How are FSU women personality-wise and about the world and other races?

[Shadow]

Hello

I know it depends on the person but I am wondering how women from the FSU are personality wise in general, how they view the world and other countries and races. 

There are about 15 million eligible women. You think it is possible to give a general description?
In general the Russian education still has taught people facts, not thought patters. As such you will find a very wide variety of opinions on all subjects.

Are they very materialistic?  Snobbish?  I keep thinking of the scenes of the Rage Against the Machine Video for Guerilla Radio(those of you who have seen the video know what I mean, plastic people)

Depends on the woman, but in general you would find their attitude materialistic. This mostly because it has been experienced that money can suddenly have no value, while goods stay goods.
As for snobbish, not really, as long as you have a bigger car as your neighbour.

Do they have a view of how America really is or do they have a white washed Leave it to Beaver view?

Their view of America comes from TV series, movies and documentaries. So in general they will have a romanticized impression of America and are ovblivious to the poverty and bad conditions of some.
When arriving they may find it incredible that some things they thought were just for the movies are real.

Do all forms of music reach there?

Yes. More than their music reaches America.

Are they going to hold their purses if they see someone of another race person walking down the street?

Depends on if they have their bodygueard with them.

Are they going stereo type the other races in a bad way?

Initially they will just be curious. Later they pick up the stereotypes from the locals and express them openly instead of hiding.

Can they chil lax? Strange questions but I want to know. How do they feel about places such as the US, England, Canada, etc where there is a mixing of everything, its cultures, customs?

Depends from where they are. In most cities there will be a mix of the 136 Russian nations which means they are pretty much used.
Village women however will be astounded of how all cultures dress.

Do they express themselves openly like Americans? or are they reserved like the English( well some of the English)?

They express themselves much more open as Americans, as inhibitations to be politically correct do not exist. The society in Russia allows to openly speak your mind, without it causing a scene or lawsuit.

I am wanting to know in general how some are. As I said before I know it depends on the person.

In general people are very direct, open and curious. You will have to get used to things that you will see as racist or rude.
As ML pointed out, people do not hide their curiosity if you have something special, nor do they feel people the need to mince their words.
Contrary to him I do not see it as rude, but as open thought.

[noelscot]

Noel,

I agree with you that getting on a plane and experiencing the culture is an excellent idea.  If someone spends the money to travel to the FSU without first knowing the culture or having a wingan is likely to feel like a fish out of water.  Hence my suggestion to learn all you can about the culture first so that you have an understanding of what you experience.

Even with this level of effort, it is still likely to be a culture shock expecially if you leave Kiev and go out to the smaller cities and villages.   LOL.

RWD is great, but he should be aware that interpretations and facts are virtually inseparable here. It also sounds like the guy is a Russophobe, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

[Faux Pas]

What you seem not to realize is that newbies come here to ask questions and get pointed in the right direction to seek answers.  The caustic comments that great them is not a way to keep them on the forum and acutally get the answers they are looking for.  The old timers obviously get annoyed by the same questions over an over.  Give it a break!!!  Younger members with actual feet on the ground experience do not mind helping the newbies and are not annoyed by the questions and do not need to make degrading comments to them.   You have no idea how many newbies are driven off by the the kind of caustic greetings they get from the 'Know it all' members that are not  friendly to their requests.  We get emails and PM's as they leave and say they will not be back.

Cal maybe, it is time for you to man up and grow yourself a pair. They are quite a necessity in this endeavor. Quit projecting your own fragile feelings and personality onto newbies or anyone else. Your incessant whining is without a doubt the worse to ever grace this forum or any other. You are a crybaby.

Who is this "we", have you a mouse in your pocket? If caustic comments send newbies away perhaps they weren't meant for FSUW. Advice on the internet boards is worth every cent you pay for it. Some with fluff and some more direct. Both of it can be helpful or not. There are a number of boards where you can join, slap each other on the back and circle jerk unimpeded. This isn't one of them.

