I'll give you guys some feedback based on what I experienced in russia

[happyandstable]

Russian girls seem to not have very much loyalty. I was in Russia most of this past year and girls were cheating on their husbands and boyfriends with me left and right, even girls who I would never expect it from...  My girlfriends always treated me as if I was their husband and they both were very loyal to me after we created a relationship, probably because I was a decent looking American boy. I met both of these girls in a hospital. Both told me "no, I'm single" and then later I found out both had boyfriends at home. I have many many stories when I hooked up with random girls too.

During this time he was still with the America Girlfriend according to him!

The 39 year old would get drunk and come into my room and I'd tell her go to bed. She was a super hot milf too, not the early babuska lady. She was married for 19 years and according to her, only had sex with her husband. Started off with just flirting but eventually she would get in her panties trying to climb into my bed, telling me how her husband loves it that she gets so wet and she hasn't had sex in 2 months, the longest its ever been. All the while I'm telling her to go to bed because she has to get up early.

Me and another mid 30's lady had just finished talking about her life and family and she began to try and kiss me. I told her not allowed and pointed to her ring finger. She kept trying and tried to put my hand up her dress. I puled it back and she asked me who I came to that flat for. I understood her question but said I didn't understand because I didn't want to be rude. 

   Here he admits he lied to a married woman and If you read his post right he went over to her flat she did not come to him. If you think he went there all innocent I have a bridge I can sell you. Further more what is he doing hanging out with married women in the first place! But you believe what you want His words speak for themselves.

[AmericanBoy]

Happy- you sound like a guy who has no chance at getting a girl. Let me clarify for you. I went BACK to her flat. It was the day after new years and the Russians party like crazy during that holiday, drink drink drink and drink for days. 3 ladies and a guy came to our flat with a bottle of vodka, one of my roommates was not at all into it so me and the other roommate went back to the ladies flat. Explain what I did wrong in this situation.

you know what bud, I'm human and all humans make mistakes, even you. I was with the American girl for 9 years and as I said, my eyes never saw another girl. I had plenty of chances to cheat on her and the thought never crossed my mind. The russian girl came into my life at a point where I absolutely needed her emotionally. Probably the lowest point of my life. You will never understand because you will never be in that position.

You can say whatever you want about my character ( even though though you know nothing about me) but the facts remain the same. I saw so much infidelity in the hospital. SO SO SO much.

Someone mentioned it earlier. It's funny when guys who have never been to russia or know one russian girl try and defend them.

[missAmeno]

Russian girls seem to not have very much loyalty. I was in Russia most of this past year and girls were cheating on their husbands and boyfriends with me left and right, even girls who I would never expect it from...  My girlfriends always treated me as if I was their husband and they both were very loyal to me after we created a relationship, probably because I was a decent looking American boy. I met both of these girls in a hospital. Both told me "no, I'm single" and then later I found out both had boyfriends at home. I have many many stories when I hooked up with random girls too.

During this time he was still with the America Girlfriend according to him!

In russian language "girlfriends" means female friends.

Me and another mid 30's lady had just finished talking about her life and family and she began to try and kiss me. I told her not allowed and pointed to her ring finger. She kept trying and tried to put my hand up her dress. I puled it back and she asked me who I came to that flat for. I understood her question but said I didn't understand because I didn't want to be rude.

Here he admits he lied to a married woman and If you read his post right he went over to her flat she did not come to him. If you think he went there all innocent I have a bridge I can sell you. Further more what is he doing hanging out with married women in the first place! But you believe what you want His words speak for themselves.

Knowing FSU life I think AB have been going with some friends to some appartment to hang out. Woman just asked if he is not interested in her in what girl he interested then.

[happyandstable]

you know what bud, I'm human and all humans make mistakes, even you. I was with the American girl for 9 years and as I said, my eyes never saw another girl. I had plenty of chances to cheat on her and the thought never crossed my mind. The russian girl came into my life at a point where I absolutely needed her emotionally. Probably the lowest point of my life. You will never understand because you will never be in that position.

    You are totally wrong here! Try being in the hospital when you just had a child 3 months prior. I spent a total of three months in the hospital trying to save my foot, with the end result of losing my left leg below the knee. Also during that same time my wife call me up while I was in the hospital and I was told I no longer have a wife and daughter because she could not live with an amputee. Talk about low moments hah you do not know the meaning of the word! You where weak and you know it you cheated and I am right and you know it! I have never used my circumstances in life to justify treating others like dirt, as you have! That is all ok you can rationalize it any way you want but the facts are the same you both lied and cheated your way through it Thank God I chose not to follow your path. I have no problem meeting and getting women to like me, but finding someone to share your life as an equal partner is a matter of being patience and waiting for the right one.

[Eduard]

but the facts remain the same. I saw so much infidelity in the hospital. SO SO SO much.

