Boston marathon bombers are Chechens?

[Darth_Budda]

Extremes of black and white? You can't have freedom without government who create and enforce the law. When you drive down the road and you get a ticket for speeding or running a red light by one of those hidden cameras, do you get mad at the government for spying on you or do you get mad at yourself for risking public safety and possibly ending the freedoms of others? Government has a responsibility to protect the public so the public can enjoy their freedoms yet they still get labeled as the bad guys when they go after bad guys. Go figure?

We have those Cameras around were I live... No one liked the idea of ca,eras giving out tickets..
So they don't use them for that...

They were installed by Home land security to record plate numbers.... Why?  Because i live in a area were a lot of people smuggle goods to and from Canada...  Like drugs and cheese...

I am a Democratic Communist, So I fully except the role of government... I don't think the Libertarians/Anarchists way of thought would NOT be very good for the majority of people, rich or poor.

But I also believe governments in general should not be trusted. Especially those controlled by multinational corporations whose sole purpose is to accumulate more capital at the expense of everyone else.

[CanadaMan]

Pit, the "European" eye is of no consequence to the large part of the U.S. population that you refer to. Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them.

I think most here, most Americans, most Canadians, most Europeans would agree with your statements above.

However the opposite is not true. The "American" eye is of consequence to most Canadians and Europeans.
Most Canadians and Europeans do care about what Americans think of them.

Why is it that Americans only care about themselves, whereas the rest of the world cares about everybody?

[Faux Pas]

I think most here, most Americans, most Canadians, most Europeans would agree with your statements above.

However the opposite is not true. The "American" eye is of consequence to most Canadians and Europeans.
Most Canadians and Europeans do care about what Americans think of them.

Why is it that Americans only care about themselves, whereas the rest of the world cares about everybody?

Do you have anything, at all, that would back up such a statement?

[CanadaMan]

Why is it that Americans only care about themselves, whereas the rest of the world cares about everybody?

Do you have anything, at all, that would back up such a statement?

Yes I do:

Pit, the "European" eye is of no consequence to the large part of the U.S. population that you refer to. Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them.

[BillyB]

 

Okay, then tell me precisely what you believe. Do you believe that an accused terrorist is innocent until proven guilty,

Although there is overwhelming evidence against the suspect and he will be found guilty, I continue to call him a suspect because I do believe people are innocent until proven guilty but he should be charged as a terrorist/illegal combatant.
 

they have the same Miranda rights as any other suspect

Of course he has the same Miranda rights but in this case, there is a little used exemption for public safety that always existed. This isn't something new our government crafted up last minute.
 

and that they also have the same right to be tried by judge and jury as any other accused suspect? Or, do you believe that suspected or accused terrorists should be whisked away as "enemy combattants"?

Enemy combatants that are or aren't American citizens get a fair trial according to the law of the land. It just won't be as expensive and benefits differ. If half a million American right or left wing extremists start a war within our country, it would be too expensive to give them a normal trial. No matter how deserving you think every high profile criminal/combatant/terrorist deserves a trial worth millions of dollars, it's not practical.

 

Yeah, and this is the fundamental difference of a large part of the US population that I referred to as a "peculiar trait".

Large part? I thought you were mistaken until I Googled a few polls which say anywhere from 70-75% of Americans don't trust the federal government. Amazing, we vote those people in power, then we fear them.
 
http://rt.com/usa/government-trust-americans-poll-172/

[Darth_Budda]

I think most here, most Americans, most Canadians, most Europeans would agree with your statements above.

However the opposite is not true. The "American" eye is of consequence to most Canadians and Europeans.
Most Canadians and Europeans do care about what Americans think of them.

Why is it that Americans only care about themselves, whereas the rest of the world cares about everybody?

History class or lack off...

Most Americans probably don't live up to our own stereotype....  That other countries place on us...

Some people say we are #1

But I am not sure what we are #1 at besides spending more money on stuff to blow people/countries/the world up...

We are not the top spot in education that's for sure...
The best education may be found in the US,, but most people don't have access to the best education...


So why do most Americans care only about them selves? Most don't have the luxury of education or the time to think about the rest of the world when their economic situation keeps their mind busy on their own problems.

I am not sure the world in general, is very caring about the other parts of the world other than their own.

Every one is chasing greed I think...

[Faux Pas]

Yes I do:

I didn't think so. Thanks for playing

[CanadaMan]

I didn't think so. Thanks for playing

Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them.

What part of your above statement do you not understand? 

Americans?
in general?
couldn't give one wit?

[ML]

Why is it that Americans only care about themselves, whereas the rest of the world cares about everybody?

As to your second part; I doubt that is a true statement.
Perhaps more correct to say . . . the rest of the world 'thinks' more about other countries than do Americans.
And they probably talk more about Americans than Americans talk about others.
Probably for same reasons that black persons talk a lot (with other blacks; I have been told this by a few blacks) about white people; whereas white people rarely talk about blacks.

As to your first part:  America is a very large and diverse country both economically, geographic diversity wise, etc. (yes, I know Russia is bigger in physical size and China has more population).

There is plenty to do right within USA that many do not ever go abroad or even think about going abroad.  We don't have to interact with others in other countries, whereas this is hard to avoid doing  (even if wanted) in say Europe. 

There is no need to learn any foreign language; which cannot be said for  many other countries.  Were it not for necessity, persons in other countries would likewise learn no other languages.  Europeans, Asians and others learn English because it is rather necessary; not because they are in any way superior in intellect, cultural or other such dimension.

We are no less good and not better people than those in any other country of the world.

What America does affects persons in many other countries; so yes, they think about us.

What many countries of the world does, does not affect Americans one whit (OK, maybe a tiny whit); so yes, we do not think of them.