[Eduard]

Yoshiii, first of all so sorry you had to deal with so much negativity. If you are still around this may help.
Please realise that between Russia and Ukraine alone you are dealing with a couple of hundred million people. It would be naive to assume that they all are one way or another. Truth is that you can find the whole spectrum of personalities, value systems, mental abilities, perceptions and opinions.
I can say that in general dating is a lot easier in Russia than it is in the US for men, and generally a man can date women in Russia who are a couple of steps above than the women he dates back home. But there are all kinds of women in the FSU. Some materialistic and some are not, some are racist while others are very accepting of other races and nationalities. FSU is very ethnically diverse, just like the US. Long story short, you just need to talk to many women to find the right one for you. This venture can be time consumming and can be pretty expensive, but in my experience it can also be very rewarding, and if you use your head and common sense you can wind up married to an amazing woman.
Best of luck to you!
Ed

[GQBlues]

Hello

Thank you for　everyones answers. It has helped me understand abit more.

WOW! Really? From 4  nameless, faceless responding posts? Exactly what have you understood a bit more that you didn't before? More importantly, how do you know those answers aren't 'guesses'?

What these guys doesn't see with you is, your SPECIFIC questions incite answers in strict generalities which tells me you aren't 'exactly' ignorant, naive, or even a wife-hunting newbie.

You spent 4 hours one day looking at archives? Really? Well, why didn't you spend 2 minutes posting in the intro section and tell us something about you and what you aim to accomplish? As you well know, differences in attitudes is age-dependent. If you're middle-aged, it'll behoove the members to know and guide you accordingly. If you're in your 20s, same thing.

If you're like the vast majority here, retirees looking for a very young *companion* ~ that's also good to know and you should get answers to your Qs accordingly. Here's some examples of the type of questions you should be asking if you're at least 60 years old looking for a very young wife instead of Life Alert subscription i.e. a) how much money should I have to keep her with me? b) what signs should I be watching for to make sure she isn't getting sexed up elsewhere, c) how do I spy on her email, d) pre-nup agreements, etc...

 ~ not whether or not Russia is a racist country (just like everywhere else, Russia have their own subversive factions like the Neo-Nazis, skinheads, etc..only in Russia it's more as a result of a feverish nationalism due to their recent political transformation. A quick Google search would've given you that info in less than 10 seconds.)

Responses by the older members here that some deem isn't 'nice' is nothing more than just knee-jerk reaction borne by the old age syndrome ~ there's a need to grandfather the perceived 'younger' crowd.

But let's face it, newbies or not, no one here is a child. You and everyone else here are grown men. The answer to the rest of your Qs are a crapshoot at best because they will all be personal opinions of anonymous folks who are as varied as the women they associated with. So in short, you simply got what you paid for and remained in the same place you started from.

We're not all *gullible* Americans.

[Jumper]

Hey, I listen to Rage, and I'm an old married guy..



Just goes to show generalities are just that, and for an individual, looking for an individual,  fairly worthless. lol

[Chemist]

Cal maybe, it is time for you to man up and grow yourself a pair. They are quite a necessity in this endeavor. Quit projecting your own fragile feelings and personality onto newbies or anyone else. Your incessant whining is without a doubt the worse to ever grace this forum or any other. You are a crybaby.

Who is this "we", have you a mouse in your pocket? If caustic comments send newbies away perhaps they weren't meant for FSUW. Advice on the internet boards is worth every cent you pay for it. Some with fluff and some more direct. Both of it can be helpful or not. There are a number of boards where you can join, slap each other on the back and circle jerk unimpeded. This isn't one of them.

You haven't been the first person that disquised antagonism as being "helpful " and then blaming the victim when they object.

If you have anything useful to say, it should stand on it's own merit.

[Faux Pas]

You haven't been the first person that disquised antagonism as being "helpful " and then blaming the victim when they object.

If you have anything useful to say.  It should stand on it's own merit.

I've never made a disguised or veiled post in my life and that does stand on it's own merit. I call them like I see them and I don't change them for popular flavor or heaven forbid I hurt some fragile feelings. I don't care if you agree with them or not. Take it or leave it, it's no sweat off my ass either way. That's not diquised either btw

[Chemist]

I've never made a disguised or veiled post in my life and that does stand on it's own merit. I call them like I see them and I don't change them for popular flavor or heaven forbid I hurt some fragile feelings. I don't care if you agree with them or not. Take it or leave it, it's no sweat off my ass either way. That's not diquised either btw

I don't think you believe what you just wrote or you wouldn't have replied to Calmissle the way that you did. (or the OP for that matter)

I'm just saying that you have it all wrong.  It's not that some of us need to "grow balls" or aren't "ready for the FSU" if we aren't enamored with your scathing criticism of a new member who is only asking questions.