In the old Soviet days they used to hospitalise gays and dissidents by force, do you think that now they are doing this to the Russian women who are predisposed to be unfaithful? Hence the reason so many cheaters were in the hospital you were at?


Jokes aside, I think that people are people anywhere you go and you will probably find just about as many cheating women in Russia as here in the US. As I always say, the trick is to get to know and really understand who the person is before you marry them. I think that many "Russian bride" seekers fail to do this very important part.

[AmericanBoy]

I agree Eduard. My opinion was meant to be a tip, something for these boys to be aware of. I think many people have the misconception Russian girls are saints, this was my opinion before going to russia.

[AmericanBoy]

    You are totally wrong here! Try being in the hospital when you just had a child 3 months prior. I spent a total of three months in the hospital trying to save my foot, with the end result of losing my left leg below the knee. Also during that same time my wife call me up while I was in the hospital and I was told I no longer have a wife and daughter because she could not live with an amputee. Talk about low moments hah you do not know the meaning of the word! You where weak and you know it you cheated and I am right and you know it! I have never used my circumstances in life to justify treating others like dirt, as you have! That is all ok you can rationalize it any way you want but the facts are the same you both lied and cheated your way through it Thank God I chose not to follow your path. I have no problem meeting and getting women to like me, but finding someone to share your life as an equal partner is a matter of being patience and waiting for the right one.

So you were in a foreign country with nobody to communicate with? Not even the nurses? This girl and one other boy were the only 2 that knew some english and they're the ones I bonded with when I arrived.. I remember when the guy left my eyes filled with water because I knew I was almost alone.

Place judgement on me, I don't care. I've been dealing with guys like you since high school and yes thank god you're not as bad as "American boy".

[AmericanBoy]

Russian ladies  fall still prey to the 30+ yo american boy who felt so lonely far away from his NY.  Poor boy was overwhelmed with Tymen RW hospitality, but he resisted couple month before start to live with 17 yo girl. OK, he can be charming, indeed. I just don't get why he keep to being obsessed with his inferiority complex about his appearance (the reason he made the trip to Russia). MissAmeno, don't worry about his health condition, he is fine 

I never lived with any girl. I had a long distance relationship ( 3 or so hours apart) and I saw her once a month. She helped me through it all emotionally.

Can you do me a favor and quote where I've claimed my looks to be inferior. People asked if I was a hunk  blah blah blah and I said I'm just an ordinary boy, a notch above average.  Many of the posters  (girls and guys) have said it was due to my looks and maybe some of the rest of you have came to this conclusion as well...

I know I'm alright looking guy, I think I had my first real gf at 13 and have never had an issue getting one after that. Part of it may be due to looks, part of it character, who knows but I didn't come here to feel superior to a bunch of middle age men on the search for a wife. My motive remained the same the whole time, to share my opinion for the guys that are looking for a RW

[happyandstable]

Just for the record AB I did not judge you; I just restated what you had already stated yourself. If you whish to see that is judging you then so be it. So now we can have individual meanings for our words nothing new under the sun.

[Patagonie]

You guys are so critical here. He was speaking in general based on what he recommends to his customers. Clearly he didn't mean to advise that I get with a 13 year old.

  True it is clearly what i have understood, like you.

[AmericanBoy]

Just for the record AB I did not judge you; I just restated what you had already stated yourself. If you whish to see that is judging you then so be it. So now we can have individual meanings for our words nothing new under the sun.

say what you want, clearly your post was an attack against me

[LiveFromUkraine]

You where weak and you know it you cheated and I am right and you know it! I have never used my circumstances in life to justify treating others like dirt, as you have! That is all ok you can rationalize it any way you want but the facts are the same you both lied and cheated your way through it Thank God I chose not to follow your path. I have no problem meeting and getting women to like me, but finding someone to share your life as an equal partner is a matter of being patience and waiting for the right one.

Just for the record AB I did not judge you; I just restated what you had already stated yourself. If you whish to see that is judging you then so be it. So now we can have individual meanings for our words nothing new under the sun.

Are you on medication?

Of course you were judging him.  Have you lived in a country where you couldn't speak the language and didn't know anyone? 

If not then you can't compare.

[happyandstable]

Are you on medication?

Of course you were judging him.  Have you lived in a country where you couldn't speak the language and didn't know anyone? 

If not then you can't compare.

[AmericanBoy]

at least we know you have a sense of you humor and you can laugh at yourself along with the rest of us

[Belvis]

I never lived with any girl. I had a long distance relationship ( 3 or so hours apart) and I saw her once a month. She helped me through it all emotionally.

Can you do me a favor and quote where I've claimed my looks to be inferior. People asked if I was a hunk  blah blah blah and I said I'm just an ordinary boy, a notch above average.  Many of the posters  (girls and guys) have said it was due to my looks and maybe some of the rest of you have came to this conclusion as well...

