I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia

[AmericanBoy]

you know what guys, as I said. My only intentions was for this to be informative. I feel like I got a good understanding of Russian people and the culture. I never thought I'd spend a year of my life there, but I did. You guys can take what you want from what I write., Some of you guys will agree, some will disagree. I'll be signing out because I can see my intentions are either not understood or people would prefer to look for negatives rather than positives.

[ML]

AB, I wouldn't leave just now.  It is a tough crowd here.

My suggestion:  Stop posting in this thread.  Go to some of the other threads and add your comments as your knowledge allows.  But soft pedal for awhile.  Don't try to post as all-knowing, just as one other voice in the vast crowd.

I think you have some valid info to share.

But if you continue in this thread, the wolves will never let you alone.

[acctBill]

acttBill, he is a young handsome guy with a cute naughty look     

So was I in the 1990's and I have a sexy Brit accent.   In the 1990's using AB's logic I should of been swamped by women in places like Novosibirsk or Perm etc.  Didn't happen to me or any of my colleagues, Americans included.  Six or eight women throwing themselves at him over the course of a year is plausible but dozens, everywhere he goes, pure fantasy.   

[Boethius]

Do you have a link to that 'official policy'?

Here is a link to the explanation behind the rumour: The Wild East

American Boy, I have a question: Where in Russia was you?

Ed is correct about official Soviet policy, Manny, though tongue in cheek.  The reason there was no divorce among Soviet elites was because it would kill your career.  There were brigades of Komsomol members roaming parks for couples having sex. 

There was a "party" morality imposed that was not necessarily accepted by the populace, but when the party controls everything, you need to hide that of which they disapprove.

[Gator]

Americanboy,

Some of us such as me believe you.  I was just having fun with some of the specifics you provided.

Keep in mind that the majority of the  men here date older RW.  One man here did marry a woman at the low end of the age you dated.

Why do I believe you?    Corruption is rampant in Russia.  A corrupt society will breed corrupt people.   So I accept your general opinions of sexual promiscuity and unfaithfulness, yet not everyone is this way.   Fortunately there are many wholesome, decent and sincere women in the FSU.   I assert that these decent women are especially glorious given their environment and how they prevailed above it.
 
Some irony.  I am amazed how many RW complain about how most RM cheat on their wives.   This raises the question:  who are they cheating with? 

-   The prostitutes must be seeing 100 men per day. 

-   And the young RW sleeping with them (who eventually become future wives) must be juggling 10 different sponsors. 


Still the numbers do not add up.  The numbers add up only if most RW wives are also cheating. Or not that many RM are cheating.   Take your choice.
 
 
 
 

[Manny]

Ed is correct about official Soviet policy, Manny, though tongue in cheek.  The reason there was no divorce among Soviet elites was because it would kill your career.  There were brigades of Komsomol members roaming parks for couples having sex.  I have posted here in the past about a couple, both married to other people, who were having sex on top of plywood covering a construction site pit.  They fell through and were killed.  Neither of their families, including parents, would bury them.  There was a "party" morality imposed that was not necessarily accepted by the populace, but when the party controls everything, you need to hide that of which they disapprove.

That isn't about what Ed posted. That is about divorce and cheating. Nice to see Ed still has his guardian angel though. 

On this fellow though, as Misha stated, he does leave out some material facts. His tale rings as largely true although interpreted through his filters. His opinions are controversial here because he saw a side of the society that many wont and/or don't care to see.

I would be interested to know where he was in Russia to imagine he was a rarity as an American, and the medical pics Dan posted and his reference to hospitals would be interesting to read clarification on.

His comment about anal sex in his OP I thought a bit crass, but then again, he is a young lad with much to learn.

[Boethius]

That isn't about what Ed posted. That is about divorce and cheating. Nice to see Ed still has his guardian angel though. 

I just happen to agree with him.
 
I gave the divorce and cheating as examples of the "puritan morality". 
 
Everything he posted was true, including the official party position on sex, not that there is "no sex", but that there was a morality around sex imposed on the society by the party.

[ML]

His comment about anal sex in his OP I thought a bit crass, but then again, he is a young lad with much to learn.

I don't remember him using the word anal.  I recall butt.
Now, depending on the definition of butt and the size of same, then . . . . .

[acctBill]

aside from a few people this is really a tough crowd. I have no reason to lie guys, honestly. I'm sitting here in disbelief that you guys are trying so hard to prove me wrong.

AB the problem is there are people here and on other forums who have been going to Russia and other FSU countries for years, staying for months and years at a time and haven't witnessed FSUW throwing themselves at foreigners by the dozens. If you were a celebrity or masquerading as one, yes it could happen.  If you're rich and flaunting it, it could happen. But a slightly above average American, with a naughty side? A few photos isn't much proof of anything.   

[ML]

Everything he posted was true, including the official party position on sex, not that there is "no sex", but that there was a morality around sex imposed on the society by the party.

So was their supposed to be no sex unless you  were a member of the communist party?  Could you practice if you were part of Kommonsol (or however it is  spelled) under some sort of learner's permit?

[Boethius]

I knew an American who moved to Moscow in the mid 1990's, and had experiences exactly like those AB describes.  He was very average looking, in his twenties, but really smart and witty.  He just went wild.  So, it does happen. 
 
