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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 09:31:20 PM »
A very interesting analysis. Makes sense.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2012, 07:03:43 AM »
You have a gift for the understatement, the subtle.


Even though Russia is very elite / corrupt,  in such a economy, all layers of the society would be come much better off financially.  That likely blows a large whole in the motivation of a woman to find a foreign husband.  However, much of that change may already be in place.  I don't know

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2012, 08:40:10 AM »
With the natural resources that Russia has, it has the potential to be a true super power.
What will stop this is corruption!
It runs so deep at ever level, from the smallest office to Putin.
So corruption that is that ingrained, with everyone getting something!

Who is going to say Stop! Putin, not likely, he keeps changing laws
to give him more control and greater level to take without interruption.
Of course greed is a funny thing, after you have your first couple of Billion.
you could say, well damn, maybe we should try and fix some of the problems,
No, I have 2 billion, really I need 4, ok well maybe we will start when I got 6 or 10 billion!
And so it goes!

Thus the greed of the leaders far outweighs the feel for doing the right thing for the country you love!
Everyone gets a piece, except those who truly work and love their country, THE PEOPLE!
Common sense, Is not so common!

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2012, 09:17:07 AM »
So, you are suggesting that over the next 50 years, if Russia does in fact experience a new Golden Age, that the society will be locked in a very elite model ... where the top 3 % take virtually everything; another 15 % live upper class; another 25 % are middle; then a greater than necessary proportion of the population stay disproportionately poor and desperate?


Russia, Eastern Europe has reminded me of a dog that was locked up too long, and takes off and runs wild until it gets tired.  These countries are still running.


Is it impossible to think that, over time, they will become more tame - balanced - all encompassing?





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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2012, 11:43:36 AM »
Yes, yes, this is very interesting. 


Surprising to learn that the energy reserves in Russia are so vast.  No doubt that puts a different completion on things.  I don't think that resources define wealth.  The plane ride over to Ukraine from Austria is always astonishing as below one sees tidy little towns and farms in Austria and a country that frankly looks like someone stepped on it from the air as one gets into Ukraine.  Its similar for Russia.  But Ukraine has great farmland, 1000 year culture, coal resources in Donbass, an industrial infrastructure left over from the communist days, an great coastal/vacation areas.  It should be in the same league as the rest of Western Europe but far from it. 


The key to a country's economic future is the ability to build things that others want - this magnifies the value of natural resources by 1000s.  It is why Germany is a major player in the world and Iran is not.  So Russia has got more to do than pipe oil if it wants to rise to rise to the top of the power pyramid.


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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2012, 02:45:12 PM »
Yes, yes, this is very interesting. 


Surprising to learn that the energy reserves in Russia are so vast.  No doubt that puts a different completion on things.  I don't think that resources define wealth.  The plane ride over to Ukraine from Austria is always astonishing as below one sees tidy little towns and farms in Austria and a country that frankly looks like someone stepped on it from the air as one gets into Ukraine.  Its similar for Russia.  But Ukraine has great farmland, 1000 year culture, coal resources in Donbass, an industrial infrastructure left over from the communist days, an great coastal/vacation areas.  It should be in the same league as the rest of Western Europe but far from it. 


The key to a country's economic future is the ability to build things that others want - this magnifies the value of natural resources by 1000s.  It is why Germany is a major player in the world and Iran is not.  So Russia has got more to do than pipe oil if it wants to rise to rise to the top of the power pyramid.

Intersting topic,
I was also struck by the immense potential for Ukraine.  Of course there are the agricultural assets, but also the natural resources, and well educated people that could also support manufacturing and other economic resources to lift them out of the present quagmire.  They also have very cheap labor that would support expanding into new fields.  It must be the corruption and control of the wealth by the few that limits the potential of countries like this from blossoming into a richer state.

I am reminded of our neighbor, Mexico.  It has many of the same characteristics, yet the elite in government will not do anything to promote policies that raises the standard of living of their own people.  Instead, they risk their lives to come to the US in order to better their lives.

Unfortunately, it seems that countries like this that have a revolution and new hopes and dreams end up with just a new set of crooks that control the wealth.  The problem with Mexico is not it's resources or potential,  it's the government not having the leadership to change their future. I see the same thing with Ukraine and perhaps Russia as well.

In comparing Mexico to Ukraine, I think Ukraine has a huge advantage over Mexico to improve their standard of living.  The fact that Ukraine has a wonderful education system and most are highly educated puts them in a much better place for good leadership to advance the country.  Will it ever happen?  Who knows.

