Ukrainian Women vs Colombian Women

[IAmZon]

I find myself in a unique position to comment on this subject ...


Life / Living:  Life in Colombia can be GOOD.  It can be luxurious and damn near perfect - especially if you stay out of Medellin and Cali. The cost of living is very very favorable.  The people and officials are friendly and curious.  It can be very positive and whatever you make it.  Ukraine?  Much less so.   The service is poor everywhere.  There is little accumulated wealth in the middle class; thus everything is either sort of nice and first world expensive, or crap. 


Trust and Honesty among people.  About the same.  It seems easier to find a mate and loyal partner in Ukraine.   It is possible for a gringo to be accepted in Colombia as an equal after some time - 4 years and language.  I do not get the impression that is ever possible in Ukraine. 


There seems to be the same brutal class system in both countries - the Very rich and the poor.  However, Colombia seems to have a better middle class.  It seems to me that Colombians have more upward mobility. 


Other advantages are distance, plus it is easier to learn Spanish than Russian - AND YES, there are no short cuts!  You have to learn, or try damn hard to learn the language of the country in which you visit / life IMO.


Women


Self-Esteem...  Well, I have known very very attractive Latinas.  But, I never remember being "nervous" or "excited" by one.  Colombians, men and women, tend to be child-like.  They tend, culturally, to have a low self-esteem.  They, genetically and generally speaking, come from slaves .... and it shows in their behavior.  (I know this is harsh, pero lo es verdad)   Ukrainian woman walk and carry themselves with more grace and self-worth.   They let you know they are on your level pretty fast.  They are proud and inwardly strong.  They have much to offer.


Both groups of women seem slow to trust deeply.  When Colombianas trust, then they do, they are "all-in".  If they find out that there husband is cheating, they will pay a bruja to put a curse on the other woman to stop it.  They tend to be "simple" and "loyal".  I do not know if this is the case with UW?


Passion / Affection.   Latinas are EASY!  Sorry it is the truth.  UW seem to be much more slow and proper (I have admittedly limited experience)  Latinas love a man that has "game" and can "peacock".  UW seem to dislike this very much.   Latinas are very loving and physically affectionate - ALWAYS  UW shun public displays of affection, and have a rather cool exterior.


UW seem to have a strength of character that Colombianas can not come close to.   


Colombianas are FUN and LOVE LIFE all the time.  They are LATE for everything.  They live in the moment.   UW are much more serious - even when the occasion does not justify it.   


Sexually, well I do not think I can ever have it any better than I already have had it.  I "doubt" UW can equal / top Colombianas in that department.  But, that is a small thing, actually, in a serious relationship.  I think we are talking about meaningless "degrees" of good.  I am lucky to own a comparison!   ( One Colombiana sticks in my mind - she was a physical gift - AMAZING.  But, then she would open up her month, or go smoke a marijuana joint - hell; what can a man do with that in the long run?  Nada)


Even though the Colombian culture has been very difficult and violent, the Ukrainian culture and history seems moreso. 


There are ambiocas (girls that are ambitious) and crave life-style improvement and status climbing over good traditional ethics.


It is HARD to find a very very beautiful women anywhere in the world that is not negatively affected by her beauty.


Those are my rambling thoughts

[Doll]

Then you need to go for Colombians. Seems like they are much "easier" for a family life.

[Gylden]

"They are LATE for everything"     LOL that brought back memories of my Peruvian/Chillean experience.
 
Nicely done Rivardco!

[Belvis]

Then you need to go for Colombians. Seems like they are much "easier" for a family life.

"Easy" family life is either absolutely happy marriage or boring a man to death. I incline to believe in the last option. Men are need the some level of pressure from women to perfect themselves in every aspect of life  .

[vwrw]

Latinas love a man that has "game" and can "peacock".  UW seem to dislike this very much.   

I have not understood what you meant by "game" and  "peacock". Can you explain that?

[Doll]

"Easy" family life is either absolutely happy marriage or boring a man to death. I incline to believe in the last option. Men are need the some level of pressure from women to perfect themselves in every aspect of life  .

Depens what the man is comfortable with.

[Boethius]

UW shun public displays of affection, and have a rather cool exterior.

Not my experience, at least, not with UM/UW couplings.

[Slumba]

I cannot speak to the Ukr. side yet, however, much of this rings true to me as far as the Latins go.

My brother has lived for many years in a Central American country, and 2 of his sons have married Latino women (one half-Canadian, the other Ladino, meaning, a lot of Spanish in her bloodline).

The one boy that was wanted by all the Latino girls, is quite frankly a bit of a doofus - but he was aggressive and tough, physically (he later got so many tats that the Marines wouldn't take him; since he wanted to join the Marines for a while, some planning should have been in order... ).  They loved the fact he was macho, that he rarely read anything or was non-intellectual didn't matter to them...

The other son is more introverted and "geeky" and his wife does not respect him as much (this has improved however as he is now making double or triple what "tough guy" makes).

