In Kharkov now, and feel like i am in the process of being scammed :(

[Olly]

Just got very interesting information: agencies pays to girls for their meetings with men. 20 $ per meeting. 

[Muzh]

Thanks for your reply Goombah. Will have a full trip report when I finish my trip.
A generic story so far is like: I met a lady from the introduction of an agency. On the first date, we had a dinner in a restaurant, together with an interpreter, where we spent several hours and it costs over 1000 grivna (not including the introduction fee and interpretation fee). I like this lady and we agreed to have a second date.

On the second date, we spent a few hours in a shopping mall (bowling), together with the interpreter. After bowling I ended up in buying the lady a lipstick of 500 grivna. Then the lady suggested to go to a very decent restaurent, where I spent almost 1000 grivna. On this date, I got the lady's mobile phone though she appeared to be a bit reluctant (When she was giving me her mobile number, she checked her mobile for the number and I accidentl saw that she read the number out of sim2 in her mobile screen, and so I guess the number is not her regular mobile number).

I tried to call her later. After several calls, she answered the phone, telling me that her job ask her to move to another city in Russia. But she said that she can be contacted via the interpreter.

I have a strong feeling of being scammed. Hope I am wrong.

You have a strong feeling?

Are you still thinking with your dick? Because that is what you are doing.

Let me guess:

An average-looking older man with a young hot booty body.

Last summer I was in Kharkiv and I took three friends to dinner at a very classy Georgian restaurant. Ate like a pig and drank like a fish. Total? 700 grivnas.

500 grivna lipstick? I surely hope you get your winnie stained with the lipstick.

What the hell is wrong with you?

You can't even talk to this girl.

Where do we find these people?

Have you gotten a kiss yet?

LMFAO

Don't count on it.

[CDW]

In your heart, you already know!  Why ask us?  Run, run, run!!!!

The only problem that he ain't Usain Bolt !!

[CDW]

Many thanks to you all! I will certainly learn a lesson from here. I have contacted my agency on this.
 
Will update my progress here.

When you go to Ukraine again, make sure you have Plan B ready.

When I first visit Colombia, I had Plan B ready.  My Plan B was to attend the fashion show that relevant to my business.  I did not really need that Plan B that time, but still attended there.

ALWAYS have Plan B ready for every trips especially if you are meeting 'new' ladies.  The worst case scernio that she did not turn up at the airport, waiting for you.........  and then what will you do?  No Plan B?

Since you are not into fashion, then it could be sports venue, or any special days, for example, Independent Day and so on.

Euro2012 (Plan B) would have been perfect timing if you are into football.

[CDW]

Just got very interesting information: agencies pays to girls for their meetings with men. 20 $ per meeting. 

Olly, which agencies is that?

[Olly]

Olly, which agencies is that?

I don't know name of agency but it is in St.Petersburg . Girls on women's web forum shared this information.

[Hammer2722]

Just got very interesting information: agencies pays to girls for their meetings with men. 20 $ per meeting. 

Doesn't really surprise me. Some agencies will come up with new and unique ways to make money from any foreign man foolish enough to part with it.

[CDW]

The problems with agencies business - the owners only think of themselves - their profits rather than really helping out their potential customers. 

Romance Tours in Ukraine are totally rip off prices!!

[Shadow]

Just got very interesting information: agencies pays to girls for their meetings with men. 20 $ per meeting. 

Is that per hour or per meeting? What are the minimal requirements to d during  meeting?

[GoodOlBoy]

What are the minimal requirements to d during  meeting?

These agency/tour owners are all pimps (flesh peddlers), what do you honestly think the girls are "required" to do? 
 
GOB

[Olly]

Is that per hour or per meeting? What are the minimal requirements to d during  meeting?

Per meeting. Requirements to meet with man. What they will do together it is their decision. For example: to buy the lipstick of 500 grivna or go to a very decent restaurant. 

[Faux Pas]

The problems with agencies business - the owners only think of themselves - their profits rather than really helping out their potential customers. 

Romance Tours in Ukraine are totally rip off prices!!

Imagine that? Da'nerve huh?

You'd be hard pressed to find an agency that operates a business model based on civic duty. As in "helping out" potential customers. Economics 101 generally teaches that a business not turning a profit fails pretty close to 100% of the time. It is possible to make a profit, think of themselves and their customers isn't it?

[GoodOlBoy]

Requirements to meet with man.

staryy kozel. 
 
GOB

[CDW]

Why is there never REFUND rules? 

