How are FSU women personality-wise and about the world and other races?

[Doll]

AW are spiritual, truth of thruths, as well as generous and altruistic, the latter is especially vividly demonstrated  during the divorce. Because she is intoxicated with her spirituality, spirituality to the point of oblivion, she takes with her her womanly pride, her human dignity, memories of love, wedding photos leaving you with your wretched 401 K, your wretched house, your wretched bank accounts, your wretched assets.  So that the latter would not be in the way of her nirvana .

+100
We, materialistic RW, need to learn how to be spiritual.

[Gator]

AW are spiritual, truth of thruths, as well as generous and altruistic, the latter is especially vividly demonstrated  during the divorce. Because she is intoxicated with her spirituality, spirituality to the point of oblivion, she takes with her her womanly pride, her human dignity, memories of love, wedding photos leaving you with your wretched 401 K, your wretched house, your wretched bank accounts, your wretched assets.  So that the latter would not be in the way of her nirvana .

Clever satire, but just as untrue for RW (in America).  And for FSUW in the FSU........if the FSU had divorce laws similar to American laws?

[Doll]

Gator, people here consider RW "materialistic" before they (RW) are on American land AND regardless all "ifs" about the laws.
"If" doesn't count.

[Gator]

Gator, SOME people here consider RW "materialistic" before they (RW) are on American land AND regardless all "ifs" about the laws.
"If" doesn't count.

I modified your statement above.   
 
Whether a man considers RW materialistic depends upon:
 
- his perspective and lifestyle (and frankly many men are either cheap or financially constrained), and
 
- the particular RW he meets.
 
 

[Doll]

 Now we are clear! 
 

[Eduard]

AW are spiritual, truth of thruths, as well as generous and altruistic, the latter is especially vividly demonstrated  during the divorce. Because she is intoxicated with her spirituality, spirituality to the point of oblivion, she takes with her her womanly pride, her human dignity, memories of love, wedding photos leaving you with your wretched 401 K, your wretched house, your wretched bank accounts, your wretched assets.  So that the latter would not be in the way of her nirvana .

this is a good one, Lyudmila! 

[Ludmila]

Gator, quoting you :"Clever satire, but just as untrue for RW (in America).  And for FSUW in the FSU........if the FSU had divorce laws similar to American laws?"
Gator, try to make a guess, if you care, who, in all probability,  could be the authors of these laws?

[Derby]

I think there is a lot of confussion regarding "materialistic".

I don't think Russian women/people are materialistic.  I know very few Russians that know how to save money, if they have money then most of them want to spend it.  This is something learned by there parents and grandparents.

Back in the years just after the war, people didn't have much money because jobs and therefore the money wasn't there.  And of course the government wasn't helpful in finding people jobs or supporting people that didn't have an income.  So people spend every ruble to make ends meet.

When the FSU broke in 1991, the currency of the new countries was basically worthless and the old rubles were greatly devalued.  Therefore everyone was
poor(er), bank closed, and people lost there etire savings.

These people learned that to hold onto money wasn't smart because of the uncertainty of their economy.  Therefore they learned to spend the money they had.

So I think Russian people aren't materialistic, it's just their culture to spend the money they have.  A learned behavior if you will.

Just my opinion and 2 cents.

[ML]

Spending available money quickly before it is devalued is not the idea behind materialism.

So your explanation has nothing at all to do with providing evidence concerning  whether FSUW are or are not generally materialistic.

[Derby]

Has any post provided evidence that people of the FSU are materialistic?

[ML]

Has any post provided evidence that people of the FSU are materialistic?

Yes.  There have been dozens of such posts on this forum in many different threads over many years.

However, regardless of the number of posts on any given topic, they do not 'prove' anything to those who have the opposite viewpoint.  These discussion are in the realm of social science rather than natural science.

In the social sciences, unlike the natural sciences, nothing can be proven.  There is only an accumulation of evidence, examples, rational analysis, and logical thought that weighs on each side.

