Age difference from RW perspective

[Albert]

Here is a website populated by RW dicussing marriage with WM.

http://www.antidate.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=243&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

For those not reading Russian, the poll at top of page shows those who would accept different age gaps.

Most of the comments are pretty vicious toward those of us seeking younger gals.

Here is a very funny thing posted by one gal.

The difference between 20 to 30 it's chic.
Between 20 to 40 is shock.
Between 20 to 60 is cheque.

[Bruce]

In my opinion, until the girl meets the guy polls, generalities etc. do not really matter.   It is the individual that does.  Alot of these girls have not met Western guys.  Western guys, especially wealthier ones, tend to age better than average Russian men these days due to lifestyle and culture.  Some guys look and act greater than their age, others the opposite.   Many of these girls on chat sites have never met a man from the West.  Their only point of reference is Russian men.

[Doug Salem]

Albert,

That web site is notoriously populated by Russian women who are unhappily married to Western men and bitter about it. So consider the source. The group from which you drew your sample is completely contaminated. My wife, Olga visited that web site once and was shocked at the negativity and general unhapiness manifested there.

Like your advice on going with cut-rate lowballers on something as important, sensitive, and sophisticated as independent, unbiased communication with non-English speaking women being considered for marriage, your putting this poll up here demonstrates your niavete and inexperience with the whole "mail order bride" phenomenom. (Or perhaps you were just schilling for the lowballer.) 

By the way, Russian women on that web site made their choices to marry the older husbands whom they are now so unhappy with. To get green cards, of course. Nobody forced them to do it. If only they had held their poll before rushing to get the greener grass. I say their unhapiness is their just reward. 

- Doug S. 

[jb]

Doug S,

Agreed.

We now have about 3 threads concerning the "Anti-Date" website running here, which is mostly hostile to AM.  As I said somewhere else, this is not new, they've been yammering about this for some time.  These women have been vocal about their unhappiness for a long time, but it was a bed of thorns of their own making,,, I don't feel very sorry for them.

These are the gals who married the old, rich guys, met them for a few days and saw a quick route to the USA. Unfortunately, other ladies read this crap and want to jump on the bandwagon for the easy road to the West as well.  I don't think they, (RWs on that forum) represent a majority of RW brides at all, but they contaminate the whole herd.

Sad to say.

[BC]

Another? albert posted a similar topic on another board and a native speaker translated.  Didn't seem that the responses were hostile at all.  I've peeked at this anti website and can't really say it all that bad..

[Vaughn]

BC wrote: "Didn't seem that the responses were hostile at all. I've peeked at this anti website and can't really say it all that bad.."

I agree, BC. I read several threads through, and the women were railing more about the agencies Using them as mere income devices, answering letters to men without the lady's knowledge, posting their photos with misleading information, and so forth. I've said this a hundred times: there's nothing quite like a live phone call to establish reality, even it's gotta be a 3-way call. But I digress...     One woman DID complain about getting responses galore from men over her upper desired age limit, but she was hardly ballistic about it.

I've got a friend here who married a St Petersburg woman almost 2 years ago - and they tell us her photo is still posted on a website or two, and attempts to have it removed have been in vain. It won't surprise me to see her photo on a scam site one day soon, undeservedly.

Vaughn

 


 

[Jack]

This has been brought up and discussed before here so at the risk of sounding repetitious, one man's opinion as the age range most Russian women prefer.
 
I think most ladies of the FSU have no problem accepting men up to 10 years their age. It's natural. Now if a guy is special, in good shape, great personality, the average Russian ladies think 12-13 years older is not a problem. It's almost natural. If the man is very well off financially, in good shape, good personality many of these ladies have no problem considering men 15 to 20 years their age.
 
And then their is that darn character, charm factor. The almost perfect chemistry relationship. And ohhh, it's the hardest to come by. In these cases a young attractive woman can meet a man 17 years her senior, 21 years her senior, 25 years her senior, and age never be a factor. They fall for the man because he is the man he is and she could care less about his age. She fell in love with him. What are the chances of you finding a real, sincere lady in this category?....If you work hard, maybe 8 or 9%. And of course theirs always luck . 
Sometimes it just happens. A lot of the successful 'luck' large age marriages I have seen have come from unplanned meetings, where a man and woman just happen to meet in person in the FSU. No writing, just meeting on a busy sidewalk, or in the park, at the beach, a club or restaurant.
 