The guy eventually tired of that lifestyle (after five years), fell in love, and married a RW, though last I heard, he was divorced.

[OlgaH]

So was I in the 1990's and I have a sexy Brit accent.   In the 1990's using AB's logic I should of been swamped by women in places like Novosibirsk or Perm etc.  Didn't happen to me or any of my colleagues, Americans included.  Six or eight women throwing themselves at him over the course of a year is plausible but dozens, everywhere he goes, pure fantasy.

acctBill, people do have different charisma 

[Misha]

Post your photo to the waist and let the women here decide if you can compete with AB.

Sorry, it won't happen. However, I have plenty of friends with daughters in their late teens and early twenties, and they are for the most part working and studying and putting a lot of effort into life. Decent young women. Many are already married. 

In my younger years, when I was traveling in Russia in 1995, pretty much the same sage as AB and quite a similar look, I did not have women throwing themselves at me in discos either 

[Gator]

His comment about anal sex in his OP I thought a bit crass, but then again, he is a young lad with much to learn.

"with much to learn" about what .....anal sex?     Some RW indeed enjoy it and some practice it as birth control, not understanding or perhaps caring how risky it is.

[Gator]

Post your photo to the waist and let the women here decide if you can compete with AB.

You are constraining Misha.  We all know part of Misha's attraction rests on top of his shoulders.  Maybe his real prowess is below the waist. 

[AmericanBoy]

AB the problem is there are people here and on other forums who have been going to Russia and other FSU countries for years, staying for months and years at a time and haven't witnessed FSUW throwing themselves at foreigners by the dozens. If you were a celebrity or masquerading as one, yes it could happen.  If you're rich and flaunting it, it could happen. But a slightly above average American, with a naughty side? A few photos isn't much proof of anything.

Bill I've said many times, don't believe it if you don't want to. I know what happened in Russia.

[AmericanBoy]

"with much to learn" about what .....anal sex?     Some RW indeed enjoy it and some practice it as birth control, not understanding or perhaps caring how risky it is.

perhaps it was a bit much to mention it, but it seems like every girl over there preferred that.

[acctBill]

acctBill, people do have different charisma 

Olga nobody has that much charisma.  If he's going into the sex clubs that proliferate throughout Moscow and other Russian cities or dealing with pros he can have sex several times a day everyday of the week.  But he hasn't filled us in on where this happened, all he's said is not Moscow.  AB please tell us where these escapades of yours happened. 

[Manny]

His comment about anal sex in his OP I thought a bit crass, but then again, he is a young lad with much to learn.

I don't remember him using the word anal.  I recall butt.

Whilst I am no expert on American grammar, the phrase....

and [ sorry if this is too much] but they love butt action.

....would usually refer to anal sex in my understanding.

"with much to learn" about what .....anal sex? Some RW indeed enjoy it and some practice it as birth control, not understanding or perhaps caring how risky it is.

Much to learn about life I meant Gator. "Butt action" never floated my boat so I am no expert on that either. I always found the orifice designed for the job more than adequate. I never observed a preference for that in Russia or Eastern Europe personally either. As with the UK, I suspect 'some girls do' applies here.

But I am sure this is lowering the tone and we should move on to something a little more highbrow........

[Boethius]

Sorry, it won't happen.

All hat no cattle.

[Admin]

perhaps it was a bit much to mention it, but it seems like every girl over there preferred that.

"Preferred" ?!? I wrote earlier that I suspect your experience in the FSU was anomalous. If true that "every girl" you encountered in Russia "preferred" anal sex, it further reinforces that your experience was far from the norm.

- Dan

[SFandEE]

Just saw this thread--was hoping AB would be able to hang in with this crowd of salty dogs, but he made it to 5 pages.


I thought it was a good read--some important discussions, reliable tones from the Heroes, but an important discussion.  What I always wonder in such discussions is if anyone has doubts to the character of Russians and Ukrainians they should meet them here first.  My expectation is that would be insightful and help relate to FSUW abroad.


It would also be interesting to hear how a reasonably attractive foreign young man who hung out in the night club scene in US would post about his adventures.


I imagine not many cultures have night club scenes that don't result in a lot of partner sharing.  Maybe those lovely Muslim cultures don't allow fooling around between men and women that aren't married.


Anyways--hope AB isn't gone for good. 


Also enjoyed getting to know Vasilla--will be looking for your posts in the future.

[Boethius]

So was their supposed to be no sex unless you  were a member of the communist party?  Could you practice if you were part of Kommonsol (or however it is  spelled) under some sort of learner's permit?

Yes, you needed to take lessons.
 
Seriously, it was just very repressive, and any hint of scandal could ruin your prospects for an education, or your vacation would be moved to the middle of December.  Yet under the surface, it was exactly as Ed described.

[ML]

 some practice it as birth control

Apparently not very effectively.  We call many people A-holes.  Where do you think such people came from?

[Spoon]

Bill I've said many times, don't believe it if you don't want to. I know what happened in Russia.

AB, try and see it from our point of view.
You're pretty heavy on the detail when it comes to 'neck/ear sucking' 'hands up dresses', 'chests rubbing', 'butt action' & 'Spetsnaz raids'. But it's pretty thin on detail about why, where, how you came to be there - heck, I don't even think you have mentioned what City or Cities you were in. You gotta give us something to try and validate your story.