Why Russian Women Specifically?

[ukthesis]

One thing I rarely see discussed.  Why Russian women specifically?  Why are they special?  After all, presumably there are EU-wide dating sites featuring women that are easier to visit and don't require the same visa requirements, and perhaps more likely to speak English.

[ML]

One thing I rarely see discussed.  Why Russian women specifically?  Why are they special?  After all, presumably there are EU-wide dating sites featuring women that are easier to visit and don't require the same visa requirements, and perhaps more likely to speak English.

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[GQBlues]

It depends which version you prefer.....
 
But a recent service provider gave us a glimpse what FSUWs are dreaming about and what a western man need to understand...You can read it here:
 
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=15849.0
 
All you really need is a horse and a shoe. Everything else is apparently negotiable.

[Manny]

One thing I rarely see discussed.  Why Russian women specifically?  Why are they special?  After all, presumably there are EU-wide dating sites featuring women that are easier to visit and don't require the same visa requirements, and perhaps more likely to speak English.

Maybe because most old goats cant pull twenty years younger women at home and nearby.


Maybe because the language barrier hides some stuff, for a while.


You use the term "Russian" women. Find someone here who married a Russian one the last five years. I bet its on one hand.

[Turboguy]

I think most on the forums use the term RW to cover women from anywhere in the former FSU.  Some of the polls I have seen showed a lot of the man have married women from Russia.  If I recall correctly in some of the forum polls I have seen it beat Ukraine for number of marriages.   I do think times are changing.   That is is harder to meet sincere women from Russia and more guys are starting to head to some of the other FSU contries, the Stans, Moldova etc. 

[BillyB]

Why Russian women specifically?  Why are they special?  After all, presumably there are EU-wide dating sites featuring women that are easier to visit and don't require the same visa requirements, and perhaps more likely to speak English.

The losers answer to those questions are they hope to catch any woman so any woman is special. The winners answers can vary. Some men like the look of Slavic women compared to western European and America women, Latinos and Asians. They want a woman to look sharp and look like a woman. RW on average dress and take care of their appearance better than their other sisters worldwide. In my opinion RW are easier to approach, communicate with, and date. I've dated more RW in America than Americans.

[YoungBuck]

 I'll give a Darwinian answer: if I am going through all this hassle of international dating then I want someone who I normally won't come in contact with;  diversify the gene pool if you know what I mean. Latinas and Asians are a dime a dozen and I can find hot women in los Angeles  although a little vapid,  but the mix of exotic  beauty, smarts and personality that I like I have only seen in Russian women.
I was friends with a few during school,  and I now regret not asking them out because I thought we wouldn't work out. I'm lucky that Russian women are crazy enough in wanting to meet and marry foreign men and so I get a second chance.

[Gator]

You use the term "Russian" women. Find someone here who married a Russian one the last five years. I bet its on one hand.

Two fingers here.

[Gator]

One thing I rarely see discussed.  Why Russian women specifically?  Why are they special? 

It will become self-evident as you immerse yourself in the deep end of the pool.  If not self-evident, stay home.

[ML]

It will become self-evident as you immerse yourself in the deep end of the pool.  If not self-evident, stay home.

What would TJ say about this?

[Gator]

What would TJ say about this?

I do not shop at TJ Maxx.  It must be my bedtime.

[Chicagoguy]