Some people simply don't think it's worth being angry at anonymous people on the internet and will simply leave if not treated with a small amount of respect.  It's nothing more than that.

Just calling it the way I see it.

[Faux Pas]

I don't think you believe what you just wrote or you wouldn't have replied to Calmissle the way that you did. (or the OP for that matter)

I'm just saying that you have it all wrong.  It's not that some of us need to "grow balls" or aren't "ready for the FSU" if we aren't enamored with your scathing criticism of a new member who is only asking questions.

Some people simply don't think it's worth being angry at anonymous people on the internet and will simply leave if not treated with a small amount of respect.  It's nothing more than that.

Just calling it the way I see it.

I see that you have it wrong. I'm not angry at anybody least of all the OP. I remember quite well being inexperienced and asking questions hence, my honing and fine-tuning of how I choose to deliver my postings. My personality and my personal preference is the delivery that you see in my posts. It is the product of years of experience. If it offends you, tough shit. Get over it and grow yourself a pair 

There is likely just as many members and posters with with years and years of experience that chose not to post here anymore because of the various whine junkies and drama queens so, it kind'a evens itself out

[Chemist]

Sorry Faux,
I'm still seeing a lot of self-delusion in your posts. 

For example, Calmissle, Manny, Eduard, ML et al all tried to answer the OP's questions and tried to offer some insite. 

Compare what they wrote with what you wrote and try and tell me that you're proud of what you said. 

Maybe in time your attitude will change.

[Faux Pas]

Sorry Faux,
I'm still seeing a lot of self-delusion in your posts. 

For example, Calmissle, Manny, Eduard, ML et al all tried to answer the OP's questions and tried to offer some insite. 

Compare what they wrote with what you wrote and try and tell me that you're proud of what you said. 

Maybe in time your attitude will change.

Chemist

For some odd reason you think I seek your approval? Now who's delusional?

[Chemist]

Chemist

For some odd reason you think I seek your approval? Now who's delusional?

This is your third reply to me in half an hour....yeah....you're not seeking anybody's approval.

[Faux Pas]

This is your third reply to me in half an hour....yeah....you're not seeking anybody's approval.

That's correct. Not even for a second. Specifically yours 

[noelscot]

Hey, I listen to Rage, and I'm an old married guy..



Just goes to show generalities are just that, and for an individual, looking for an individual,  fairly worthless. lol

Yeah, but you're a renegade of funk from way back.     

[HigherGround]

I am not a frequent visitor to this site, but i am on other forums such as photography sites, and its always odd when people rant about others who did not "do a proper search" before asking a question.  One has the right to remain silent if you think someone should have searched and not asked, and its generally a sign of someone who "doesnt have a life".

Regarding this question, in my experience i have found it interesting the "level of sophistication" of FSU women as varying to a HUGE degree. When i say sophistication, it is a loaded word, and does not mean intelligence at all, but rather a "modern world view" or something like that. I attribute the variation due to things like one person living in a small town, and another in a large city like Kiev.
But even this cannot be used a a guide, as you can find women who live in Kiev who are rather close minded (ones who might, for example, consider blacks almost as sub-human) and another from a small city who is more liberal in their thinking. Access to a computer can vary based on the financial status of a family (especially for women who do not have their own flats  or even their own computers).
And finally, there is the cultrual "choice" women in FSU make: they can choose to become the woman that their society or their men "want them to become" or they can become their own person.
And this last point of course holds true for any woman, or man, from any culture anywhere on the planet.

Best rule: dont assume too much about a woman, especially when engaging her in initial conversations, let her tell you who she is.

[Jack]

Hello yoshiii,       as you have seen you are receiving a lot of varying opinions to your questions.  That alone should show you something.   