[Ludmila]

"Quote : "There have been dozens of such posts on this forum in many different threads over many years".
ON THIS FORUM are the operational  words.
Are AM on this forum typical AM looking for relatively educated wives ( not peasants/farmers, at least) with a considerable age difference?
 Let the forum male contingency try and make a similar search in America, albeit for entertainment,  attract AWs with a fair age difference and see whether the latter would be enthusiastic to jump right after  college into a downshifted life style,   heading for living in a log, saving for Goodwill merchandise, spending all summer long on the threshold picking up cones in the yard, darning their socks/ Sunday best before going to the morning service in church, and sewing quilts in her free time. And doing  all this in joy-- as paying their lifelong debt before the husband of 10 or --considerably-- more years older. In all probability, the enlightenment of the minds will occur much sooner than it takes to write their posts.
 
Of course, the lady ( typically) would prefer a man closest to her age ( in all countries and civilizations, due to obvious reasons), but if a man isn't in the same age brackets , he is prepared to attract with something else. Fora/forums of Russian fiances are  brimful of phrases " my grandfather, my daddy" when they mention their American husbands. I suggest those who is unclear on the subject in question better wipe their glasses and, at least,  not lie to themselves. For their own benefit. Materialism of a RW isn't less or more than that of her American counterpart  ( age, tactical and technical characteristics--aka appearance--, educational background, social status,etc)
 
It  is simply bound to be demonstrated  more among RW searched by this very category of AM.
Search and you will find :-)

[Derby]

Yes.  There have been dozens of such posts on this forum in many different threads over many years.

However, regardless of the number of posts on any given topic, they do not 'prove' anything to those who have the opposite viewpoint.  These discussion are in the realm of social science rather than natural science.

In the social sciences, unlike the natural sciences, nothing can be proven.  There is only an accumulation of evidence, examples, rational analysis, and logical thought that weighs on each side.

Maybe you can show me some of this evidence?  I think you might be confussing evidence with opinions and here-say.  Just because you see FSU people spend money doesn't mean they are all materialistic because other nationalities do the same thing. 

[Muzh]

Yes.  There have been dozens of such posts on this forum in many different threads over many years.

However, regardless of the number of posts on any given topic, they do not 'prove' anything to those who have the opposite viewpoint.  These discussion are in the realm of social science rather than natural science.

In the social sciences, unlike the natural sciences, nothing can be proven.  There is only an accumulation of evidence, examples, rational analysis, and logical thought that weighs on each side.

Funny.

Most of the conversations relating to pre-nups, expensive restaurants, expensive clothing, etc., and ensuing complains come from the WM.

[GoodOlBoy]

Fora/forums of Russian fiances are  brimful of phrases " my grandfather, my daddy" when they mention their American husbands.

No doubt, some of those grandfathers, fathers, husbands referred to on those forums reside right here at RWD. 
 
GOB

[Eduard]

На вопрос мужчин "Как дела на личном фронте?" так и хочется ответить "Много ваших полегло"...))) ) 

[Daveman]

Funny.

Most of the conversations relating to pre-nups, expensive restaurants, expensive clothing, etc., and ensuing complains come from the WM.

Considering the nature of this particular forum, that would be expected.


I think it all boils down to the old "Partner vs. Parasite" debate.  There are parasites in every culture. There are partners in every culture.  How one individually defines such labels (the filter of the glasses worn) determines what one sees.  Where one looks also plays a prominent role in what one finds. 


Certainly I don't speak for every guy, but to me there is an enormous difference between my choosing to take a woman to an expensive restaurant, or choosing to buy expensive clothing/gifts, or choosing to pay for a university education, etc. and a woman demanding/expecting/feeling entitled to those things. 


I attract treasures because I am a treasure (by my definition of course).  Most parasites don't waste much time with me because it's pretty obvious from the outset that I'm not going to play their games.  Every FSU woman I have met has been an absolute treasure of a human being.  That, obviously, doesn't mean we were always compatible, but at least we were on the same nascent wavelength.