My brother suggested I look at Ladinos, meaning women who are mostly Spanish genetically, saying that they make good mothers and really try to make a good home ("cozy home" to coin a phrase). 

I asked , "Do they read books?" 

"No."

And that was that.

[The Natural]

Zombie drug in Colombia:
 

[IAmZon]

Well, I guarantee you I will get to the bottom of it before I leave this place

[missAmeno]

I find myself in a unique position to comment on this subject ...

Rivardco, you deserve to be slowly grilled for rest of eternity just for the title, not even reading your actual comparison 
Or perhaps we should start a thread "American men vs Chinese men"?   

I have not understood what you meant by "game" and  "peacock". Can you explain that?

Peacock here used in same meaning as we call some men cockerels.

 

[alex330]

The service is poor everywhere. 

Service in most of the world just outright sucks compared to the US. We are a service driven society.

Trust and Honesty among people.  About the same.  It seems easier to find a mate and loyal partner in Ukraine.   It is possible for a gringo to be accepted in Colombia as an equal after some time - 4 years and language.  I do not get the impression that is ever possible in Ukraine.


 There seems to be the same brutal class system in both countries - the Very rich and the poor.  However, Colombia seems to have a better middle class.  It seems to me that Colombians have more upward mobility. 
 

I lived in Latin America for over 10 years and not sure I would ever be fully accepted as a gringo. Sure they are friendly and I am accepted face to face, but they will piss on you and tell you it is rain as we say.

When I purchase building materials or supplies I call up the store and order them in Spanish (I am fluent) rather than go in person and get the "gringo prices". Many small restaurants in Central America don't have prices on the menus. There are local prices and there are well, "gringo prices". I have never been to Colombia or a very poor area of Ukraine, but I am sure the desperation and poverty in Latin America is much worse and leads people to do things in acts of desperation.

Self-Esteem...  Well, I have known very very attractive Latinas.  But, I never remember being "nervous" or "excited" by one. They tend, culturally, to have a low self-esteem.  They, genetically and generally speaking, come from slaves .... and it shows in their behavior.   Ukrainian woman walk and carry themselves with more grace and self-worth. They are proud and inwardly strong.  They have much to offer.

Both groups of women seem slow to trust deeply.  When Colombianas trust, then they do, they are "all-in".  If they find out that there husband is cheating, they will pay a bruja to put a curse on the other woman to stop it.  They tend to be "simple" and "loyal".  I do not know if this is the case with UW?

Passion / Affection. UW seem to be much more slow and proper (I have admittedly limited experience)  Latinas love a man that has "game" and can "peacock".  UW seem to dislike this very much.   Latinas are very loving and physically affectionate - ALWAYS  UW shun public displays of affection, and have a rather cool exterior.
 
 Colombianas are FUN and LOVE LIFE all the time.  They are LATE for everything.  They live in the moment.   UW are much more serious - even when the occasion does not justify it.   
 

I have only been in a relationship with one Ukrainian woman so my experience may differ from the general. She is very proud and a very strong woman like you mention. It did take her a bit to let her guard down and allow trust but now I feel she would stand by me till the end and encourages me to be a better man. She is very affectionate and fun loving. She is always laughing and smiling and always displays affection in public. Once the initial barrier was broken it seems that she is like a Latina in these regards.

She is late for everything and lives for the moment just like a Latina. I was told that this is a trait carried over from Communism as people never knew what would happen next? Or maybe being late is just a general trait most women have?   

 

There are ambiocas (girls that are ambitious) and crave life-style improvement and status climbing over good traditional ethics.

This was one of the biggest detractors for me with Latinas. I am sure you will find women like this anywhere in the world but having lived in Latin America and having many good friends married to Latinas experiencing issues due to this mentality I decided to look elsewhere.
Las Latinas son calientes, las Colombianas mas aun, pero cuidado que te quemas.

[Doll]

Rivardco, you deserve to be slowly grilled for rest of eternity just for the title, not even reading your actual comparison   
   

No, no grilling- it is not enough. The real execution is to be married to Ukrainian\Russian woman for the rest of his life.
    


   

[Gator]

I asked , "Do they read books?" 

"No."

And that was that.

Not true.  Definitely not true.  Not only do some Latin women they read books,  their reading selections can be very intellectual.
 
I say this because 35 years ago I had a serious, exclusive relationship with a tall Peruvian girl who had just moved to Philadelphia.  She enjoyed reading and introduced me to:   Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel García Márquez, who won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1982 (5 years after I read his acclaimed novel).   She asked me to read the novel as it would offer insight into her soul.
 
Rivardco,
 
I find it odd that you made various comparisons yet neglected what seems to be one stark difference. Namely,  many FSUW attach much significance to education. 
 
Perhaps this attitude is changing.  You are dating women who were 10 years old when the USSR collapsed.  I dated mostly women who were in the university then or had graduated.    Perhaps the RW readers can comment on this.
 
