First timer headed to Ukraine

[Shadow]

Actually the line voltage doesn't matter..... you turned it off before working on the circuit.  LOL
What is really scary is the wiring in most of the Ukraine older homes and apartments.  It's a small wonder that more of them don't burn down every year.

However it would not surprise me if the only way to turn it off would be turning off power for the whole block... in which case all neighbours would be aware an American was in her apartment... you might as well place an ad in the newspaper you won the lottery.

[lonedrake]

 
  I spend the night in Minneapolis and then drove up to central Minnesota yesterday. The temperature here is 60F colder than when I left Ukraine. -25F. Now this is cold.

 It seems the topics of scammers,pro-daters,GCG get a lot of attention. I guess they should. Not nearly as much attention is given to FSUW who get used/abused. I really have no clue what the stats are,but it seems to me that for every man scammed there is a girl who gets used. Maybe it's just all's fair in love and war?

 I will share one final message from Eva. Some will take it the wrong way,but I think it can add some insight. Today I feel like I am one of the user's. I realize this is how love goes more often than not.....and I could have been just as easily feeling as she does today.

 I plan to take a break from this thread and maybe add to it in a week or two. Give me a little time to clear my head and get some work done.
 






dear, you broke my heart you took it with him, in Minnesota, I love you and a lot of suffering! but it is not a problem, it will pass! I never and no one was so good, how can you and I, I think you all will be well! I can do with my problem! here is not your fault, you are the best, You will be happy and find the girl that you love and you will love it! can not respond to my letter! would be better for me! I quickly forget those os! be happy! all the best! my dear, you deserve it!

[Patagonie]

LD, that phone call transcript has made my day, month , and year. I am elated to be with my Ukrainian fiancee; your ex-girlfriend's rant exemplifies many of the negative aspects of AWs' mentalities. Our fellow female citizens are soulless and clueless compared to average (non-scamming) UWs and RWs. 

Yes this is a common demeanor among AW.
The best, if a struggle begins, is to ask her : "excuse me, but may you explain what you have more than an FSU lady ?"
You will see her mouht wide open and her searching desesperatly something to say.
THEY ARE not used to think about what they do or what they offer, as they are used to be on a pedestal and chased. They never call into question themselves.

Just "excuse me, but may you explain what you have more than an FSU lady ?"
and you kill them.

And when they have desperatly searched for hours what to say (each time they speak about scammer, green card, you tell her : i speak about you, not about her : what do you have more than her).
The final estocade (point) comes when i say :
i have found FSU ladies more beautiful and feminin than AW in average.
I have found FSU ladies more educated than AW in average and at less smarter.
I have found FSU ladies as more hard worker than AW in average.
But the most important is that the respect consented to the men is present in every stage of the life of a FSU lady and in her society. Men are essential in their life, more than children, and they fight for this everyday. They give us a place and an identity that an AW, in average, never comes along.
To tell you this in an other manner : like you, FSU ladies want to be treated like princesse, but the difference is that they treated us like princes and you AW, you treat us generally like shit.

(they generally begin to fight saying how they are good girls, and all they have done for men their entire life) : i tell them : the problem is not what you do or what you have done: the problem is how we, men, feel. It determines our behavior. And the comparison with an FSU lady is totally in your defavour.

It is why 90% of 4400 people involved in cross cultural relationship says clearly in a poll that they would begin again such relationships, no matter the issue of what happened.
It is why, generally, you would not see again in your pool men who have gone and met such ladies.

Quite a shock for them. You are just leaving a nuke shell on the table. because you brake the core of their proud.
 

[Shadow]

LoneDrake, attraction has to be mutual and if it is not, there is no reason to continue. She obviously was attracted, but if you were not that simply ends things.
It would be wise to do as she mentioned and not reply, this was a 'leave me alone'  message and continuing  communication would only give (false) hope.

[Slumba]

Lonedrake, am I to understand that this is a grown, supposedly educated woman, who is writing to you? 

I admit to being shocked at the difficulty she has in communicating her thoughts. 

I have corresponded with FSU women who are not fluent in English, but who were far more able to communicate clearly.

And do I understand, that this woman rejected you, dated others, then said she missed you, then is still ticked off that you went and found someone else?

[Gator]

dear, you broke my heart you took it with him, in Minnesota, I love you and a lot of suffering! but it is not a problem, it will pass!

I find it odd that a woman expresses her love for you even though you rejected her early and never told her that you liked her.   I would avoid such women.  It sounds as if she is desperate to leave Lugansk.