[viking]

I am not going to dump on you. You are hurting a bit now. First ( next time) date, go for coffee. sit and talk. that's it. you are not trying to impress but to find out if there is chemistry. Take a walk. visit some tourist places ( she would want to show you around). Any hints of gifts say paka ( goodbye).

I am sure there are members here who have connections in this town. Find another agency. Tell them you are looking for someone who speaks at least some basic English. Forget interpreters.  BE IN CONTROL.
My wife's English was awful when we first met. But somehow you manage. If she holds your hands, looks you in the eyes, trys to understand you, speaks your name a few times, you know....trust your gut.

And good luck. PS. Dump this woman. And please do not look back.

[newjason]

Thanks for your reply Goombah. Will have a full trip report when I finish my trip.
A generic story so far is like: I met a lady from the introduction of an agency. On the first date, we had a dinner in a restaurant, together with an interpreter, where we spent several hours and it costs over 1000 grivna (not including the introduction fee and interpretation fee). I like this lady and we agreed to have a second date.

On the second date, we spent a few hours in a shopping mall (bowling), together with the interpreter. After bowling I ended up in buying the lady a lipstick of 500 grivna. Then the lady suggested to go to a very decent restaurent, where I spent almost 1000 grivna. On this date, I got the lady's mobile phone though she appeared to be a bit reluctant (When she was giving me her mobile number, she checked her mobile for the number and I accidentl saw that she read the number out of sim2 in her mobile screen, and so I guess the number is not her regular mobile number).

I tried to call her later. After several calls, she answered the phone, telling me that her job ask her to move to another city in Russia. But she said that she can be contacted via the interpreter.

I have a strong feeling of being scammed. Hope I am wrong.

Dude, why are you even there in the first place?  You did post about a suspected scammer you were "corresponding"  with about a year ago.  So you know damn well what awaits you  in ukraine, yet there  you are  paying 1) an agent 2) interperter 3) the girl who you can't communicate with 4) who ever else saw you coming.
You are doing this all ass backwards.
You are treating a girl like you do when you are in a relationship on the first date.  why?
No one scammed you. You simply left your common sense at home apparently.
These girls simply saw an opportunity to have a night on the town, asked you to foot the bill, and you did.
So you knew there was a bee's nest in ukraine, and  yet you went in for more.

I don't want to bust your balls, but It seems no one has been straight with you as to what is really going on in this FSU dating routine you are involved in.  You are paying for arranged dates. The girls are getting paid to go on dates with you,  they have no compunction about letting you do it either.
You pay, they take it, and then you go home.  What is the point of that?
Let me ask you a serious question:
 How much $ will you need to loose before you honestly tell yourself, " this was a bad idea" ? 

5000$ ? 
10k?
20k?
50k? 

If I were you ( and I am not )  I would start by calling the interpreter and tell her that she is taking you out for lunch tomorrow and she will be paying her own way, as you have paid for her and her associates meals and presents and was expecting ... (whatever you were expecting here ) .  Now she will probably laugh really hard at you,  and be offended and she will decline. But by doing that, you have taken your first step to ending the game you are playing and being played in. 

Be realistic about your life.
Know your limits, and know what is reasonable and what is not. 
Do not make exceptions  just because yo are not at home.
Forgiving bad behaviour because of the hope and desire to get laid will get you into big trouble.
You are the only one responsible for your own happiness,  If you let someone else (or pay someone else) control that for you,  you will be very upset and no closer to happy.

oh, one more thing..
Why the hell did you call a girl who hesitated about giving your her number, and you saw she gave you a secondary number?
Do you know when to say it's over? do you?

now if you will excuse me,  I have to start packing as my work just called and told me I need to move to  Swaziland.

kwamba alikuwa utani. bahati nzuri na wewe.

[CDW]

Tell them you are looking for someone who speaks at least some basic English. Forget interpreters.  BE IN CONTROL.
My wife's English was awful when we first met. But somehow you manage. If she holds your hands, looks you in the eyes, trys to understand you, speaks your name a few times, you know....trust your gut.

That's one of the reasons why I do not believe having an interpreter presents.  You will never learn how to deal with your lady.   Otherwise your lady will keep on relying interpreters all the time.

When comes to making love in the bedroom, will you or she need an interpreter?  Will the interpreter be man or lady?  

[newjason]

Why is there never REFUND rules? 

