Hello from Austria

[Marian]

Hi Folx,
[size=78%]my english isn´t the best but i try to follow the discussions (even with google translator).[/size]
I´m from Austria the City is called Bregenz (James Bond was here) at the Lake of Constance.
Trying to find a nice girl from the Russia,Ukraine or wherever,but also facing this scamming problems.
I have a Profile on some sites like natashaclub,dream-marriage and othe badsites,have never been a paid member,because it was suspect for me to get over 200 Letters or more in a few days.Thats why I checked on the Web whats behind those sites and found yours discussing those problems.
At the moment I´m not sure what to,cancel all my Profiles or getting the full Member Status and start the Journey with those strange Angency,or continue my search in the hope to find a good agency and good people which help and give some good advices.
Because of my bad English i will mostly follow the Threads and do not so often reply (only if its very interessting for me and i can give some advices).


Thnx for reading


Miro




p.s i´m hoping this post is in the right section

[Faux Pas]

Welcome to RWD Marian!

Cancel all of those that you mentioned. Cancel most all of the memberships where you are charged by the letter, by the minute for skype or other video conferences. There are a number of places/websites to peruse where the chances of corresponding with a legitimate sincere are greatly improved.

Your English is Fine and once again, Welcome!

[Hammer2722]

Try these for starters:
Free Personals.ru
Ukrainedate
Elena's Models
 
One is free, the others are either pay by month (Ukrainedate) or a level type of membeship. Any of these will allow you to communicate directly with the ladies and move the conversations to Skype for free.
 

[Hammer2722]

 Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.
I copied this from ML'S Persuing FSU Women 101 thread:
Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

[ML]

Follow the advice of Faux and Hammer.

Here is a more complete list of the dating sites you want to be using.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

- - - -

I just saw that Hammer and I were typing at the same time;  so  he has already shown  you  the list and procedures.

[Shadow]

Welcome Miro

If you ever need some assistance with the meaning of a topic or sentence, send me a PM.

Obwohl mein Deutsch nicht Perfekt sein wird, kann ich einiges uebersetzen wenn noetig.

As Austria is close to several countries, you have an advantage in distance and time that you can use.

[Marian]

Woow..First of all I want to say thank you to all off you.I didnt expect such helpfull Tips in such a short Time.
I see,I defintly choose the right forum to ask for help and discuss some topics.
Especially thnx to Hammer,ML for the link and Faux Pas for this great list and your very helpfull tips.
So I was right that those "pay per Letter sites" are some kind of scam.A reason fo me not choose them as paid member was,I can never know whom I´m writting and thats not a good concept for a datingsite,and only showing me photo or clip of a girl is to less for me to verify if those girls are real or not.Some people say they are real but paid from the Agency to write everthing only wanting the men to reply and buying credits.Cant belive that those site works till today,yes catchy sexy girls of course seducing,but I think thats not all a men should search for.
So thnx again for those Tipps and maybe the next Time I can post my first positive expierences.


P.S Shadow vielen Dank für Dein Angebot

[Hammer2722]

Welcome Marian, If you just remember to use your common sense and being realistic in your expectations for a good FSU woman, then you have already won half the battle. 

[Marian]

Welcome Marian, If you just remember to use your common sense and being realistic in your expectations for a good FSU woman, then you have already won half the battle. 

  I think I´m not that ugly..but I know that getting Letters (not one,hundreds of them) from 18 or 20 years old girl which told me they love me after 5 minutes is to good to be real..such things only work in our best dreams,,but not in realitly.

[Daveman]

  I think I´m not that ugly..but I know that getting Letters (not one,hundreds of them) from 18 or 20 years old girl which told me they love me after 5 minutes is to good to be real..such things only work in our best dreams,,but not in realitly.

It's hilarious actually.  Surprising that isn't an enORmous red flapping flag for any guy. I remember a time when men would flee to another planet if a woman hinted about marriage, or said the phrase of death too early...     some much for the "with age comes wisdom" idea, huh?  Luckily some of us never quite grow up... 


Welcome aboard. 

[Eduard]

Welcome!

[Marian]

Welcome!

Good Moring from Europe.. Thank You

[Marian]

lol  I checked my Accounts on Dream-Marriage and Natashaclub a few minutes ago
Inbox Dream-Marraige -->> 1786 Messages
Natshaclub -->>> 3691 Messages  39 are New
Hell yesss..Russia/Ukraine I´m coming!

[Chicagoguy]

 
Must be automated ?  Or do you remind them of Arnold ?
Welcome to the adventure.

[Marian]

Must be automated ?  Or do you remind them of Arnold ?
Welcome to the adventure.

Who the fu** knows how those Agencys Work.I dont!
I also read that Natashaclub is serious because they profe the profils of the girls before they can go online.And other stuff like that (fake checks,backgoundchecks and so on).
But I cant trust this Site because of this hughe Amount of Letters in short Time.
And who is Arnold..or what do you mean with "or do you remind them of Arnold"?

[Hammer2722]

I believe Chicagoguy was kidding. I think he's referring to Arnold Swarzeneggar.  No need to get too defensive.
 
By the way, NatashaClub is owned by First International. Yes, it is another scam site. In fact, you'll find that a large percentage of the ladies on that site will also be on Anastasiadate right down to the same photoshopped pics!!!