[ML]

I really have no clue what the stats are,but it seems to me that for every man scammed there is a girl who gets used.

Quite a bold statement, even with no stats !!

My unsupported estimate is that, for every 10 men scammed, there is only one woman used.

I am referring strictly to the men who are involved in finding a FSUW as a mate; not to men who are involved in prostitution rings, etc.

[CDW]

I have found FSU ladies as more hard worker than AW in average.

except these FSU ladies who are scammers, pro-daters.

[Shadow]

nd you think it is not hard work to keep a constant line-up of men foolish enough to pay them?

[jone]

Steve,

There is no way in Hell that you used this woman. Unless you went into the relationship with expectations of sex only - without the possibility of marriage - I'd say you have behaved honorably.

- Just as the first two women behaved correctly by letting you know that you were not the man for them.

She was looking for a mate.  Ultimately both parties have to agree.  She didn't fit the profile of who you wanted to marry.  If there is no chemistry, there is no marriage.  In a very nice fashion, you let her know this.

Perhaps you would like to amend your statement.  "For every man scammed there is a woman who does not realize her hopes."

After reading your posts, my feeling is that you are too hard on yourself. 

Get back on your horse.

-j

[Gator]

My unsupported estimate is that, for every 10 men scammed, there is only one woman used.

That is a lot of men.  For example, you alone as just one man account for 126 women, meaning 1260 men had to be scammed to meet your algorithm.   

[Eduard]

That AW has all the usual slams on FSUW that constitute the general AW consensus on FSUW, plus some she thought up on her own.  As I read the transcript of the conversation I thought to list them all but there are really too many to list.  Here is a brief sample I've highlighted:

1. Well...if u went to get a subservient wife....

2. all FSUW are either scammers or Green Card Girls

3. all you want is a hot girl to have sex with

4. "Why don't u try learning to have some respect for women and stop ur exploitation on looks!!"

To be sure, this AW is extreme, but it's interesting how many single American girls think this way.

Funny, all AW that visit my facebook page and are compelled to leave a comment sounding exactly like that!

[clancyhound]

# 4 is a classic.  LOL

[lonedrake]

 I think I have recovered from the jet lag. I do feel much better.

 As far as this AW text conversation..........I feel I should explain that a little more. She is a cute woman with a nice athletic body. She has a decent job,owns her own home and does not drink.  She is actually very funny and a great conversationist. In the first three weeks after we met I was on cloud nine....but then the cloud started to evaporate.....and we crashed to the ground in a ball of flames.

 The reason for our breakup was due to my work. She gave me a couple of choices.

1. She would quit her job,put her house up for sale and go with me. I was to support her ....till whenever.
2. I would not go to Minneapolis and work.

 I thought it was all a little crazy since we had been together less than a month. But...she talked about it every day. Finally one night I just told her I can't take it and left. She called me when I was on my way home and said if I want any chance of saving this relationship I need to turn around. I told her that's not going to happen.

 She is very funny and sweet when she is happy....but when she is not happy....she cannot control her temper or the things she says.

 As far as my text conversation during my trip home from Ukraine. I do not take what she says to serious. She is entertaining. but delusional IMO.  For instance...when she says I have a good woman waiting at home like her! What a joke...more like some guy just dumped her and she was lonely.

 A life with a woman like her would shorten my life by at least tens years......and the end would probably not come soon enough.


 

[Belvis]

She is a cute woman with a nice athletic body.

I see often this characteristic (athletic body) when AM talk about AW, however  they almost never describe FSUW by this term.
While in USA I've paid attention that females bodies were bi-polar: large (politically correct) or visually muscular. So athletic body means muscular figure or just a non-fat body?

[Faux Pas]

I think I have recovered from the jet lag. I do feel much better.

 As far as this AW text conversation..........I feel I should explain that a little more. She is a cute woman with a nice athletic body. She has a decent job,owns her own home and does not drink.  She is actually very funny and a great conversationist. In the first three weeks after we met I was on cloud nine....but then the cloud started to evaporate.....and we crashed to the ground in a ball of flames.

 The reason for our breakup was due to my work. She gave me a couple of choices.

1. She would quit her job,put her house up for sale and go with me. I was to support her ....till whenever.
2. I would not go to Minneapolis and work.

 I thought it was all a little crazy since we had been together less than a month. But...she talked about it every day. Finally one night I just told her I can't take it and left. She called me when I was on my way home and said if I want any chance of saving this relationship I need to turn around. I told her that's not going to happen.

 She is very funny and sweet when she is happy....but when she is not happy....she cannot control her temper or the things she says.