Some of the opinions you have received are from men with a great amount of experience in dealing with many Ukr/Rus ladies, and a  lot of opinions you have received are from men who have met only a few Ukr/Rus women.  I suspect, and I see, a pretty good difference of opinions between those two categories.

I can only compare, to any great degree, the differences between American women and Ukraine/Russian women.  Maybe Canadian women will be similar to American women, or English women could be similar to American women, but this I just do not know.  I do know of the great differences I see between American and Ukr/Rus women.

Are Ukr/Rus women any more materialistic than American women?  That's a some what loaded  question.  You are going to have a pretty good percentage of both American and Ukr/Rus women who are materialistic.

Do Ukr/Rus women have more problems with men of color, darker skin, than American women?  100% yes.   In my opinion at least 80% of Ukr/Rus women are not going to be interested in black men,  men from some middle east countries, or India/Pakistan.

And I see American's as being more rude, on average, than people from Ukr/Rus.

So here you have just another expressed opinion yoshiii.

[noelscot]

 
Are they very materialistic? 

You say materialistic like it is a bad thing. I reckon you are against dating women who are materialistic. That's going to be a tall order. See the Madonna song below.
 

 
You'll probably hear a chorus of goody-two-shoes folks decrying human nature in an unwhitewashed presentation, but their ideal world will become real "Когда рак (на горе) свистнет" (as the Russians say).
 
Women want a winner, not a loser. I'd be more wary of the women who present themselves as angels than the ones who are openly self-interested.
 
   
 
 

[Eduard]

You say materialistic like it is a bad thing. I reckon you are against dating women who are materialistic. That's going to be a tall order. See the Madonna song below.
 

 
You'll probably hear a chorus of goody-two-shoes folks decrying human nature in an unwhitewashed presentation, but their ideal world will become real "Когда рак (на горе) свистнет" (as the Russians say).
 
Women want a winner, not a loser. I'd be more wary of the women who present themselves as angels than the ones who are openly self-interested.
 
 

Not a bad adice! There are plenty of women (and this includes RW) who will tell you what you want to hear, push all the right buttons, hook you with great sex. It's good to have life experience and wisdom to read "between the lines" and be able to see through a woman before she turns into a "praying mantus". Most men don't have a chance and if they do get a good one it's mostly by luck IMO. There are some men who possess the insight to read between the lines (I/O comes to mind) but from what I have seen they are pretty rare.

[XMan]

Hello

I know it depends on the person but I am wondering how women from the FSU are personality wise in general, how they view the world and other countries and races. 

Are they very materialistic?  Snobbish?  I keep thinking of the scenes of the Rage Against the Machine Video for Guerilla Radio(those of you who have seen the video know what I mean, plastic people)

Do they have a view of how America really is or do they have a white washed Leave it to Beaver view?
Do all forms of music reach there?

Are they going to hold their purses if they see someone of another race person walking down the street?
Are they going stereo type the other races in a bad way?

Can they chil lax? Strange questions but I want to know. How do they feel about places such as the US, England, Canada, etc where there is a mixing of everything, its cultures, customs?

Do they express themselves openly like Americans? or are they reserved like the English( well some of the English)?

I am wanting to know in general how some are. As I said before I know it depends on the person.

I have met many more Ukrainian women than Russian, so I would have to say I am more well versed when it comes to Ukraine.  As anywhere else, there are significant differences from person to person and place to place. 

Communication can indeed appear to be rude, and that seems to be universal.  I think the structure of the language itself contributes to that.  I have had more than one woman express consternation as to why words like "the, am, is" are necessary (as if I could explain the history and complexities of the English language).  "The store is here" is quite different from "Store here," which sounds curt, for example.  I also agree with other posters who have said that they do not mince words.  Nearly universally true as well.

I have generally seen women who prefer to have two or three very nice outfits rather than a closet full of mediocrity.  That has seemed nearly universal as well.  Is that materialistic? 

Another poster mentioned the importance of how they present themselves.  I have never, not a single time, seen a woman leave an apartment without checking every facet of her appearance.  I don't think every single woman I ever met there was vain, but it would certainly give the impression that it is so.  A woman may not care about how tall you are, or if you have blue eyes instead of brown, etc., but she will care if you dress like a slob.

