Why your woman don't help you?

[Olly]

I think you can talk on Skype with more than just one person in the course of a day or week.  At least one at at time.

But, to really be most efficient, the man (or woman) could probably get several women (men) hooked into the same Skype conversation at the same time. 

You just don't understand me. Of course everyone have conversation with some persons. Then you can make decision what woman you like and meet her. I just don't like when man go to Ukrainian agency like in shop to buy a young nice doll.

[Olly]

And please, tell me what is VM? 

[Muzh]

Ok getting away from the Sex Tourist VM's and the Delusional Dreamer VO's and back on topic.


I agree Olly.  If  a woman doesn't seem interested in planning, etc, a man's visit, there's a far greater chance that she's not into him.

How's this for the other side of the coin?

Imagine the girl has been burned a couple of times and is jaded. She'll probably sit down and see what the guy does.

I understand where Olly is coming from, but that is because Olly is a serious lady who don't take this events very lightly, as she has demonstrated in her posts.

But, not all RW behave like Olly and the smart man would try to weed out those who do not "move his chains" and continue his search until he finds someone who shows promise. And even then, may be her personality is not one of going all out for a stranger.

Good question though and what is the right answer?

[ML]

You just don't understand me. Of course everyone have conversation with some persons. Then you can make decision what woman you like and meet her. I just don't like when man go to Ukrainian agency like in shop to buy a young nice doll.

Yes, I do understand you perfectly Olly.  Your last sentence gets to the true crux of your feelings.

And surprise, surprise, you have the same feeling as about 99.9 percent of the women involved in this.

If the roles were reversed, 99.9 percent of men would feel the same way.  This is life.

[Muzh]

I like this general idea Dave to have these labels to attach.

But, let's find one for VM that is a little more toward the innocuous Delusional Dreamer category.

Oh, I'm waiting with abated breath.

[Daveman]

I like this general idea Dave to have these labels to attach.

But, let's find one for VM that is a little more toward the innocuous Delusional Dreamer category.

Hmmm, maybe Delusional Pork..er...  never mind...  I just picked the most common accusations tossed around in these debates..


Logical Lusters?    That sounds pretty cool.. the Logical Lusters and Delusional Dreamers.. 

[Muzh]

Yes, I do understand you perfectly Olly.  Your last sentence gets to the true crux of your feelings.

And surprise, surprise, you are like about 99.9 percent of the women involved in this.

If the roles were reversed, 99.9 percent of men would feel the same way.  This is life.

Are you saying that 99.9% of RW involved in the IMB are like dolls waiting to be purchased?

[ML]

the Logical Lusters and Delusional Dreamers

That's getting better.  Perhaps  a contest for names is needed.

The winner gets to go on a . . . what else but a WMVM trip!!

[Muzh]

Hmmm, maybe Delusional Pork..er...  never mind...  I just picked the most common accusations tossed around in these debates..


Logical Lusters?    That sounds pretty cool.. the Logical Lusters and Delusional Dreamers.. 

Somehow the VO came out looking like losers in this interchange. I mean, I was a WOVO and I'm a lustful soul. And I consider that (lustful) a compliment.

[Olly]

Are you saying that 99.9% of RW involved in the IMB are like dolls waiting to be purchased?

Don't like to tell this but YES! Maybe not 99.9% but a lot. 

[Daveman]

Somehow the VO came out looking like losers in this interchange. I mean, I was a WOVO and I'm a lustful soul. And I consider that (lustful) a compliment.

Heh, I was VO as well... five times.  Maybe that equates to time and resource intensive as hell VM.. 


At any rate.  No offense to either side meant, just deriving the names from what the OTHER side seems to sling during these debates over VO/VM -- AND attempting to lighten the mood with a little "roast" for both sides..


The truly humorous aspect of this debate is that the minority of VM or VO trips are actually successful (in that they lead to love and marriage) anyway.  So perhaps we can lump everyone together as "Nuts Who Chase Hot Skinny Babes with Accents"

[ML]

I just don't like when man go to Ukrainian agency like in shop to buy a young nice doll.

Something else to ponder Olly.