I agree completely that FSUW are serious about every little thing and Latin women are livelier.  To me it is better described as Latin Women are more optimistic.  FSUW can be so pessimistic that they will not celebrate something good until it actually happens.

[alex330]

I find it odd that you made various comparisons yet neglected what seems to be one stark difference. Namely,  many FSUW attach much significance to education. 
 
Perhaps this attitude is changing.  You are dating women who were 10 years old when the USSR collapsed.  I dated mostly women who were in the university then or had graduated.    Perhaps the RW readers can comment on this.

I think education is still very important to women in Ukraine. My wife and most of her friends attended University and place a great importance on education. In Latin America it really depends on social status and location. A woman living in a large cosmopolitan city will have the opportunity to attend university and will strive to get a degree. In smaller towns or rural areas many will not finish their schooling.

[Daveman]

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I agree completely that FSUW are serious about every little thing and Latin women are livelier.  To me it is better described as Latin Women are more optimistic.  FSUW can be so pessimistic that they will not celebrate something good until it actually happens.

I've seen that often too.  Also, I think RW are overly concerned about what other people think about them.  That appearances thing.   They do tend to loosen up very quickly in a more private setting around people whom they trust.   


Generally speaking though, someone could possibly become very wealthy selling stick removal kits...

[alex330]

The main difference is really being overlooked though. If you piss off a Colombian woman you can expect to wake up with a "Lorena Bobbit" while I am told it is a frying pan with a RW. I much prefer the frying pan.

[IAmZon]

Of course, I just offered a 10 minute rambling of generalities ... I have some first hand experience, but it would be difficult to offer an academic essay on the topic. So, I hope I can avoid the grilling and punishment for provocative title and some "shoot from the hip" comparisons.

A few follow-up points ...

1, I dated many educated, young, and ambitious Colombians.  They were not "stupid" by any means.  They valued education very highly.  I have noticed that UW do the same (as do other women from the FSU), but they carry that academic discipline into other areas of life rather generously.   Latinas are never a "BUZZ-KILL."  I can see that UM can often be.

2, UW have harder outter shells / colder.  I already know enough to say OBVIOUSLY YES. This is going to take some time for me to test and understand more.   This is a point that DOES vary greatly based on the individual.  (And, BTW Romanians are more like Latins)

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[Doll]

The main difference is really being overlooked though. If you piss off a Colombian woman you can expect to wake up with a "Lorena Bobbit" while I am told it is a frying pan with a RW. I much prefer the frying pan.

[Slumba]

Not true.  Definitely not true.  Not only do some Latin women they read books,  their reading selections can be very intellectual.
 [snipped]
I agree completely that FSUW are serious about every little thing and Latin women are livelier.  To me it is better described as Latin Women are more optimistic.  FSUW can be so pessimistic that they will not celebrate something good until it actually happens.

Gator, I do mean that "all" Latina women are non-readers, but as a generalization, I believe it is accurate. 

And, I have nephews that are married to actual Latinas... and neither they nor the Latino in-laws are readers. 

And, my brother, who has spent many years in Central America living and working among them (he runs a medical mission there), is the person who told me this - so it is based on some 10-12 years of observation.

I love pessimists - they are fun to be around if you can do the right kind of deadpan, dry humor they seem to enjoy!  You really feel a sense of accomplishment when you get a laugh out of them!

[Doll]

Поженились узбек и украинка. На следующий день муж говорит жене:" Если я пришел домой и у меня тюбетейка на левом ухе-будет плов,будет любовь. Если же тюбетейка на правом-злой сильно,ругать буду. Поняла?"
Жена-украинка отвечает:"Если ты пришел домой и у меня руки на груди сложены-будет борщ,будет любовь. А если руки уперты в бока....МНЕ ПОФИГ НА КАКОМ УХЕ У ТЕБЯ ТЮБЕТЕЙКА!!!
You modify it

[missAmeno]

Of course, I just offered a 10 minute rambling of generalities ... I have some first hand experience, but it would be difficult to offer an academic essay on the topic. So, I hope I can avoid the grilling and punishment for provocative title and some "shoot from the hip" comparisons.

I am just curios to understand why you decided to compare apples and oranges? to decide which one you would like to bite?   

[Belvis]

I am just curios to understand why you decided to compare apples and oranges? to decide which one you would like to bite?   

Because we asked to compare. It is interesting to know the difference for a man who never tried oranges. Are you not curious?

[Boethius]

I am just curios to understand why you decided to compare apples and oranges? to decide which one you would like to bite?   

He did so per requests.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14515.msg299996#msg299996

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14515.msg300003#msg300003

[missAmeno]

He did so per requests.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14515.msg299996#msg299996

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14515.msg300003#msg300003

Thanks Boethius 

Rivardco, please accept my appology, I can see now that Belvis and Kuna deserve to be slowly grilled for rest of eternity   and me together with them for not reading before posting

Because we asked to compare. It is interesting to know the difference for a man who never tried oranges. Are you not curious?

Nope, never been interested in women, neither Ukrainian, Colombian or any other nationality