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2012, 04:15:30 PM »
Over the years, I have come more and more  to realize how we (Americans) were so blessed (and just plain lucky) to have had our original leaders (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc.) who never tried to personally profit at the expense of the general population.

This is what is lacking in Ukraine and many other of the struggling countries of the world.

Is there any hope that a truly honest man or woman will come along to lead Ukraine for the betterment of all . . . rather than to just build up the assets of himself, family and friends?

Is there something in the culture and traits of the citizens themselves that will prevent this from ever happening?
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2012, 05:08:45 PM »
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Over the years, I have come more and more  to realize how we (Americans) were so blessed (and just plain lucky) to have had our original leaders (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc.) who never tried to personally profit at the expense of the general population.

This is what is lacking in Ukraine and many other of the struggling countries of the world.

ME TOO! I think that this core concept could be a great book for Americans to read - we do not appreciate the "Miracle" that happened before us.

If the US is to remain great, it will be due to the Legal Legacy we inherit from generations past.

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2012, 05:25:59 PM »
Seems to be one of the keys to the Russian/Ukraine quagmire.  I've heard that the legal system in those countries has so many contradictory laws that anyone with a good lawyer can get away with what they want.  Things probably wont change in those countries until that gets cleaned up.


I agree, Ukraine has more potential than Mexico as the people there seem more in step with the modern world.

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2012, 06:19:14 PM »
Over the years, I have come more and more  to realize how we (Americans) were so blessed (and just plain lucky) to have had our original leaders (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc.) who never tried to personally profit at the expense of the general population.
Not to belittle your Founding Fathers, just a malign, Machiavellian thought: maybe they were already affluent enough not to bother ;)?
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2012, 07:01:13 PM »
Not to belittle your Founding Fathers, just a malign, Machiavellian thought: maybe they were already affluent enough not to bother ;)?

That would not be a bad thing either.  Wealthy enough to not need the public treasure, and moral enough to not feel the greed for it.

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2012, 08:06:55 PM »
That would not be a bad thing either.  Wealthy enough to not need the public treasure, and moral enough to not feel the greed for it.
I agree, they were not much like our dearly beloved former leader Berlusconi, top tax contributor for many years but with still an insatiable appetite ;D.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2012, 03:22:35 AM »
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In comparing Mexico to Ukraine
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2012, 03:26:57 AM »
a slightly different outlook:



