seems I must.  She did say to pull the bit about steam punk since they may not know what that is.  The lady I visited did know, but only a few weeks before I even mentioned it to her, so it's not unheard of over there.

The English version I personally find pretty "hokey" to put it mildly. Lots of dribble about you attempting to sound romantic. Still, it seems unrealistic you haven't had any more responses than you have. Maybe forget "professionally" done and do one on your own. Keep it short, sweet and to the point. I would suspect few are reading all of it even posted in fluent flowing Russian. Ladies aren't much different men on intro sites. Your profile isn't a place for your life story and few would take the time to read it anyway. One or two professional photos are fine but include a snapshot or two.

As far being too specific, I'm not traveling 5000 miles to settle.  I can settle right here and save the trip.  Depending on how low I go from my standards, I can fill that bill real quick.  The lady I traveled across the world to see is/was someone to truly travel the world for.  We are still friends and perhaps one day she'll figure out what she wants, but she isn't the first one to not know when it mattered.  So I'd rather be up front about someone liking cats for example, then falling for someone and having to make the decision to have my cat taken out and shot to keep the woman I care about.  So I feel it's best not to have it get to the point on having to make such a decision.

Here I suspect might be the crux of the matter. Where exactly are your standards? Are you sending EOIs to the 20 somethings centerfolds? Is your search based solely on looks? Hint: Theirs are too, can you cut the muster? I'm not making any judgements about you Art, you seem like a good, sincere guy. Nobody is suggesting you "settle" but, I am suggesting to keep your expectations realistic. Going to Russia doesn't suddenly make you a 25 year old Adonis

Unfortunately, most of the lady profiles seem like they are just saying "I'm pretty and I say I'm not crazy, please believe me." because of how little (or non existent) their profiles are.  So if I can filter by my profile, so much the better. 

No, what they might be saying is, short and to the point. "I've already determined my level of interest in you from you photo" Most don't have to be overwhelmingly attracted to you to respond. EOIs are lazy. Keep your profile short and write (yourself) a short introduction letter more to what you were trying to state in your profile. Don't hesitate to skip the EOI and just send them the intro letter

Good luck

[lordart]

Needless to say I've been doing a lot of talking with a lot of people.  The USA ladies have agreed to do the translating as I need it, so they want to be as helpful as they can.

I completely agree the profile is hokey.  I never liked it, but anything I write is 100 times worse.  I read a lot about the "getting the attention" of ladies even on normal dating sites, and it seems hokey works, if for no other reason than it doesn't sound like every other guy's profile.  As far as the responses go, I have had about 4 women contact me, none of which I was interested, and of the 10 or so EOIs I've sent out, I've gotten 3 responses, all negative.  But I've only been on the site for a few days.  Most of the ladies who I've EOIed haven't even logged back in yet.  And yes, I'm going for the ones that were around less than a week ago.  As for mailing, for the really important ones, I will mail, but I'm on the gold plan, so I have a certain limit there obviously.

As far as my standards go, they are very high.  Which has always been my problem.  What is worse, is I get the standard (with a lot of dry spells inbetween admittedly), so I'm not as modivated to lower my standards.  The lady I visited in St. Petersburg is 23, not that I was trying for that age, but it just ended up that way.  But that is what happens.  I do FAR better in person that my pictures show.  I don't look my age.  Ladies my age won't talk to me because they think I'm younger than they are, and ladies in their twenties DO because they think I'm 30.  I don't hide the truth, so sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.  But it is hard to date older when the younger are still quite interested.  Many women find me handsome in person, but it's my sense of humor and my intellect that gets them.  That is why online dating has never worked well for me, because my pictures aren't that flattering in my opinion.

This is a try because of how well things almost worked with the lady I visited, and how close to ideal she really was.  Perhaps I was deluding myself, but perhaps not.  All of her friends liked me, and I'm still talking to them too.  So if this doesn't work as a means to find someone, then it doesn't.  But I feel it's worth a serious try and see what I get.  If a woman bases their interest exclusively on my pictures, then I will be sunk unless they really happen to like my look.  So the translated version of my profile will hopefully come back soon.

I do appreciate everyone's insight.  It has been educational and I am keeping everyone's points in mind.

Arthur

[Faux Pas]

Art

Very few men in this pursuit would state or believe they look older than their age, knowwhaddameen? Everybody thinks and feels younger than they are. Of course that's on the inside. The outside is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

The heart wants what the heart wants. Sometimes differentiating the heart from the libido is a very difficult thing for us men to do. Quite often we get them confused. For the lucky ones, they work in tandem.