Sorry Manny, but our marriage is now 4 years old. She was 53 when we met and had never been married before. I think Russian woman take better care of themselves than many American woman. And you can get more bang for your buck with former FSU women IMO. Just use common sense. If you always strike out in your own country it won't be any easier overseas.
And they can be very attentive to their man. Even protective. I wouldn't  call my woman vain - just careful. And fast when getting ready to go out. I have seen this before in other Russian I have dated. You are proud to have them with you.
When I asked my wife,, who is very cute and has a very good shape, why she wasn't with a Russian man she replied - "There aren't any". They are either alcoholic, married or dead. It turns out she had never been fond of them. Add to this she had never had any desire to come to U.S. I would say it started out as a lark for her. Not a gold digger in any way.
I was happily married to an American woman for 35 years but she passed away 6 years ago. There are still plenty of decent American women - I suppose - but I could see it would take me years to find mine. Or get lucky. Some aren't really looking anymore. They are content with their girlfriends.
One thing I would like to add is I think American grandmothers look better than Russian babushkas. Go down Michigan Ave in Chicago and you see plenty, But many of these are taken and also seem to have plenty of money.
So in the end we are both VERY happy. My daughters are crazy about her, the grandchildren love her and vice versa, Even the family of my wife who died really likes her. All 30 of a big Irish Catholic family. And lastly my lifelong friends really like her.   

[Lily]

One thing I would like to add is I think American grandmothers look better than Russian babushkas. Go down Michigan Ave in Chicago and you see plenty, But many of these are taken and also seem to have plenty of money.
   

Totally agree with you Chicagoguy! American older women look way better then their FSU sisters. I also noticed that in the US, it does not take to have lots of money in order to look good. There are plenty of ways to find the finest clothes and shoes at a rather modest price. At least less than for the same in Neiman Marcus for sure! 
 
The thing is that in the US, there is much more opportunities for an invidual in almost any area of life, of which the AW seem to take advantage to the fullest!

[vwrw]

.. it does not take to have lots of money in order to look good. [size=0px]There are plenty of ways to find the finest clothes and shoes at a rather modest price.[/size]
 
The thing is that in the US, there is much more opportunities for an invidual in almost any area of life, of which the AW seem to take advantage to the fullest!

Yes, fine shoes or clothes can be found for an affordable price. Unfortunately, fine shows and clothes do a little in beautifying the seniors. Attractiveness in the old age is all about preserving youthful appearance, joyful facial expression  and good shape. Maintaining of youthful appearance and joyful facial expression is expensive as you can see it by looking at the prices of beauty centers and the prices of activities that provide you with the joyful face.


Continuous employment after age of 65 is often helpful in looking good at the old age. Unfortunately, that is almost impossible for the majority of Russian seniors. Taking into consideration the average social benefits of Russian senior, all they can afford is watching TV home and excessive siting home and watching TV degrade people, regardless of their age.     

[Shadow]

You use the term "Russian" women. Find someone here who married a Russian one the last five years. I bet its on one hand.

If you look at it technically I fit in this cateogry. Though 8 years ago we were preparing my second trip that would prepare the application to the Dutch Embassy...
Our laws actually favoured a trial period, however they have become a lot stricter since then. Mainly to discourage false import...

[Shadow]

To the OP: somewhere in the trip reports of long  long ago is my tale.
I dated locally, went to Argentina, to America and Ukraine before finding Mrs (Always) Right in Russia.
Never limit yourself to one area or one country, just limit yourself to one person when the time is right.

[vwrw]

 I also noticed that in the US, it does not take to have lots of money in order to look good. There are plenty of ways to find the finest clothes and shoes at a rather modest price.

Here is a gorgeous 59 y.o ( at the time of the video was taken)  [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FIqHm3hqOIs#![/size]


No way  many women can look like that (white teeth, silky hair, good skin) without appropriate maintenance and that requires lots of money.   

[Gator]

My wife will be 48 soon.  She has a 24-yo daughter.  Sometimes the three of us dress up and go out together to a social gathering among many strangers.  As we mingle with the strangers, many many times people think them sisters and exclaim such upon learning the truth.  And without much makeup.
 
Genes certainly play a part in how we age.  I assert maintaining our health, taking care of ourselves (good diet, exercise, not smoking, wearing sunscreen, avoiding stress), and wearing fine clothes and jewelry can achieve wonders.  But starting with a thoroughbred such as my wife is important.
 
I agree that the average 60-yo RW looks older than the average 60-yo AW with whom I socialize.  What happens to the tall pencil-thin dyevs?  Do they disappear or do they lose 6" of leg length and resemble a fire hydrant?  To be fair, there are many 60-yo AW with whom I do not socialize who look horrible, and some 45-yo AW who look like they are 60-yo.
 