An understanding of political correctness is definitely lacking amongst most (and at times refreshingly so). 

As to what they believe the USA is like, that varies wildly.  I can virtually guarantee they have no understanding of the tax system (particularly the idea that damned near everything is taxed in the USA in some fashion), the cost of health care, etc. 

Generally their idea of "small town" is a run-down, farming village with no culture and limited or no access to anything civilized.  So if one lives in a small town, explaining the differences between there and here (if one believes there are differences, which I do) is important. 

Superstition, old-wives tales, etc., run amok, at least amongst the women I have encountered.  Air conditioning can make you sick, drinking juice when ill makes your throat worse, and a lot of other crazy health-related ideas.  The superstitions are far too long to even list here.

There is one thing I would keep in mind above all else:

People are inertia-oriented.  Generally most people are driven to seek change only when things are bad enough to drive them to do so.  Leaving your country, friends, family, etc., (everything you have ever known) is no easy task for a majority of people.  IMO, it is only considered as a real possibility if it appears to be the only way one can find what one is seeking.  That is not always financial gain, but it is nearly always an improvement in circumstances that means a better quality of life.  That may mean a stable husband and family life, it may mean an improved living standard, or it may mean a lot of other things. 

[sund]

Hello yoshii:

I am new to this site, but not new to the experiences of developing friendships, and dating European women and Eastern European women.  I have read all of the posts here and I would like to offer my insights that go back all the way to 1968 - present.  I have noticed that quite a few folks have answered questions by stating that women are the same around the world, that there are not many differences and I have read opinions on age differences, materialistic attitudes and of course, why the interest in FSU ladies.  I hope that my letter to you will generate some discussion, but I would like to first present my credentials to establish my baseline of experience. 

My father served in the US Air Force and we were stationed in Brussels, Belgium.  I was fortunate to live in Belgium for 2 years when I was 10 and 11 years old.  My family and I lived on the economy, which forced me to interact with the local population.  With this, I want to share a story with you that reflects the soul and culture of the people from Europe (from my perspective and therefore my impression of the culture of European people in general).

My 5th and 6th grade class, each year, would take a Field Trip to Switzerland for 2 weeks.  It was an amazing time for such young US students, by traveling to Switzerland by train and without parents or chaperones, just our teachers.  We would attend classes in the morning and then take snow skiing lessons in the afternoon.  The first dinner we had when we arrived, our French teacher asked for volunteers to come sit with the Belgian kids, so that we could improve our conversational French.  I shot up my hand and was taken to a table with two Belgian girls, both of whom were my age.  As the week went by, I would sit with them for breakfast, lunch and dinner and soon we became quite close and cozy. 

About halfway through our two week trip, I came down with a flu and was sent to the infirmary, but it was more like isolated confinement.  I was the only child in a row of empty beds, and I was very lonely without my US friends and I missed my mom.  Sometime during the day, a nurse told me that I had some visitors and lo and behold, it was my Belgian mates!  They came to me with all concern in their face and told me they would have come sooner but that no one had told them what happened to me, until they asked.  They sat with me as long as they could and I was so touched by their visit.  I was in the infirmary another two days and these warm, caring young girls came to see me each day, even bringing me a gift, a stuffed little dog.

Do you know that not one US friend came to visit me?  Of course, I was too young to understand the significance of this, but years later, the implication became more prominent when I returned to the US, some 5 years later (my father was stationed in Germany after this tour, so I spent almost 7 years in Europe).

I kept in touch with these girls for many years, although all we had in those days, was simple letter writing.  As I became a young man in my later teens, and I would play with my cat, who would fetch this stuffed toy dog given to me, I would often reflect on sweetness and caring ways that these two girls gave to me.  When I got married later, I told this story to my wife and when she became pregnant, we agreed that if we were to have a daughter, we would name her the two names of my sweet Belgium girls.  Again, in those days, you didn't know the sex of your baby, until the baby was born and so God blessed us with a daughter.  Our daughter was named Michelle Soleil XXXXXX.  For those that don't know French, Soleil means Sun in English. 