If you can figure that one out, half the battle is won.

[Olly]

lordart, it is good you look for a your high standard and similar person. But if lady is smart it not means she must be a computer genius or something else. I just look at myself. When i met my ex-husband i could only type the text on the computer. He was IT manager. Now I am web-designer and use Photoshop excellent and have a freelance job for extra money. I studied those programs myself, he couldn't help me cos he is just IT engineer.
So I think you have to understand interests and habits of each other.

[LAman]

Needless to say I've been doing a lot of talking with a lot of people.  The USA ladies have agreed to do the translating as I need it, so they want to be as helpful as they can.

   

As far as my standards go, they are very high.  Which has always been my problem.  What is worse, is I get the standard (with a lot of dry spells inbetween admittedly), so I'm not as modivated to lower my standards.  The lady I visited in St. Petersburg is 23, not that I was trying for that age, but it just ended up that way.  But that is what happens. I do FAR better in person that my pictures show.  I don't look my age.  Ladies my age won't talk to me because they think I'm younger than they are, and ladies in their twenties DO because they think I'm 30.  I don't hide the truth, so sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.  But it is hard to date older when the younger are still quite interested.  Many women find me handsome in person, but it's my sense of humor and my intellect that gets them.  That is why online dating has never worked well for me, because my pictures aren't that flattering in my opinion.

 

I do appreciate everyone's insight.  It has been educational and I am keeping everyone's points in mind.

Arthur

Oh dear...we got to the heart of the matter!!!
What guy here( or anywhere) doesn't look younger than he is???
And in his mind...all the young/er girls are interested in them!!!
Are you saying the older women are not interested in you......because you are too 'young looking'? Who wouldn't want to be with someone younger????
 
 

[Olly]

Who wouldn't want to be with someone younger????

Me 

[Daveman]

Needless to say I've been doing a lot of talking with a lot of people.  The USA ladies have agreed to do the translating as I need it, so they want to be as helpful as they can.

I completely agree the profile is hokey.  I never liked it, but anything I write is 100 times worse.  I read a lot about the "getting the attention" of ladies even on normal dating sites, and it seems hokey works, if for no other reason than it doesn't sound like every other guy's profile.  As far as the responses go, I have had about 4 women contact me, none of which I was interested, and of the 10 or so EOIs I've sent out, I've gotten 3 responses, all negative.  But I've only been on the site for a few days.  Most of the ladies who I've EOIed haven't even logged back in yet.  And yes, I'm going for the ones that were around less than a week ago.  As for mailing, for the really important ones, I will mail, but I'm on the gold plan, so I have a certain limit there obviously.

As far as my standards go, they are very high.  Which has always been my problem.  What is worse, is I get the standard (with a lot of dry spells inbetween admittedly), so I'm not as modivated to lower my standards.  The lady I visited in St. Petersburg is 23, not that I was trying for that age, but it just ended up that way.  But that is what happens.  I do FAR better in person that my pictures show.  I don't look my age.  Ladies my age won't talk to me because they think I'm younger than they are, and ladies in their twenties DO because they think I'm 30.  I don't hide the truth, so sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't.  But it is hard to date older when the younger are still quite interested.  Many women find me handsome in person, but it's my sense of humor and my intellect that gets them.  That is why online dating has never worked well for me, because my pictures aren't that flattering in my opinion.

This is a try because of how well things almost worked with the lady I visited, and how close to ideal she really was.  Perhaps I was deluding myself, but perhaps not.  All of her friends liked me, and I'm still talking to them too.  So if this doesn't work as a means to find someone, then it doesn't.  But I feel it's worth a serious try and see what I get.  If a woman bases their interest exclusively on my pictures, then I will be sunk unless they really happen to like my look.  So the translated version of my profile will hopefully come back soon.

I do appreciate everyone's insight.  It has been educational and I am keeping everyone's points in mind.

Arthur

No need to over complicate the process.  Just write a shorter, more to the point version of your profile...


"Hi future Mrs Lordart, I got money coming outta my ears and I look young for my age, what more do *you* want?


As for me, I just need sex and borsht.  Now that's where you come in... serious inquiries only.. send photo of borsht"






I know, I know.. I'm just a natural at this kind of thing...

[ML]

As for me, I just need sex and borsht.  Now that's where you come in... serious inquiries only.. send photo of borsht"

Wouldn't a smell sample be better?

[Faux Pas]

Wouldn't a smell sample be better?

What about the borsht?