Insight: Putin's Russia - more fragile than it looks
By Michael Stott | Reuters – Fri, Nov 2, 2012
http://news.yahoo.com/insight-putins-russia-more-fragile-looks-060214902.html
MOSCOW (Reuters) - When Vladimir Putin celebrated his 60th birthday last month, a group of patriotic mountaineers unfurled a portrait of the Russian leader on a 4,150-metre mountain peak.
Hailing him as a guarantor of happiness and stability, the climbers' leader explained: "We have stuck Putin's portrait on a rock wall we see as unbreakable and eternal as Putin".
But as Putin nears the end of his 13th year ruling this vast country, Russians feel increasingly unhappy and worries over long-term political and economic stability are growing.
Russia is exporting three things in great quantity, says a leading Moscow banker: natural resources, capital and people.
Only the first could be regarded as healthy and sustainable; the other two imply that oligarchs and ordinary citizens alike are turning their back on Putin's Russia.
Almost a third of city-dwellers would like to emigrate from Russia, according to a poll in September. Among young people the proportion rose to nearly half. The most favored destinations were Europe, the United States, Australia and New Zealand.
The reasons for this exodus of talent and money? A growing sense among educated Russians that their country is heading in the wrong direction, and that no change is likely.
It all began very differently. Putin replaced Boris Yeltsin in the Kremlin on December 31, 1999. His early years generated hope as the chaos of the Yeltsin era was replaced by order, the economy grew strongly - Russia's GDP has grown nearly 10-fold under Putin - and a consumer boom created a new middle class.
A group of reform-minded ministers led by Alexei Kudrin at Finance and German Gref at Economy raised hopes of real change to increase private investment, modernize industry and infrastructure and reduce dependence on raw material exports.
Fast forward to 2012. Putin began a fresh six-year presidential term this March, with his supporters calling for him to stay in power until a constitutional term limit of 2024 - by which time the former KGB spy would have ruled longer than any Kremlin leader since Stalin.
Outwardly Putin's reform agenda continues. The president and his government repeat the mantra of modernization - a concept beloved of tsars for centuries.
Putin told Russia's main economic forum this summer that his government would implement a program of major transformation to build a new economy, create or modernize 25 million jobs and become an exporter of innovative goods and services.
But the facts on the ground point in a different direction.
POLITICAL THAW REVERSED
A brief and shallow political thaw under Dmitry Medvedev's 2008-12 presidency (in which Putin continued to wield ultimate power from the prime minister's office) is being reversed.
Opposition leaders have been arrested on charges which human rights organizations say are trumped-up, new controls have been clamped on the Internet and a Medvedev repeal of slander laws has been reversed.
Gref and Kudrin are both long gone from the government and unconfirmed rumors swirl in Moscow that Medvedev himself will be fired by Putin before the end of the year.
Growth presses on but at the same time Moscow has the world's biggest population of billionaires, corruption is rampant and the country's huge wealth is very unevenly spread.
Kudrin helped to fund a startling study from the Centre of Strategic Research think-tank, published last week. It concluded from interviews with focus groups in Moscow and regional cities that Russians saw little chance of changing their "predatory" ruling elite through the ballot box.
Most thought a revolution was possible and even desirable.
Medvedev cuts an increasingly lonely figure in Moscow, his credibility with voters gone after stepping aside without a murmur to make way for Putin's return to the Kremlin this year. His supporters privately despair of any chance for real change in an economy that looks increasingly Kremlin-controlled.
One recent mega-deal shows the trend. Last month, state-controlled oil giant Rosneft said it would take over the number three oil producer, TNK-BP. Rosneft will buy out the current owners - four Soviet-born oligarchs and Britain's BP - to create the world's biggest publicly listed oil company.
At a time when Russian oil production is falling and large-scale investment is badly needed to open up new fields, the Kremlin is instead spending $55 billion in cash and shares to acquire control of a major oil company from the private sector.
As the government splurges, Russia's oligarchs are shifting more money abroad because of the poor investment climate. Deputy Economy Minister Andrei Klepach estimates that $50-60 billion of private capital will flow out of Russia this year. Moscow bank Uralsib predicts the figure could hit $80 billion.
"MIXED FEELINGS"
Putin told a group of visiting academics and journalists last week over dinner at his residence that he had "mixed feelings" about the Rosneft takeover of TNK-BP because it increased state participation in the economy.
Russia-watchers, however, had little doubt that the takeover was scripted inside the Kremlin. Rosneft is run by Igor Sechin, a long-time close Putin ally and Kremlin hard-liner who has always favored extending state control over key assets.
The two-hour, seven-course dinner with the Valdai Group of Russia experts was held at Putin's Novo-Ogaryovo residence in an exclusive wooded suburb outside Moscow.
The occasion was billed as a chance to gain insight into the latest Kremlin thinking and learn Putin's ideas for his new term. But at dinner, the Kremlin chief surprised some attendees with an uncharacteristically flat performance, devoid of the quips and bravado for which he is renowned and lacking in new ideas.
Corruption is one of the biggest problems in Russia for ordinary citizens, businessmen and foreign investors. The country has slid to 143rd place out of 182 on Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, tied with Nigeria.
Yet Putin shrugged off a question about corruption with a tired sigh, asking his audience what they expected him to say that was new about such a perennial topic.
Intimations of Putin's mortality have surfaced. The president's press secretary last week denied a Reuters report that the Kremlin leader needed surgery to correct a back injury, then days later squelched fresh rumors about Putin's health, saying he was working from home to avoid traffic congestion.
Such issues are no minor matter in a country where so much power is concentrated in the hands of one man, a man with no visible successor.
President Barack Obama memorably described Putin before their first meeting in 2009 as a leader with one foot stuck in the Soviet past, and signs of a drift backwards are visible in Moscow.
The Kremlin administration is now headed by 59-year-old former KGB spy Sergei Ivanov, who likes to describe himself as "rather conservative on national security but quite liberal on economics". Ivanov previously headed the Defence Ministry and the military-industrial complex.
ZASTOY AND PUTIN
On the lips of many educated Muscovites today is the word "zastoy" (stagnation) - an epithet which came to define the lackluster latter years of Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev in the 1970s and early 1980s, but is now increasingly used of Putin.
Despite years of government promises, Russia has yet to build a modern pensions saving system, improve regulation to create a viable financial market trading centre to compete with Dubai or invest in its crumbling infrastructure.
Already weighed down by the cost of hefty public sector pay rises ahead of this year's presidential election, the Russian government's latest budget envisages spending $620 billion by 2020 re-equipping the country's military, while cutting spending on infrastructure and education.
These priorities have upset business leaders, who are desperate for improvements to the creaking road network.
And despite repeated Putin's pledges to cut the economy's dependence on oil and gas exports, the oil price required by the Kremlin to make its budget sums add up has more than doubled over the pasts five years to $110.
In foreign policy, Medvedev's much-vaunted plan to reset relations with the United States on a more constructive track has stalled. Instead Moscow has confronted the West over Syria and given priority to pursuing a free trade area with former Soviet neighbors Belarus and Kazakhstan.
Alexei Pushkov, chairman of the Duma's Foreign Affairs Committee, says Russia wants to be an "independent centre of attraction" for nations in its neighborhood and adds:
"The West made a major mistake wanting Russia to be like the West - Russia wants to be Russia".
PUNISHING PUSSY RIOT
One of the clearest signs of divergence between Russia and the West is the treatment of Pussy Riot - a punk feminist band who staged a protest song in Moscow's main cathedral this year imploring the Virgin Mary to rid Russia of Putin.
Three of its members were jailed for two years - one later released on a suspended sentence - for "hooliganism motivated by religious hatred".
Putin said the women had "got what they deserved" because their performance amounted to a vulgar act of group sex and threatened the moral foundations of Russia. Western governments and human rights groups were outraged at what they saw as a grossly disproportionate punishment.
Yet the harsh treatment meted out to Pussy Riot may signify something deeper than moral indignation.
Many analysts see the jail terms as a sign of something deeper - Kremlin insecurity amid rising popular discontent.
While the street protests which swept Moscow last winter have now abated, political analysts say the urban, educated population is increasingly unhappy with Putin's leadership.
Far from the grandeur of Putin's Novo-Ogaryovo residence, its wrought-iron gates topped with the double-headed Russian eagle, to the north of Moscow lies the featureless dormitory town of Krasnogorsk.
Inside a small, noisy McDonald's restaurant there, a diminutive 30-year-old woman energetically explained her prediction for Russia's future under Putin, as a snowstorm swirled outside.
"The system itself is crumbling," said Yekaterina Samutsevich, the released Pussy Riot member. "It's becoming more repressive ... those in power have very strong fears and their behavior is more and more wild. We could end with a total collapse like the Soviet Union."
Whether the vision of the strong, stable, great power projected by Putin or the apocalyptic prediction of the young punk rocker come to pass remains to be seen.
But in the meantime Russia's people and its business elite are voting with their feet and their wallets. And Putin is not winning.
(Writing by Michael Stott, Editing by Peter Millership)
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2012, 04:01:50 AM »
a slightly different outlook:
Insight: Putin's Russia - more fragile than it looks
By Michael Stott | Reuters – Fri, Nov 2, 2012
Russia's look was always deceptive whether about her strength or weakness.   
Eduard, Stott's statistics about those wanting to emigrate is greatly discrepant from your observations. And statistics doesn't tell a lie  ;D
Though I must admit a lot of russians wants to move in Turkey, especially in these cold rainy days  :)