[Marian]

I believe Chicagoguy was kidding. I think he's referring to Arnold Swarzeneggar.  No need to get too defensive.

lol..i´m an idiot,now i understand it...as i told in my introdutcion post..my english isnt the best..thnx for the explaining.


p.s arnold isn´t such popular here in austria like in the usa,maybe that was the reason why i dint understand his joke..

[ML]

p.s arnold isn´t such popular here in austria like in the usa,maybe that was the reason why i dint understand his joke..

And the dislike is mutual . . .

Dec 27, 2005.  On Tuesday, a day after officials in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s Austrian birthplace of Graz removed his name from a soccer stadium to comply with the California governor’s wishes, they deleted references to him on the city’s Web sites.
Schwarzenegger earlier this month wrote to Graz officials asking for his name to be removed from the stadium and ordering the city to stop using it for promotional purposes.

[Marian]

When I´m reading al those posts here I´m defintly happy that I´dont live so far away from Russia and Ukraine.All you American´s had to spend so much money to fly there and meet those Girls,thats incredible.
I know that the USA is very poular for Russian girls.Does anyone know if they also like Europe?

[Hammer2722]

Actually, I've seen many profiles of FSU women prefer to meet only men from Europe so I don't think you'll have too much trouble there...

[ML]

Actually, I've seen many profiles of FSU women prefer to meet only men from Europe so I don't think you'll have too much trouble there...

I saw that too; but I ignored it if I wanted to meet a particular woman, and none seemed picky about it at that stage.

But possibly they just wanted to have sex with an American before they had to settle for a European.   

[TheTraveler]

Pursuing FSUW 101.  Below are the basics.

First, avoid all agencies and any websites that require pay per contacting each woman and/or pay per each letter.

Second, go to these websites:

http://singles.ru/
http://www.luckylovers.net/
http://www.rbrides.com/
http://www.ukrainedate.com/
http://www.allsinglerussiangirls.com/
http://freepersonals.ru/
http://bride.ru/
http://fdating.com
http://www.1vipdating.com/
http://freeukrainianwomen.com/
http://okfreedating.net/
http://luckylifepartner.com/
http://www.weblovefinder.com/

The below are in Russian language.
 
 http://www.edarling.ru/
 http://vmireznakomstv.ru/
 http://www.your-ideal.com/
 http://www.24open.ru/
 http://loveplanet.ru/
 http://www.maybe.ru/
 http://znakomstva-sitelove.ru/

Go to the above free and monthly cost ($19-30) dating websites.  Make up a nice profile of yourself.  Use the search engines to find about 800 - 1,000 women who are in the age range you want and have the education, height, weight, language, children, drinking, smoking, etc., parameters that you desire and are in a single target geographical area.

Do this screening first rather than look at pictures first.  After you have done the screening; then look at the pictures.

When you are two months away from your trip departure time, then start sending out your first message.

Send a generic but well written introductory message to all with each individual name typed at the top.

Of those  who reply, filter out all who make you worry in any way or give you concerns.

Send second generic but well written letter to all with their individual names typed at the top.  Modify it a bit to answer any questions that an individual woman may have asked.  Yes, this takes a lot of time.
I copied this from ML'S Persuing FSU Women 101 thread:
Repeat these procedures over about 6-8 weekly emails and you will have narrowed down your list to 15-30 gals.  You can continue to use a generic letter for each successive mailing, but be sure to modify it a bit to answer specific questions any gal may have asked and to ask specific questions of your own related to the family, interests, jobs, etc., of each individual woman.  Yes, this takes a lot of time, but each week you will be cutting your list down. 

Finalize your trip plans and start scheduling the women into time slots.

If you follow the above procedure, you will not have the need to ask us questions about scammers, etc., as you will have filtered out all scammers.  And if any of the women you are writing to give you any sheeeeet or cause you any concern at all, or ask for money for ANYTHING you simply drop them off your lists and continue on.

i've seen hammer's and ml's find-a-rw procedures posted here before.
 
just so you know... it's one way... but not necessarily the only way.

[calmissile]

i've seen hammer's and ml's find-a-rw procedures posted here before.
 
just so you know... it's one way... but not necessarily the only way.

True, but it's a great start for a newbie.
Post your method in response and we can evaluate it as well.

[TheTraveler]

True, but it's a great start for a newbie.
Post your method in response and we can evaluate it as well.

why do you say it's a great start for a newbie?...
 
(and i'm not saying it isn't.)
 
but have many (any?) posters here used their wife-hunting method and gotten married to a rw as a result?
 

[calmissile]

why do you say it's a great start for a newbie?...  
(and i'm not saying it isn't.)
 
but have many (any?) posters here used their wife-hunting method and gotten married to a rw as a result?

Because it gets a newbie on the right path to meet FSUW by bypassing the scam sites and some suggestions on how to approach them.  It's that simple.  I don't see their advice as how to conduct the whole courting phase.  LOL

My last 2 month trip was similar to a 60's hippy with a backpack.  I never dreamed I would use that approach, but it was a fantastic vacation and met some really nice, sincere women.  I have always thought there is no single approach that works best for everyone.   Whatever method they choose should be whatever they are comfortable with.