I am still a firm believer that the guys who consistently attract crappy women... well, you get the idea.

[noelscot]

Yes.  There have been dozens of such posts on this forum in many different threads over many years.

However, regardless of the number of posts on any given topic, they do not 'prove' anything to those who have the opposite viewpoint.  These discussion are in the realm of social science rather than natural science.

In the social sciences, unlike the natural sciences, nothing can be proven.  There is only an accumulation of evidence, examples, rational analysis, and logical thought that weighs on each side.

Things have changed. Now the field of sociology is being merged with evolutionary psychology. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_neuroscience
So, more and more, we will see the theories of sociology vetted and refined to where there is some hard science behind them.
 
The research of Elizabeth Phelps, et al. is particularly interesting regarding race. She did experiments where test subjects' amygdalae were monitored while they were shown unfamiliar pictures of other races. Invariably, there was a lot of activity in the amygdala, which is associated with fear, emotional learning, and the fight-or-flight response of the autonomic nervous system. As I recall, the familiar faces of others of another race had no significant impact upon brain activity in the amygdala of Phelps' test subjects. For example, a Russkaya may love the music of Whitney Houston (rest in peace) and regard her highly as a person, but that very same Russkaya may be startled when she sees an unfamiliar black person in the metro. Conversely, an African not used to seeing whites would also make him startled when he saw an unfamiliar white person, even though he may love the white singer, Frank Sinatra.
 
The world the race-baiters would like for us to believe in does not account for natural in-group/out-group preferences and paints the world in a simplistic way. The bottom line is that humans have in-groups. And once we get to know someone from an out-group we are generally cool with them after trust is established or some sort of emotional bond.  The race-baiters view is an unrealistic view of the world.  For example, the Japanese have a quaint notion of keeping Japan Japanese. Is that "evil" per se? Or is it self-preservation of their in-group, which they value and cherish. If I went to the Middle East, would I expect to be intantly accepted? No, they have their own ways. I'd have to respect their ways and not have unrealistic expectations. It's the same with Russkaya and non-whites. It is not easy for Western whites with a Russkaya, either, because of cultural differences.
 
People who are truly appreciative of diversity respect the sanctity of other races and cultures to behave as they see fit within their own country's borders. people who are not truly appreciative of diversity expect to roll in to a foreign country and lord over the people and be instantly accepted. it's not going to happen that way.
 
http://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3512208/Banaji_PerformanceIndirect.pdf?sequence=2
 
So these high and mighty charges of "racism" we are seeing hurled at Russkaya are pretty lame. If "racism" means they love their own race and culture and want to defend it, then what is wrong with that? That's what makes the world diverse.
 
Of course, I have no problem with inter-racial dating or whatever. It's not my business who other people date. As long as they love and respect each other, everything's cool.
 
ok, i'm off my soapbox. back to BAMA football now. ROLL TIDE!!!
 
 

[Muzh]

Considering the nature of this particular forum, that would be expected.


I think it all boils down to the old "Partner vs. Parasite" debate.  There are parasites in every culture. There are partners in every culture.  How one individually defines such labels (the filter of the glasses worn) determines what one sees.  Where one looks also plays a prominent role in what one finds. 


Certainly I don't speak for every guy, but to me there is an enormous difference between my choosing to take a woman to an expensive restaurant, or choosing to buy expensive clothing/gifts, or choosing to pay for a university education, etc. and a woman demanding/expecting/feeling entitled to those things. 


I attract treasures because I am a treasure (by my definition of course).  Most parasites don't waste much time with me because it's pretty obvious from the outset that I'm not going to play their games.  Every FSU woman I have met has been an absolute treasure of a human being.  That, obviously, doesn't mean we were always compatible, but at least we were on the same nascent wavelength.


I am still a firm believer that the guys who consistently attract crappy women... well, you get the idea.

Daveman, it should have read complaints.

Anyway, I have no argument with what you stated.

