hello

[lakeShoreMark]

hi, new here. just recently started searching and have a couple of questions.
do you guys recommend russia or the ukraine?
what sites can i trust?

[Gator]

 
 
Good to meet you Mark.  Ukraine vs. Russia?   
 
-  It is easier to travel to Ukraine because it grants a tourist visa upon arrival.  Russia does not.  It costs a few hundred bucks dependent upon how you obtain the visa, and it takes time.

-  Culture and mentality of women are similar.
 
-  The economy is much better in Russia, so there is less desperation to emigrate.  Many men have some jingle in their pocket and would be your competitor.   Even in Ukraine you can find many women who are not desperate to leave.. Avoid desperate women, seek challenge women.  Warning:   You may not be able to convince a challenge woman to leave.

[lakeShoreMark]

thanks gator. i agree that dating a desperate woman would not be a good thing. thanks for your reply.

[ECOCKS]

Ukraine.

Same fish, very slightly different pond.

[lakeShoreMark]

so far this place seems pretty interesting.

[noelscot]

hi, new here. just recently started searching and have a couple of questions.
do you guys recommend russia or the ukraine?
what sites can i trust?

Go here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
 
Ukraine or Russia? Run for your life, man! It's not too late to turn back. (That's a joke  .) I've only been to Ukraine and cannot speak to the chances in one vs the other.
 
This is also chock full of wisdom: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=24
 
 

[lakeShoreMark]

Go here: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
 
Ukraine or Russia? Run for your life, man! It's not too late to turn back. (That's a joke  .) I've only been to Ukraine and cannot speak to the chances in one vs the other.
 
This is also chock full of wisdom: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=24

thanks i'll check it out

[lakeShoreMark]

found this article pretty interesting:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/11/all-the-single-ladies/8654/

[lakeShoreMark]

boy, looks like this search is going to be very time consuming. so many profiles! how to know who's for real, who's going to be compatible? i've talked to a couple of women, their english seems to be very limited. i suppose this can take several hours each day to get any results. my free time is very limited due to my business. any suggestions on how to speed this process up?
i was contacted by private messaging system by Mila from Kharkov. has any one here used her services? how would you rate them? i wouldn't mind using a good service if 1. it would save me a lot of time 2. i would be married to a good woman from the FSU at the end.
i'll be doing more reading on this very informative site trying to figure things out as much as time allows. but if any one has any suggestions as to how to make this venture as productive as possible with the least amount of investment in time i'd love to hear from you. thank you in advance.

[ECOCKS]

boy, looks like this search is going to be very time consuming. so many profiles! how to know who's for real, who's going to be compatible? i've talked to a couple of women, their english seems to be very limited. i suppose this can take several hours each day to get any results. my free time is very limited due to my business. any suggestions on how to speed this process up?
i was contacted by private messaging system by Mila from Kharkov. has any one here used her services? how would you rate them? i wouldn't mind using a good service if 1. it would save me a lot of time 2. i would be married to a good woman from the FSU at the end.
i'll be doing more reading on this very informative site trying to figure things out as much as time allows. but if any one has any suggestions as to how to make this venture as productive as possible with the least amount of investment in time i'd love to hear from you. thank you in advance.

Feeling rushed this early in the game isn't such a great sign Mark.

There is no sure-fired way to do this quickly and easily. You have to approach it with at least as much caution as you would a relationship in a culture where you understood everything from having lived there all your life.

There will be the screening, getting-to-know you, let's pursue this and what do you think phases, just like you have to do anytime you are considering spending a lifetime with someone.

Deep breaths, read the Commandments, look over the threads and form your own strategy before deciding what tactics you're going to use to TRY to make this happen.

[Lily]

Hello Mark, your profile says that you are from IL? are you by chance in Chicago?
There is a big Ukrainian community in Chicago. I lived there in Ukrainian Village during my studies (Chicago Avenue and Walton). Did you try to test the waters in Chicago first?
There is also a Russian community in the northern part, but IMO it is less than the Ukrainian one.