I feel most men should try to stay within 15 years of each other. Once you get up to 17-19-22 years age difference's the chances for a successful marriage decrease. It usually takes two very special individuals who can make marriages of 20 years or more work.

[jb]

I feel most men should try to stay within 15 years of each other. Once you get up to 17-19-22 years age difference's the chances for a successful marriage decrease.

Ahhhhh.....  A voice of reason, at last.

[RacerX]

If you work hard, maybe 8 or 9%. And of course theirs always  luck ]

Despite all the back and forth I've heard on this subject, this summarizes as well as any.  If you are in this category, you just have to be patient, be willing to invest a lot more time and effort, and yes, be lucky!

[Kvinna]

[user=0]Doug Salem[/user] wrote:

Albert,

That web site is notoriously populated by Russian women who are unhappily married to Western men and bitter about it. So consider the source. The group from which you drew your sample is completely contaminated. My wife, Olga visited that web site once and was shocked at the negativity and general unhapiness manifested there.

Like your advice on going with cut-rate lowballers on something as important, sensitive, and sophisticated as independent, unbiased communication with non-English speaking women being considered for marriage, your putting this poll up here demonstrates your niavete and inexperience with the whole "mail order bride" phenomenom. (Or perhaps you were just schilling for the lowballer.) 

By the way, Russian women on that web site made their choices to marry the older husbands whom they are now so unhappy with. To get green cards, of course. Nobody forced them to do it. If only they had held their poll before rushing to get the greener grass. I say their unhapiness is their just reward. 

- Doug S. 

Sorry guy I have to ask you: have you some own reason to delude other ppl on this board about antidate site?

Antidate was made to protect our women involved into online dating process from hazards and risks as well as against all sorts of pervert westerner men on dating sites with russian brides

So do favor and don't discuss subject you have no idea about

[jb]

Kvinna;

Poster child for Anti-Date...
Gimme a break ~!:D:D:D

[Bruno]

Over child,... i think that these photo come from a russian animation film for children...

It is about the story of a woman like these on the photo ( maybe her ) who live in a hole tree... but the tree go away because these woman have not a little "elf" for take care of the home...

Russian fairy tale say that some spirit take care of the home and that without it, all go bad home...

It will be interesting to ask at Kvinna from where come the photo and what is the signification...

[Elen]

You may think what you want about such sites but to be honest with yourslves let's please recall how many women you turn down before found your "lovely the only one" Have not ever thought what happened with all others?

[Kvinna]

You may think what you want about such sites but to be honest with yourslves let's please recall how many women you turn down before found your "lovely the only one" Have not ever thought what happened with all others?

 

I guess they are not able to think only to gawk at the female pictures

by the way we have discussion on Antidate: which country is the worse to seek for a soulmate

I hate to say grand priex got USA and the second prize is at Beligium

http://www.antidate.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=497

enjoy guys

[Bruno]

Great, Russian know Belgium ... like a scam country ... how is it possible that a country with only the same population that Moscow was listed... i know that we have around 7.2% of people from FSU in Belgium... but generaly, they are here like refugees...

Some correction... Belgium is not second but 3 :?...

[jb]

Tell me again how Anti-date isn't hostile to AM.

[Kvinna]

Tell me again how Anti-date isn't hostile to AM.

 

we aren't hostile to decent AM, only to paranoics, sex tourists, players and prevet persons who wish only thankful submissive hottie from FSU to use her as a slave. Unfortunately the most of such kind of mental scammers is from USA, that is fact

[Admin]

we aren't hostile to decent AM, only to paranoics, sex tourists, playersand prevet persons who wish only thankfulsubmissive hottiefrom FSU to use her as a slave. Unfortunately the most of such kind of mental scammers is from USA, that is fact

Kvinna,

A "fact" is supported by some sort of incontrovertible evidence. Please describe (with reference) to the evidence that would support your position as "fact" - otherwise, you are merely stating opinion.

Not that your opinion is without merit, but if you are going to state that your opinion is "fact", you need to be prepared to substantiate it.