(Note: As I have posted dozens of times, I have never contacted nor visited an Agency)

If a man can go into an Agency, and shop through the available profiles and pictures . . . then where did those profiles and pictures come from?

Olly, you go to the farm market and choose a bit of cheese to buy.

Now, suppose after you left, all the sellers of cheese remarked to each other . . . I don't like it that people can come in here and shop for cheese.

There is often much disdain shown here for purchasers. 
But without sellers, the market would vanish immediately.

So if anyone wants to stop this; then stop the sellers.

[ML]

Heh, I was VO as well... five times.  Maybe that equates to time and resource intensive as hell VM..

How about this:

The VO crowd can simply return to the airport in the city they are visiting after their 'one and only' falls through.

But, they don't get on the plane.

They take transportation back to town and meet the next VO gal (or guy).

Then, they can combine the moral rightchedness of a VOer with the logical efficiency of a VMer.

[Olly]

Anybody remember what this topic about? 

[ML]

Anybody remember what this topic about? 

Yes, I think you were asking how you could go about planning a WMVM trip to Brazil.

And you were advised to check out info about Brazilian wax jobs.

[Olly]

Yes, I think you were asking how you could go about planning a WMVM trip to Brazil.

And you were advised to check out info about Brazilian wax jobs.

I don't like Brazil, there are a lot of wild monkeys.

[ML]

I don't like Brazil, there are a lot of monkeys.

Well, just don't eat the meat on a stick sold by street vendors.

[Olly]

Well, just don't eat the meat on a stick sold by street vendors.

Thanks, I never eat meals sold by street vendors.

[Gator]

I have gone 180° over the years. 

Ten years ago I went WMVM, and in retrospect I would do it again.  The obstacles to commitment were bad telephone connections, language barrier, and my inexperience with RW.
 
Today Skype provides far better communication, enough IMO to decide if a woman has high potential for a continuing relationship.  If the potential is high, she is special and I see no reason to visit others.  I would want to focus on this one special woman.  To visit other women would diminish the positive vibes Iwe are feeling for each other.
 
Most important, if I am not feeling enough positive vibes to commit to her, then why should I waste my time with her?   I should forget her and I should continue looking elsewhere.

[Ranetka]

.....I played a psychoanalytic here which I should have not done so I shall modify it....




We know that men found their halves using both methods. (We also know ML did not find his other half using WMVM though he is advocating it.) 

So perhaps WMVM is not superior per se but gives a man more sense of control?

[Muzh]

At any rate.  No offense to either side meant, just deriving the names from what the OTHER side seems to sling during these debates over VO/VM -- AND attempting to lighten the mood with a little "roast" for both sides..

Actually, no offense taken. I was just disappointed that as a WOVO I'd be considered a "safe" guy. 

[Faux Pas]

I like this general idea Dave to have these labels to attach.

But, let's find one for VM that is a little more toward the innocuous Delusional Dreamer category.

Funny, I've always considered the WMVM innocuous delusional dreamers almost exclusively

 

[ML]

(We also know ML did not find his other half using WMVM though he is advocating it.) 

So perhaps WMVM is not superior per se but gives a man more sense of control?

Not true.  I did find my other half, in fact several of them, using WMVM.  Even the Gal living with me now came via a WMVM trip.

And for me, WMVM, had nothing to do with control.  In fact, I was out of control (or lost control, or whatever) with several of the women I met.

Women control everything.  Always have, always will.

[Hammer2722]

Not true.  I did find my other half, in fact several of them, using WMVM.  Even the Gal living with me now came via a WMVM trip.

And for me, WMVM, had nothing to do with control.  In fact, I was out of control (or lost control, or whatever) with several of the women I met.

Women control everything.  Always have, always will.

Most definitely agree with this although they do sometimes let us think that we are in control!!!! 

[Ranetka]

Not true.  I did find my other half, in fact several of them, using WMVM.  Even the Gal living with me now came via a WMVM trip.

And for me, WMVM, had nothing to do with control.  In fact, I was out of control (or lost control, or whatever) with several of the women I met.

Women control everything.  Always have, always will.

You said a number of times your Gal is a widow if your business acquaintance, did I get something wrong?


several other halves - lol, how many halves does one man need?