[lakeShoreMark]

Hello Mark, your profile says that you are from IL? are you by chance in Chicago?
There is a big Ukrainian community in Chicago. I lived there in Ukrainian Village during my studies (Chicago Avenue and Walton). Did you try to test the waters in Chicago first?
There is also a Russian community in the northern part, but IMO it is less than the Ukrainian one.

hi Lily, i did date a girl from the Ukraine for a little while (here in Chicago), but she was too young for me and in the end i realized that although she seemed to enjoy our time together she was trying to use me. i don't like to be used so i broke that relationship off. i am exploring all options locally as well as internationally. my only limitation is free time

[lakeShoreMark]

Feeling rushed this early in the game isn't such a great sign Mark.

There is no sure-fired way to do this quickly and easily. You have to approach it with at least as much caution as you would a relationship in a culture where you understood everything from having lived there all your life.

There will be the screening, getting-to-know you, let's pursue this and what do you think phases, just like you have to do anytime you are considering spending a lifetime with someone.

Deep breaths, read the Commandments, look over the threads and form your own strategy before deciding what tactics you're going to use to TRY to make this happen.

"feeling rushed" and not wanting to waste time (which is in limited supply) is not the same thing. i'm not a child and possess enough life experience to know that any relationship takes time build and work to maintain. yet when I read that some men spend several years on their search, make many wasteful trips just for the learning experience makes me wonder if there is a better way? i don't want to become an expert on dating russian women, i just want to find a nice woman to build a life with.

[Shadow]

If you do not have the time to make your own, the best way is to learn from the mistakes of others. Now you may seem to think it is a waste of time to make some trips, but if you were to take over a business, would you not do due diligence and drop the ones that were not viable ? In this case you are not talking about taking over a business, but about sharing what is supposed to be the rest of your life with someone. You might want to think about spending some time and effort in to that.

As for Russia vs Ukraine, I wonder why you would limit yourself. Find someone that you believe to have a connection with, or if you prefer to have more than one candidate, find several that you feel you might build one with.
Write them, call them, get on a plane and visit. If you do not succeed the first time, repeat or find another way to waste your life.

[lakeShoreMark]

If you do not have the time to make your own, the best way is to learn from the mistakes of others. Now you may seem to think it is a waste of time to make some trips, but if you were to take over a business, would you not do due diligence and drop the ones that were not viable ? In this case you are not talking about taking over a business, but about sharing what is supposed to be the rest of your life with someone. You might want to think about spending some time and effort in to that.

As for Russia vs Ukraine, I wonder why you would limit yourself. Find someone that you believe to have a connection with, or if you prefer to have more than one candidate, find several that you feel you might build one with.
Write them, call them, get on a plane and visit. If you do not succeed the first time, repeat or find another way to waste your life.

good point, shadow ))

[lakeShoreMark]

just finished reading one of the Jack versus Eduard threads. wow! pretty entertaining but i hope these two never get married to each other. too much passion under one roof can be dangerous. i found this summary to be level headed  http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14115.msg281891#msg281891
it seems that both Jack www.firstdream.com and Eduard www.realrussianmatch.com offer services that can be useful to some one like me. i don't mind paying an expert to help me along if it saves me time. time is money.
would appreciate your thoughts on these services as well as Mila's service.

is this true? 20% of russian women are nuts?  http://realrussianmatch.com/russian-women-with-mental-disorders/

[Gator]

it seems that both Jack www.firstdream.com and Eduard www.realrussianmatch.com offer services that can be useful to some one like me. i don't mind paying an expert to help me along if it saves me time. time is money.
would appreciate your thoughts on these services as well as Mila's service.

If you indeed have limited time, you do need help.  Jack and/or Eduard could provide this help.  I have not used such services, and I suggest you contact each directly. 

is this true? 20% of russian women are nuts?  http://realrussianmatch.com/russian-women-with-mental-disorders/

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14498.0

[Daveman]

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is this true? 20% of russian women are nuts?  http://realrussianmatch.com/russian-women-with-mental-disorders/

Welcome to RWD, Mark.


When you begin to date them, you'll soon believe that percentage to be much higher.
 


Many of them also seem to be nuts because of their mentality/approach to and view of life being so different from ours.  You'll sometimes feel as if you have warped into a parallel universe, which basically, you pretty much have.