My statement refers to those who would not even give the chance to a RW to prove she is a parasite. Also, to those who go shopping for a bride.

I was told many years ago that if I ask how much it is going to cost me, then I can't afford it. Basically this is true in the majority of cases.

Still, a man who is short of the "necessary" funds to pull this out can be very successful in finding his soul mate in the former Soyuz.

[Eduard]

В семье все должно быть поровну, муж работает, жена красивая:-) :-) :-)

[Daveman]

Daveman, it should have read complaints.

Anyway, I have no argument with what you stated.

My statement refers to those who would not even give the chance to a RW to prove she is a parasite. Also, to those who go shopping for a bride.

I was told many years ago that if I ask how much it is going to cost me, then I can't afford it. Basically this is true in the majority of cases.

Still, a man who is short of the "necessary" funds to pull this out can be very successful in finding his soul mate in the former Soyuz.

I certainly agree with you on the concept of bride shopping.  I also carry the belief though that every relation is a transaction in one  form or another at any given time, so 'bride shopping' could describe myself as well if applying such a specific viewpoint.  I did search for a woman I could marry and with whom to create a family, and it did cost something (the money aspect is the minor factor of the cost).


Anyway, I think that old adage - you can't con an honest man - carries more than an element of truth in this or any venture.  This would appear to be the proverbial 'lead into gold' scenario for some.


While I doubt any of us is Mother Theresa in a male body, still, if I were running into scammers, pro-daters, etc., I would take a good look at my own motives and see what exactly it is that I'm 'putting out there'.  We do tend to get what we give...

[mies]

As a 'born American' man I will repeat my earlier statements, which echo those of many others, that FSUW are significantly more materialistic than AW.  And FSUM are more materialistic than AM.

Ok, now it's clear. AM like the RW because RW are materialistic. AM dislike AW because AW are spiritual. I think it's a good conversation starter for a correspondence or meeting with an RW:

RW: "Why did you decide to look for wife in Russia? What's wrong with AW?"
WM: "AW are too spiritual. I want someone materialistic, someone down-to-earth and into material things."

 

[Eduard]

"Quote : "There have been dozens of such posts on this forum in many different threads over many years".
ON THIS FORUM are the operational  words.
Are AM on this forum typical AM looking for relatively educated wives ( not peasants/farmers, at least) with a considerable age difference?
 Let the forum male contingency try and make a similar search in America, albeit for entertainment,  attract AWs with a fair age difference and see whether the latter would be enthusiastic to jump right after  college into a downshifted life style,   heading for living in a log, saving for Goodwill merchandise, spending all summer long on the threshold picking up cones in the yard, darning their socks/ Sunday best before going to the morning service in church, and sewing quilts in her free time. And doing  all this in joy-- as paying their lifelong debt before the husband of 10 or --considerably-- more years older. In all probability, the enlightenment of the minds will occur much sooner than it takes to write their posts.
 
Of course, the lady ( typically) would prefer a man closest to her age ( in all countries and civilizations, due to obvious reasons), but if a man isn't in the same age brackets , he is prepared to attract with something else. Fora/forums of Russian fiances are  brimful of phrases " my grandfather, my daddy" when they mention their American husbands. I suggest those who is unclear on the subject in question better wipe their glasses and, at least,  not lie to themselves. For their own benefit. Materialism of a RW isn't less or more than that of her American counterpart  ( age, tactical and technical characteristics--aka appearance--, educational background, social status,etc)
 
It  is simply bound to be demonstrated  more among RW searched by this very category of AM.
Search and you will find :-)

[Eduard]

I am still a firm believer that the guys who consistently attract crappy women... well, you get the idea.

[Eduard]

Ok, now it's clear. AM like the RW because RW are materialistic. AM dislike AW because AW are spiritual. I think it's a good conversation starter for a correspondence or meeting with an RW:

RW: "Why did you decide to look for wife in Russia? What's wrong with AW?"
WM: "AW are too spiritual. I want someone materialistic, someone down-to-earth and into material things."