Why should there be a refund?
The services he paid for , were received.
Everybody got paid, got to eat, and had a good time spending his money. 
What more are they required to do?
Give him her phone  number?  ok she did that.
But he called a girl back that obviously wanted nothing more to do with him, and she even went so far as to use the " I need to move to Russia "

Remember when chandler tried to break up with Janice, and told her he was moving to yemen?

[u4072498]

Another fruitless day. But fortunately I got some advice from people in this forum.
I questioned the agency on this lady. The agent defended by saying that it is common here for people to have two mobile numbers and it is also not surprising for the lady to leave the city due to work.
Some comments are harsh, but indeed I was not thinking with my brain so far. Lesson taken.

[Hammer2722]

It is a true statement that ladies in Ukraine have more than one phone. Its because many of their friends may have separate phone providers so if she has a phone of the same provider then her calls to that friend will be free. I experienced this myself on my trips to Ukraine. I used Life and I was able to make free calls without having to use up my minutes.
 
This still does not excuse her behavior. You just need to move on. I know its not what you may want to hear but it will save you much heartache and money in the end. Chalk this trip up as a learning experience and if you still want to persue this, you can educate yourself a little better for next time. Good luck!

[Muzh]

Another fruitless day. But fortunately I got some advice from people in this forum.
I questioned the agency on this lady. The agent defended by saying that it is common here for people to have two mobile numbers and it is also not surprising for the lady to leave the city due to work.
Some comments are harsh, but indeed I was not thinking with my brain so far. Lesson taken.

Great first step. Sorry about the bluntness.

Dump this agency right now. All they see is "sucker" written on your forehead.

Find Mila in Kharkiv. She is a member here. See if you can salvage whatever is left of the trip. You may end up doing the sights, which is not bad. Also, the temperature has dropped considerably so you will not roast going out.

My wife and son are in Kharkiv right now until the end of August.

Hope you can make some changes.

[newjason]

Another fruitless day. But fortunately I got some advice from people in this forum.
I questioned the agency on this lady. The agent defended by saying that it is common here for people to have two mobile numbers and it is also not surprising for the lady to leave the city due to work.
Some comments are harsh, but indeed I was not thinking with my brain so far. Lesson taken.

Good for you 

Keep your perspective and do what is best for you.

[Chelseaboy]

u407,
        You are far from unique in having this unwelcome experience.It happens to MANY men out there.
 
I've had a similar experience,and so has at least one other thread poster here.Agency prodaters in Ukraine are the bane of foreign men travelling there to meet these girls.
These girls and their agencies have no heart.They just chase money and gifts from foreign men.They  see you as just another mark.
 
The advise given previously by other posters might seem harsh,especially as you're probably hurting a bit right now,but believe me it is good advise.
 
Contact Mila,who can arrange for you to meet some non-agency girls,you're lucky your in Kharkov.Who knows ? Some good might yet come out of this.
 
If you do arrange to meet any other agency girls,then insist that Mila acts as the interpreter for both of you,if an interpreter is really necessary,although you're better off only dating girls that will admit to speaking at least some English.No more agency interpreters.Put yourself in charge of the communication and dates..not the girls and their interpreters.
 
You must make it clear to any agencies there that you will now only meet any girls on your terms...not theirs.
Show them you're in control of the situation and you ain't playing anymore of their games.
 
 
 
 
 

[ML]

Guys . . . Come on now.  Some of you are being overly  harsh on this fellow man.

Yes, he did some dumb things.  Some of you detailed out these dumb things in such a detailed manner that it is obvious that you fell into these same traps yourself.

We can give good advice without being so harsh.

[Turboguy]

One meal and some lipstick doesn't seem like that big a scam.   I had women try to get me to buy them $ 800.00 coats and $ 400.00 boots and in some cases that was within an hour of meeting them. 


My take on it was there wasn't the connection she had hoped for.  It happens.  I think most of us meet women that we would like to see again but they are not interested and ones that want to see us again but we are not interested.  Not every man and woman are right for each other.  It was a learning experience.   There is a useful word that comes in handy in those situations.   It is NO in English and Nyet in Russian.  Sometimes we are afraid to use it but often it is what we should say.


I do wonder about the agency you are using.  I would say if it doesn't get better you might want to think about a plan B.  Plan B might be going on a site such as freepersonals.ru or Elenas and writing the women in Kharkov saying you are there would they like to meet you.   It might be contacting Mila. 


Sometimes people get lucky and this is an easy process and sometimes it can be long, hard and frustrating, but maybe fun at the same time. 


Good luck and keep us posted.