[Faux Pas]

is this true? 20% of russian women are nuts?  http://realrussianmatch.com/russian-women-with-mental-disorders/

I would find that number to be low with women from any country 

[lakeShoreMark]

Welcome to RWD, Mark.


When you begin to date them, you'll soon believe that percentage to be much higher.
 


Many of them also seem to be nuts because of their mentality/approach to and view of life being so different from ours.  You'll sometimes feel as if you have warped into a parallel universe, which basically, you pretty much have.

thanks, Dave! now you got me thinking! 

[Vaughn]

Welcome to RWD, lakeShoreMark. Somehow I'm finding it difficult to put myself in your shoes and "not feel rushed". OK, so time is limited, and what can we do to realize more productivity? There are a few things that quickly come to mind....
 
1) Given that your free time is so limited, it is paramount that you succeed in locating a good woman who will be able to happily and willingly deal with that limitation, perhaps not only during courtship (which never should be rushed) but also afterwards when you are together - assuming that limited time also hampers your regular availablity to others during your normal work week. Such a factor demands you set this as one of your criteria, and resist the temptation to dismiss it as pretty faces and to-die-for figures cloud judgment.
 
2) Work on a list of your requirements and desires. Will she always have been a single lady? Is a divorced woman appealing to you? Has she a child? Is she 25, 30, 35 - and wanting children? I suspect you already know these answers, but what about her own life experience? Is she close to her immediate family, who will be affected by her departure? Pay close attention to her own desires and expectations, and disqualify yourself immediately if you do not meet any of them.
 
3) Russia or Ukraine. It's important to choose one and eliminate the other, and then focus on a particular city that will not require a huge investment of extra travel time. Narrowing down a short list to cities distant from one another only means you must eliminate one or the other.
 
4) Convince yourself how frivolous it will be to make snap decisions and compromises based on your limited time. It's a trap that's burned many a Western man. Better you accept in your heart of hearts that a journey East might produce an overseas experience - and nothing more. How some men define that could range from utter failure to valuable enlightenment.
 
5) Spend much time beyond her profile and e-mails talking...  no, conversing - about things that are most important to both of you. I never had the benefit of Skype and I urge you to take full advantage of this relatively new technology. I also recommend you develop rapport with a solid Russian-speaking woman over here who can offer you her unbiased opinion after a 3-way call with any woman to whom you consider devoting your limited time.
 
6) Ask yourself honestly if you've exhausted all means of increasing your own personal free time. Every extra day found could make a difference. Will it even be possible to make a second visit in a given year? If not, I would plan to travel late in the year, so as to allow the possibility of a follow up trip soon afterwards in the next year.
 
So many other factors come to mind (language, etc) that I keep returning to the same thought - do not deny a wonderful candidate the time she may need to grow close and feel comfortable with you, based on your limitations.
 

[lakeShoreMark]

thank you Vaughn. good advice for any one who is starting this search.

[lakeShoreMark]

hello, been a while since i visited this place. i've been travelling and haven't had much time to read or post. but here i am having a day off in florida of all places. much has happened since my last visit here and now i find myself trying to make a decision of a lifetime. i have met several wonderful russian women, but two of them i think are outstanding and the chemistry is very strong with both. but how do you know which one is the one? it would be dishonest to date both until i figure things out. so what do you do in this situation?

[CDW]

hi, new here. just recently started searching and have a couple of questions.
do you guys recommend russia or the ukraine?
what sites can i trust?

In addition to Gator's 1st posting.

The Ukraine is, of course easier to travel than Russia because of visa free.  But, if everyone wants to go to the Ukraine for that reason, then there will be many Russian ladies available (advantage for you to go for the Russian)

[Faux Pas]

hello, been a while since i visited this place. i've been travelling and haven't had much time to read or post. but here i am having a day off in florida of all places. much has happened since my last visit here and now i find myself trying to make a decision of a lifetime. i have met several wonderful russian women, but two of them i think are outstanding and the chemistry is very strong with both. but how do you know which one is the one? it would be dishonest to date both until i figure things out. so what do you do in this situation?

That's a good problem to have. Nobody can answer it for you. IMHO, neither one has stood out to be the "one" or you wouldn't find yourself with this dilemma. That is not to say they are not outstanding women. Likely they are. But probably, not for you if you can't choose one over the other.