 As far as my text conversation during my trip home from Ukraine. I do not take what she says to serious. She is entertaining. but delusional IMO.  For instance...when she says I have a good woman waiting at home like her! What a joke...more like some guy just dumped her and she was lonely.

 A life with a woman like her would shorten my life by at least tens years......and the end would probably not come soon enough.

It's pretty obvious this relationship isn't over IMHO

[lonedrake]

It's pretty obvious this relationship isn't over IMHO

  If it is obvious to you....i would assume others believe the same.

 This means I really do need to improve my communication....as this is not the case.

[GQBlues]

... I think I have recovered from the jet lag. I do feel much better....

Good!

...She is a cute woman with a nice athletic body. She has a decent job,owns her own home and does not drink.  She is actually very funny and a great conversationist.<snip> 

*1. She would quit her job,put her house up for sale and go with me. I was to support her ....till whenever.<snip>*

*I thought it was all a little crazy since we had been together less than a month.*

*She is very funny and sweet when she is happy....but when she is not happy....she cannot control her temper or the things she says.*
 
*For instance...when she says I have a good woman waiting at home like her! What a joke...more like some guy just dumped her and she was lonely.*

...and so your reaction to all these is run to Ukraine for a wife and actually believe you'll avoid all of the above? LOL.

You boys are way too funny sometimes.

..*She is entertaining. but delusional IMO.* (  )

*A life with a woman like her would shorten my life by at least tens years......and the end would probably not come soon enough.*

That's parallel to my sentiment about the plight of my LA Lakers' miserable season. There comes a point and time you realize the problem is not on the coach anymore- it's the damned players themselves, you know...

[Ranetka]

 The reason for our breakup was due to my work. She gave me a couple of choices.

1. She would quit her job,put her house up for sale and go with me. I was to support her ....till whenever.

And how is it going to be different with a Ukrainian woman may I ask?

[Gator]

I see often this characteristic (athletic body) when AM talk about AW, however  they almost never describe FSUW by this term.
While in USA I've paid attention that females bodies were bi-polar: large (politically correct) or visually muscular. So athletic body means muscular figure or just a non-fat body?

"Athletic" should mean visually muscular.  However, I guess that most women who check this box for body type on dating sites are not slender yet not obese, typically featuring:  barrel shape with a large rib cage and small breasts,  strong thighs that will crush you when in the missionary position, and cankles.  If they had larger breasts and  ass, the women would check "curvy."   Men checking the box typically would probably be overweight even though it should mean wide shoulders and narrow waist with defined muscles (a V shape).

[Faux Pas]

  If it is obvious to you....i would assume others believe the same.

 This means I really do need to improve my communication....as this is not the case.

I would say you are in denial IMHO. If , (also in imho) it were over with that AW, that conversation would have never taken place. Reading between the lines (yes much of that is done here) you were defending your trip to meet a UW to this woman that supposedly already kicked you to the curb. If there were no more feelings for that lady, what were you defending?

You're a grown man. There is nothing to be ashamed of to travel to meet a woman in another country. Since the advent of the internet it is actually done thousands of times daily. Why would you owe her of all peeps, an explanation? If you had no feelings for her of a romantic nature, IMHO, you wouldn't

[TheTraveler]

And how is it going to be different with a Ukrainian woman may I ask?

great point, ranetka!

[Gator]

And how is it going to be different with a Ukrainian woman may I ask?

Great question!

It will be much different with a UW.  For sure Lonedrake's "whenever" will be longer.  Not only will the UW require financial support longer than an AW, the UW will be even more dependent for his limited time  as she slowly adjusts to a different culture and immediately faces the loneliness of not having her family and friends.   However, given a few years, quite possibly the UW may excel and contribute more than an AW.

Lonedrake, have you thought this through?

[Ranetka]

Great question!

It will be much different with a UW.  For sure Lonedrake's "whenever" will be longer.  Not only will the UW require financial support longer than an AW, the UW will be even more dependent for his limited time  as she slowly adjusts to a different culture and immediately faces the loneliness of not having her family and friends.   

She will also not sell her house lol

[TheTraveler]

Great question!

It will be much different with a UW.  For sure Lonedrake's "whenever" will be longer.  Not only will the UW require financial support longer than an AW, the UW will be even more dependent for his limited time  as she slowly adjusts to a different culture and immediately faces the loneliness of not having her family and friends.   However, given a few years, quite possibly the UW may excel and contribute more than an AW.

Lonedrake, have you thought this through?

great, great stuff, gator!