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2012, 06:13:08 AM »
Russia's look was always deceptive whether about her strength or weakness.   
Eduard, Stott's statistics about those wanting to emigrate is greatly discrepant from your observations. And statistics doesn't tell a lie  ;DThough I must admit a lot of russians wants to move in Turkey, especially in these cold rainy days  :)

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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2012, 05:39:26 PM »
Russia's look was always deceptive whether about her strength or weakness.   
Eduard, Stott's statistics about those wanting to emigrate is greatly discrepant
I agree, Belvis that number seems to be way too high.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2012, 08:29:03 PM »
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Over the years, I have come more and more  to realize how we (Americans) were so blessed (and just plain lucky) to have had our original leaders (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc.) who never tried to personally profit at the expense of the general population.

Well stated.


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Medvedev accomplished a lot and was gaining the trust of many ordinary Russians. His bowing out so humbly cost him in respect and makes it unlikely he could run for the top spot again.

Kudrin, Putin and Medvedev go back to their University days in Saint Petersburg and then the mayor's office there. However even though a long time family friend of Putin, Kudrin has become part of a new registered opposition party. He is one of the most trusted Russians in European government circles so it will be interesting to see if his star can rise again.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2012, 01:41:25 AM »
Over the years, I have come more and more  to realize how we (Americans) were so blessed (and just plain lucky) to have had our original leaders (Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, etc.) who never tried to personally profit at the expense of the general population.

This is what is lacking in Ukraine and many other of the struggling countries of the world.

Is there any hope that a truly honest man or woman will come along to lead Ukraine for the betterment of all . . . rather than to just build up the assets of himself, family and friends?

Is there something in the culture and traits of the citizens themselves that will prevent this from ever happening?