This story and this name has such strength in my family, that now both of my daughters have named their daughters with their middle name of Soleil as well.  It is a sweet reminder and honor to the innocence of love that was given to me so many years ago.  I lost touch with Michelle and Soleil unfortunately, because of all of my moves, being in a military family and myself becoming a soldier later as well.  I think if Michelle and Soleil knew how they are being remembered, they would be shocked.  They would be shocked because they were just doing what is in their culture:  to love with all of their heart, someone from their family, or someone that means the world to them.  I am not saying I mean't the world to them, but it was close.

So, my question is:  why did not a single US friend/classmate (with whom I was incredibly close with), not come visit me as I lay there alone, a little scared and sick? 

If cultures are not different as some may not think so, or how these wonderful European ladies treat their men and their families, we need to examine the rooted fundamentals and I ask all of you to use this story as the starting point of this examination. 

By the way, my stories don't stop here, I have many more, including up to the present, as I am now engaged to a wonderful Ukrainian lady.  I have always known that my true love existed somewhere in Europe, and I couldn't be more happier than when I was in 1968.  For me, the same fundamentals of care and love that I experienced then, are still prominent in my future wife.  It is these fundamentals that I don't see as much in US women and thus my ultimate decision to marry my Ukrainian Queen.

Lets talk...best wishes to all....Sund

[Eduard]

I have met many more Ukrainian women than Russian, so I would have to say I am more well versed when it comes to Ukraine.  As anywhere else, there are significant differences from person to person and place to place. 

Communication can indeed appear to be rude, and that seems to be universal.  I think the structure of the language itself contributes to that.  I have had more than one woman express consternation as to why words like "the, am, is" are necessary (as if I could explain the history and complexities of the English language).  "The store is here" is quite different from "Store here," which sounds curt, for example.  I also agree with other posters who have said that they do not mince words.  Nearly universally true as well.

I have generally seen women who prefer to have two or three very nice outfits rather than a closet full of mediocrity.  That has seemed nearly universal as well.  Is that materialistic? 

Another poster mentioned the importance of how they present themselves.  I have never, not a single time, seen a woman leave an apartment without checking every facet of her appearance.  I don't think every single woman I ever met there was vain, but it would certainly give the impression that it is so.  A woman may not care about how tall you are, or if you have blue eyes instead of brown, etc., but she will care if you dress like a slob.

An understanding of political correctness is definitely lacking amongst most (and at times refreshingly so). 

As to what they believe the USA is like, that varies wildly.  I can virtually guarantee they have no understanding of the tax system (particularly the idea that damned near everything is taxed in the USA in some fashion), the cost of health care, etc. 

Generally their idea of "small town" is a run-down, farming village with no culture and limited or no access to anything civilized.  So if one lives in a small town, explaining the differences between there and here (if one believes there are differences, which I do) is important. 

Superstition, old-wives tales, etc., run amok, at least amongst the women I have encountered.  Air conditioning can make you sick, drinking juice when ill makes your throat worse, and a lot of other crazy health-related ideas.  The superstitions are far too long to even list here.

There is one thing I would keep in mind above all else:

People are inertia-oriented.  Generally most people are driven to seek change only when things are bad enough to drive them to do so.  Leaving your country, friends, family, etc., (everything you have ever known) is no easy task for a majority of people.  IMO, it is only considered as a real possibility if it appears to be the only way one can find what one is seeking.  That is not always financial gain, but it is nearly always an improvement in circumstances that means a better quality of life.  That may mean a stable husband and family life, it may mean an improved living standard, or it may mean a lot of other things.

Good post, Xman. I would pretty much agree with almost everything as far as generalizations are concerned.

[ML]

Sund, a very nice and touching story. 

But you don't seem to realize that very similar stories have been told by a Belgium man who was visited by two nice Americans and got no visitors from Belgium friends; and by other people from  many other countries of the world.

These type of things happen everywhere.

[The Natural]

Yes Sund, very good story and nicely written too. Keep it up.

[Doll]

So, my question is:  why did not a single US friend/classmate (with whom I was incredibly close with), not come visit me as I lay there alone, a little scared and sick? 

Sun, my answer is- American individualism.
( I actually don't know how RW are more materialistic than AW. HOW?)
Ed, what do you think as you know both sides?