- Dan

[Bruno]

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Unfortunately the most of such kind of mental scammers is from USA, that is fact

[line]
Easy to understandt why... not because they are more bad that the other, but because around 50% of the man who search a RW are from US... it is normal to have more bad man in a group of 1000 people that in a group of 10... it will be interessant to see stat in % and not in "how much"...

But for have Belgium in the list, we need to be really bad... since we have around 10000 people who search a foreign woman ( not only FSU )... our result is really bad...

[Muzh]

Kvinna,

A "fact" is supported by some sort of incontrovertible evidence. Please describe (with reference) to the evidence that would support your position as "fact" - otherwise, you are merely stating opinion.

Dan:

First of all, I think you are doing a superb job.  Now with the a$$ kissing out of the way...

I went to the site I believe is being mentioned here and if you want to see some facts, well take a look for yourself.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/antidate/

I remember one of the guys posted on this site talking to another one at KBP on one of my trips about how easy it was to have sex with all these gullible Russian hotties.  After listening to him for a while, there was no doubt in my mind he was either a scumbag or looking to shanhai some girls into prostitution.  But that again, is only my opinion.  And hey, don't get me wrong, I like sex   A LOT.  So I'm not being no prude.

Just my 2 centavos.

[Muzh]

I remember one of the guys posted on this site talking to another one at KBP on one of my trips about how easy it was to have sex with all these gullible Russian hotties.

For clarification purposes, the site I refer to is the antidate one.

[Admin]

Dan:

First of all, I think you are doing a superb job. Nowwith the a$$ kissing out of the way...

I went to the site I believe is being mentioned here and if you want to see some facts, well take a look for yourself.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/antidate/

I remember one of the guys posted on this site talking to another one at KBP on one of my tripsabout how easy it was to have sex with all these gullible Russian hotties. After listening to him for a while, there was no doubt in my mindhe was either a scumbag or looking to shanhai some girls into prostitution. But that again, is only my opinion. And hey, don't get me wrong, I like sex A LOT. So I'm not being no prude.

Just my 2 centavos.

Muzh,

Thanks for the compliment . . . I think :?

As for the antidate site and scamming men - I am the first to agree there are more men scamming women of the FSU than the reverse. I've sat across the table from more than a few young women who have had major disappointments from AM. I've also met a guy from AZ who now owns an apartment in Kyiv and spend almost half his time there - because "there is a never-ending supply of 22-year-olds willing to jump in the sack." Last I heard, he was putting notches above the bedpost for how many virgins he has sacked.

Having said all that - the antidate site is nothing more than a forum in which people of a like mind (i.e. - those females feeling they were scammed), are able to post their one-sided account of the incidents.

I don't feel this is any more objective or fair than the ones which condemn scamming women with little, or no, substantiation except for the claims of the alleged 'victim.'

You see, that is the fundamental problem with these 'blacklists.' There is no standard or reference that would prove meaningful and unbiased. I have seen more than a few guys who felt they were 'scammed' merely because the girls decided the two of them were incompatible. I am sure it cuts the other way too. Many were not scammed at all - they simply ran into someone out of their league or who found someone they liked more. It had nothing to do with scamming - and everything to do with the normal course of human dynamics in courting - except that the western guy had an overblown sense of expectation that led him to conclude he must have been scammed.

I suppose the two categories of blacklists - one for men claiming scams and another for women claiming scams - essentially counter-balance one another. But neither are valid - IMHO.

FWIW

- Dan

[Son of Clyde]

Shouldn't a smart RW be able to see through a sex tourist and realize what is going on? There are plenty of "dates from hell" between AW and AM and I don't see web sites created. We choose to not make the same mistake with that person and move on. This process is difficult enough when people are trying to be honest and it just doesn't work out. Antidate seems to take a negative view of AM in general.

I see these antidate posts on another site. 

[ConnerVT]

[user=130]Son of Clyde[/user] wrote:

 Antidate seems to take a negative view of AM in general.

It's the Westernization of the FSU.  They have Oprah style shows on TV there too...

[jb]

I guess the problem I'm having is Kvinna trying to create a marriage between her site and this one.  I really could care less what those women discuss over there, just keep it there.