Is there any hope that a "truly honest man (or woman)" will come along and lead the US ever again? The few chances we have had to do this have been defeated, albeit narrowly.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2012, 01:47:02 AM »
I agree, they were not much like our dearly beloved former leader Berlusconi, top tax contributor for many years but with still an insatiable appetite ;D .

You don't quench the thirst for power by granting it through "small" concessions, that's like trying to put out a fire by pouring kerosene on it......
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 09:47:05 AM »
Is there any hope that a "truly honest man (or woman)" will come along and lead the US ever again? The few chances we have had to do this have been defeated, albeit narrowly.

OK, maybe the use of 'truly honest' throws too much subjectiveness into  it, since none would believe the opponent party is honest.

So let's look at the remaining part of my original sentence:  ". . . rather than to just build up the assets of himself, family and friends?"

Now I don't really believe that the men and women who have run for president of USA had as a primary goal to build up assets for themselves, family and friends.

Yes, some of them have made a lot of subsequent money from speeches, etc., but it isn't like stealing the nation's wealth as is done in many other countries of the world.

I presume it is the desire to have the ultimate power that drives most to seek the presidency.  I am sure it is quite a high to have such power and even be close to such power.  'Potomac Fever' at its utmost.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2012, 10:10:33 PM »
I doubt that book royalties and speech fees (even at a 100K a pop) is all they have to live off once out of the office. I really do have a "feeling" that when a new president takes office he meets with the bankers (The Fed) and gets education on how the world really works. And just to make sure that he doesn't get any ideas of changing things he is given details for a secret account (or accounts) with a cool sum of money deposited in it (how does a $100 million sounds? Sounds pretty good to me even if created out of thin air by punching some numbers on their computer system). So every one is happy - the Fed keeps their power, the presi gets his family set for several generations down the road and 20 year old boys get to die in wars around the globe for nothing freedom and country.
Maybe I'm mistaken but this scenario makes sense to me after observing the US politics for a few decades.
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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2012, 12:21:31 AM »
OK, maybe the use of 'truly honest' throws too much subjectiveness into  it, since none would believe the opponent party is honest.

So let's look at the remaining part of my original sentence:  ". . . rather than to just build up the assets of himself, family and friends?"

Now I don't really believe that the men and women who have run for president of USA had as a primary goal to build up assets for themselves, family and friends.

Yes, some of them have made a lot of subsequent money from speeches, etc., but it isn't like stealing the nation's wealth as is done in many other countries of the world.

I presume it is the desire to have the ultimate power that drives most to seek the presidency.  I am sure it is quite a high to have such power and even be close to such power.  'Potomac Fever' at its utmost.


I'm not a conspiracy freak per se. I do believe there is an informal power elite who stay in place despite the elections of executives, legislators, etc. Mostly these are entrenched civil servants, some long-term politicians and appointed Commissioners/Directors, etc. I agree the Fed calls on the Pres and other legislators as needed to explain things as best they can to prevent well-intended legislation which wrecks the economy.


But no, I don't buy into the secret cabal-like meetings of bankers and shadowy power brokers who have some detailed agenda. This administration is just incompetent and particularly lacking in judgment (IMO) for instance. I don't think Obama takes orders from Mecca (or his Ayatollah), he's just a less competent version of Clinton who is feathering his nest with various mementos and memories of how he smooth-talked his way into leadership of a superpower.  Dubya, I believe was just an average President thrust by circumstances into difficult positions and responses. Clinton, a womanizing, self-promoting schemer....and so on.


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Re: Food For Thought - A New Golden Age For Russia
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2012, 11:40:36 AM »
[size=78%]But no, I don't buy into the secret cabal-like meetings of bankers and shadowy power brokers who have some detailed agenda. [/size]
Ed, why "cabal-like"? Why not just a regular businesslike meeting? Why does this seem so unbelievable? I grew up in the Soviet Union where things were ALWAYS presented one way to the public while the reality was very different behind closed doors. I happened to think that human nature is the same all over with just some slight cultural variations. The same type of people rises to the top in any culture/country and I trust my common sense more than I trust the media or politicians. I think that there used to be some checks and balances in place here in the US when the main stream media was more independent and more objective but nowdays it seems to be not that much different from Putin's media in Russia.
I'd like to ask you, Ed, why do you think it's a conspiracy, or a theory? Is it not a fact that the Fed is an independent financial corporation who is not part of the US government, who has the power to create money (an unchecked amount of US dollars - the world currency)and influence (or maybe dictate would be more accurate?) the US economic policy as well as the rest of the world? An independent money printing corporation that does not get audited, who's corporate members' identity is kept secret?
Do you not find anything questionnable here, Ed?
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