I'm sorry, I did not realize your talk about "butt action" and cheating was simply talk about intentions. As for inferior looks: I've said not about looks but about your obsession with how you looks. I meant some of your background before you've visited Russia. My point is: you looks nice, girls are interested in you, so why you spent so much time and money to look young tall handsome celebrity?

[happyandstable]

   Make no mistake AB I am not laughing at myself. (oh wait by your own admission you have made mistakes like going to russia in the first place).

[LiveFromUkraine]

at least we know you have a sense of you humor and you can laugh at yourself along with the rest of us

AB, I have found those people that judge the most are normally the people to distrust. 

[LiveFromUkraine]

   Make no mistake AB I am not laughing at myself. (oh wait by your own admission you have made mistakes like going to russia in the first place).

By your admission, you picked a women with bad character.  Then again, maybe she was just honest and knew her limitations.  Nothing wrong with that either. 

That is ok, at least you had other people to help out emotionally.   We all make mistakes.

[mies]

Well, somehow, I don't believe are author is really cognizant of all the folk terminology for the various police officers of the Russian Federation, and I still say he is writing nothing but fiction 

It may have been not the spetznaz, but raids in clubs are not that uncommon. But they do not [dot]only[/dot] check IDs. They look for people who are high on drugs, and they check IDs to be able to properly identify and arrest those people who are found intoxicated on illegal substances. In Russia there were several cases when the police (i don't remember what specific unit it was) kept "clubbers" in the club for many hours, took away mobile phones and threatened them in various ways. Then they made clubbers (one-by-one) urinate to collect samples for drug tests. Those who were on drugs were then arrested and taken to police station. This story was all over newspapers, and many witnesses have published their account of events in personal blogs or online forums. Similar police raids are also becoming increasingly common in Ukraine. Although in Ukraine the main purpose is to collect bribes from "potentially arrestable" people. Some of my friends were actually in a ukrainian club when it was raided. What they tell me is also very different from a "relaxed" raid described in the OP's post.

So I agree with Misha, this:
""with the music off and lights on, all eyes were on me because I was the American guy. This girl would not get off me, everyone was watching and she was sucking on my neck and kissing on my ear. I was too drunk to really care but I still kinda cared."" does not sound like a real police raid in either Russian or Ukraine.

[mies]

What does the way I treat a girl have anything to do with the way these Russian ladies behave? This isn't about me, its about them.

No, I think it's about you. No need to put tags "bad girl" or "good girl." You are as guilty in cheating as they are. Decent people don't do what you were doing.
Although I do agree that part about giving you phone money and buying food for you even though she is in dare state - is quite typical for RW. The sad thing is that you never learned to appreciate good treatment, and don't know how to reciprocate. But then - look at paragraph #1 in my response.

[mies]

but some young people especially drunk don't care and continue to do what they were doing for example standing and kissing 

Olga, you know, police during the raids in night clubs is usually not that courteous, they do not stand by side quietly, waiting patiently while the girl finishes sucking on guy's ear or neck so that they can then politely ask for ID's.
It has just occurred to me: maybe Americanboy was intoxicated to the point that he started hallucinating. And a pat-search by policeman he took as a sexual advances of a pretty girl? and then he just dozed off so he doesn't remember anything of what happened next? 

[mies]

two of them even invited him to stay in the apartment they rented, I don't know if they have had sex or not.

We invite sometimes people whom we like and connect with to stay with us. And no, we do not have sex with these people. I had friends staying with me in the past, boys or girls, we never had sex. I stayed over at people's places, boys and girls - no sex either. It's a famous slavic "hospitality."

I've been trying to understand what brushes me the wrong way in AB's post, and I think I sort of know now.

Here is an American boy. Sexually liberated, friendly, open, wordly, but also what you would say "a classic guy next door" - charming, unintimidating, not uptight nor arrogant etc etc.

Then he discovers something so significant that he must share it with other people. Something that fundamentally changed his view of Russia. And what it is? Oh. Russian girls like sex too. Who would have thought, right? And because of this they are.... BINGO! - bad girls. AB, do you think it is wrong for a single woman to sleep with whoever she likes? Strange to hear these patriarchic nonsense from an "irresistible and oh so sexy modern boy."

Then he has several women making a pass on him while he knows they have partners and he concludes that cheating is the norm in Russia. Do you imply that I, my mom, my sister, and multiple cousins and female relatives are cheaters? Or do you imply that we are abnormal? Do you at least realize how offensive your words, posts and statements are?

And finally, here is this guy. Came to foreign country. People greet you with open arms, invite you to their home, invite you to their heart and soul, give you their money and time when they don't have enough for themselves - the standard "a russian will give his last shirt to a friend," and what sort of gratitude do they get from you? Your conclusion that they are ... immoral, cheating, and so on. Really? This is the logical conclusion you made? It would be very educating for all girls who dated you to read your posts in this thread. I bet you will be the first and last American they ever dated or talked to.