[Lily]

Here is a gorgeous 59 y.o ( at the time of the video was taken)  [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FIqHm3hqOIs#![/size]


No way  many women can look like that (white teeth, silky hair, good skin) without appropriate maintenance and that requires lots of money.   

I'd say there would be more genes in looking like this than maintenance. What contributes next to the appearance would be the peace of mind, IMHO.
 
As far as for the expensive dental work or cosmetic surgery, here in the Americas we always have some great specialists in Mexico or Dominicana. Beauty tourism where you can get the good quality work for less $$ looks like an American thing. A thorough research always brings you a few options of the experts to choose from.

[alex330]

Continuous employment after age of 65 is often helpful in looking good at the old age. Unfortunately, that is almost impossible for the majority of Russian seniors. Taking into consideration the average social benefits of Russian senior, all they can afford is watching TV home and excessive siting home and watching TV degrade people, regardless of their age.     

Yes, I have heard the same thing. I expressed interest in taking my wife's grandmother out for a family dinner on our next trip to Ukraine and was told she would not go and never leaves the house. Maybe to go to the local market every now and then, but that is about the extent of it. My wife was amazed at all the older people out and about when she moved to the US. The retirees retirees working in supermarkets especially shocked her.

[vwrw]

I'd say there would be more genes in looking like this than maintenance. What contributes next to the appearance would be the peace of mind, IMHO.
 

Sure, it is good genes that make older AW look good; and those billions of dollars spent on cosmetic and dental procedures each year in America are done by tourists and immigrants coming here with bad genes.

[vwrw]

My wife was amazed at all the older people out and about when she moved to the US.

So was I. Not only the older people are out  here, are working, their faces look diffidently. Looking at pics of FSU and American seniors, I never fail to identify their nationality.   

[Belvis]

American older women look way better then their FSU sisters. I also noticed that in the US, it does not take to have lots of money in order to look good. There are plenty of ways to find the finest clothes and shoes at a rather modest price.

Retired FSUW have much less money for shopping indeed. What is more important they have no motivation to look good after 60, they are concerned more about ample harvest at dacha and health of grandchildren. As for money and nice appearance I would not draw the direct connection between them. There are more important factors to keep on captivating looks. Charm is not on sale.

I agree that the average 60-yo RW looks older than the average 60-yo AW with whom I socialize.  What happens to the tall pencil-thin dyevs?  Do they disappear or do they lose 6" of leg length and resemble a fire hydrant?

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God knows how tall pencil-thin girls will look like.  Probably like present  60-yo AW as Russia goes behind US in many ways 
I can say for certain only that  present 60-yo  RW  looked a way different 40 years ago than present 20 y.o. girls.

[BillyB]

you can get more bang for your buck with former FSU women IMO. Just use common sense.

Nothing wrong with that. If a western guy can find a better wife overseas and can afford it, it's better than settling for less in life. Finding a life partner is a major decision and a little more thought and effort should be applied in getting it right. Same goes for FSU women. If she can find a man overseas that can give her the life, family, and children she dreams of, I see nothing to be ashamed of. What people should be ashamed of is settling for less when better is available.


Even with losers, if they can find a quality wife elsewhere, they would have accomplished a goal that some of their critics could not.

It will become self-evident as you immerse yourself in the deep end of the pool.  If not self-evident, stay home.

Right, if a guy doesn't see anything special or benefit of getting a wife in the FSU, he should stay home.

There are plenty of ways to find the finest clothes and shoes at a rather modest price. At least less than for the same in Neiman Marcus for sure! 
 

My wife is excited about the prices on nice clothes and shoes too.

[Gator]

I can say for certain only that  present 60-yo  RW  looked a way different 40 years ago than present 20 y.o. girls.

Also true in the US.  I was a horny lad in high school (grade 10-12).   And none of those girls looked as hot as today's top 25%.