 

[happyandstable]

We invite sometimes people whom we like and connect with to stay with us. And no, we do not have sex with these people. I had friends staying with me in the past, boys or girls, we never had sex. I stayed over at people's places, boys and girls - no sex either. It's a famous slavic "hospitality."

I've been trying to understand what brushes me the wrong way in AB's post, and I think I sort of know now.

Here is an American boy. Sexually liberated, friendly, open, wordly, but also what you would say "a classic guy next door" - charming, unintimidating, not uptight nor arrogant etc etc.

Then he discovers something so significant that he must share it with other people. Something that fundamentally changed his view of Russia. And what it is? Oh. Russian girls like sex too. Who would have thought, right? And because of this they are.... BINGO! - bad girls. AB, do you think it is wrong for a single woman to sleep with whoever she likes? Strange to hear these patriarchic nonsense from an "irresistible and oh so sexy modern boy."

Then he has several women making a pass on him while he knows they have partners and he concludes that cheating is the norm in Russia. Do you imply that I, my mom, my sister, and multiple cousins and female relatives are cheaters? Or do you imply that we are abnormal? Do you at least realize how offensive your words, posts and statements are?

And finally, here is this guy. Came to foreign country. People greet you with open arms, invite you to their home, invite you to their heart and soul, give you their money and time when they don't have enough for themselves - the standard "a russian will give his last shirt to a friend," and what sort of gratitude do they get from you? Your conclusion that they are ... immoral, cheating, and so on. Really? This is the logical conclusion you made? It would be very educating for all girls who dated you to read your posts in this thread. I bet you will be the first and last American they ever dated or talked to.

   This is what has bothered me with this post from the beginning. Here we have our “Hero” AB with a girlfriend back home. Now he cheats on her while he was in a foreign country, and now comes and tells us that all Russian women are cheaters. He totally glosses over the fact that HE chose to go to Russia to get this medical procedure when he could have stayed home and done the same thing. Now he cries and says that he was all alone no one to talk to and he Needed some comfort. So he cheated on his girlfriend. He knew full well that going to Russia to get a medical procedure done would put him in this situation in the first place! Did he prepare himself by trying to at least learn the language rudimentarily before he went? My guess would be no. 

   So now, to rationalize his own bad behavior, he wants to blame it on the women he met in Russia. Where were his high morals when he was cheating on his girlfriend back home? Now when we call it on him he says we are judging him harshly. How can we be judging him when it was his own words that told us his story. Rather then be a Man and realize what he was getting himself into by going to a foreign country to get this medical procedure done. He instead uses it as an excuse to not only cheat on his girlfriend back, home but on all these Russian girls’ boyfriends and husbands (as he claims). Then he turns the tables around and calls them all the cheaters never taking responsibility for his own culpability. I suspect like water seeking its own level Our Hero sought out people just like him. Individuals that are willing to for the moment not care they have a significant other waiting at home and engage in what every behavior they deem appropriate at the moment.

   Then he turns around and comes here and tries to paint with a wide general brush and state that all Russian women are like him and share the behavior that he can not keep his wee little winnie in his pants. AB can claim anything he wants but at the very least he should admit that he is just as culpable as those he was unfaithful with. Who is worse the Cheater or the Cheatee. No difference IMHO.

[OlgaH]

Olga, you know, police during the raids in night clubs is usually not that courteous, they do not stand by side quietly, waiting patiently while the girl finishes sucking on guy's ear or neck so that they can then politely ask for ID's.
It has just occurred to me: maybe Americanboy was intoxicated to the point that he started hallucinating. And a pat-search by policeman he took as a sexual advances of a pretty girl? and then he just dozed off so he doesn't remember anything of what happened next? 

Mies, I guess you missed my post

Misha, that's fine  The OP wrote that he was too drunk, so most likely he had an impaired perception of event that night and his memories of course could be impaired as well. Not a big deal 

Spetsnaz is a folk name for OMON in Russia.

[mendeleyev]

Then he has several women making a pass on him while he knows they have partners and he concludes that cheating is the norm in Russia. Do you imply that I, my mom, my sister, and multiple cousins and female relatives are cheaters? Or do you imply that we are abnormal? Do you at least realize how offensive your words, posts and statements are?

And finally, here is this guy. Came to foreign country. People greet you with open arms, invite you to their home, invite you to their heart and soul, give you their money and time when they don't have enough for themselves - the standard "a russian will give his last shirt to a friend," and what sort of gratitude do they get from you? Your conclusion that they are ... immoral, cheating, and so on. Really? This is the logical conclusion you made? It would be very educating for all girls who dated you to read your posts in this thread. I bet you will be the first and last American they ever dated or talked to.

Спасибо за отличную анализ!