If the average American were to be born and raised in another country, and an average person from that other country were to be born and raised in America . . . both would act like average persons in their respective countries.

We act the way we do because it is how our situation places us; just as persons from other countries act because of how their situation places them.  GET OVER IT  !!   

[LiveFromUkraine]

What part of your above statement do you not understand? 

Americans?
in general?
couldn't give one wit?

Not caring about what others think of you isn't the same thing as only caring for oneself.  I thought it was painfully obvious.

[Faux Pas]

Not caring about what others think of you isn't the same thing as only caring for oneself.  I thought it was painfully obvious.

Thank you LFU.  Obviously Canadaman has some reading comprehension issues to sort out.

[SANDRO43]

i live in a area were a lot of people smuggle goods to and from Canada...Like drugs and cheese...

Are there 'Pied-De-Vent' pushers in the dark alleys of your area ? And peddlers of 'Dragon's Breath Blue', are they more successful in the business owing to its exotic name, conjuring up visions of smoky Oriental opium dens ?

[Darth_Budda]

Are there 'Pied-De-Vent' pushers in the dark alleys of your area ? And peddlers of 'Dragon's Breath Blue', are they more successful in the business owing to its exotic name, conjuring up visions of smoky Oriental opium dens ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/28/cheese-smuggling-ring-canada_n_1923913.html

[TomT]

The press has done a great job of making a list of lessons learned for the next guy(s).
I don't advise anyone to start a list, however.

[pitbull]

Nah. Not really. A bit on the chubby side. 

I dunno - this is as pretty as it gets in my book 

[CanadaMan]

Not caring about what others think of you isn't the same thing as only caring for oneself.  I thought it was painfully obvious.

True but they are definitely closely related. 
Could we agree that the U.S. is an insular society?

[LiveFromUkraine]

True but they are definitely closely related.
 

I cannot agree.   You wouldn't see strangers helping other strangers in Boston if people only cared about themselves. 

Could we agree that the U.S. is an insular society?

I would say more insular than other countries. 


Culture wise, the fact that we work more than most countries have something to do with that. Two weeks of vacation doesn't give many options on where to go. 


America has an abundance of different climates within our country. While you Canadians need to to go another country in order to enjoy warm beaches, in winter, we don't.

That means less people go to other countries and get to experience different cultures. 

Now let me ask you a question.  Why do you care who worries about what? 

I could care less if Canadians care about what happens in America.  I could care less if Europeans care about America. 

Seeing any type of event that causes pain to innocent people will have people empathetic to those that suffer... 

What exactly do you want American's to do when something bad happens in another country? 


 

[GQBlues]

...The SUV I mentioned is not the carjacked SUV driven by the brothers but the Watertown Police SUV used as a barricade in the firefight.  To be precise I should have said a hundred rounds were fired....

That's even worst as I didn't a know there's a type of hand gun that fires a 'hundred' rounds. Unless of course they also stole a few boxes of rounds that happens to be in the passenger seat for reloading when they killed that cop, eh?

...You are so correct.   Clearly, the firefight and photos were staged.   The staging had to be done at night to conceal the fact that the shooters were actors.  As part of this staged cover up, the government conspirators carted in the body of the older brother (who had been killed earlier in the day by the government conspirators)  and planted it for the EMT personnel to whisk away to the hospital. 
 
You really must applaud the cleverness of the government in making so many of us (other than the few here at RWD) believe the story.   They even used live ammo and almost killed a policeman to make the story more plausible....

I see you also agree that silly photo was inconclusive. I thought you would...
 

...I am still confused about the conspirators' reasoning for allowing the younger brother to survive.   I suppose Jack Ruby will somehow get into the hospital and kill Dzhokhar soon before the truth starts to leak out....

When void of any indisputable fact, fiction takes the place headed by Jack.

...Some of you Monday morning armchair investigators need to get a grip.

Airball...

[GQBlues]

...He was found guilty. The plaintiffs attorneys in the civilian trial were much more competent that the government's prosecutors in the criminal trial...

Really?! The version of the OJ trial I know acquitted him.   

...What exactly do you want American's to do when something bad happens in another country?...

You mean beyond being the most charitable citizens (& NGOs) on earth? Gee...do they need to be much more than that?

[GQBlues]

I dunno - this is as pretty as it gets in my book 

She's OK pit...but she wouldn't be on top my list to ask for the prom...I'd say a girl Tuesday - tops.

[GQBlues]

So when all is said and done, those of you who kept saying the brothers are definitely guilty because of 'evidences' shown/given - why is it none of you can give us that indisputable evidence clearly showing - beyond any shadow of doubt - that they laid down the backpack that exploded on Boyston?

That's been asked in this thread ad nauseum, yet no one can even come up with this very elusive proof.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I agree for reports that come immediately after a sensational event.     However, after a few days the media tends to piece together a reasonable story.  Carrying the most weight are the findings of the  law enforcement investigation,  and it takes longer than a few days to complete.  We are in the early stages of that process now.   As an example, the police are still determining if Dzhokhar fired a weapon when in the boat.
 
 
Video!   For a timer?   
 
Perhaps you are being sarcastic.  However, you raise an important point.  Without this video, possibly some liberal hearted members of a jury may simply look at the innocent looking face of teenager Dzhokhar and doubt his guilt.    If we had a video of OJ Simpson plunging a knife into his wife, perhaps the black jurists would have found him guilty. 
 
 
Another who wants a video of the brothers detonating the bombs.

See that is the problem.  Some of the people who are saying he is guilty don't even know all the facts of the case.

Like for instance, the bombs were detonated with a remote trigger.  Not a timer.  If you didn't know that, what else don't you know?

[pitbull]

She's OK pit...but she wouldn't be on top my list to ask for the prom...I'd say a girl Tuesday - tops.

OK, your wife is prettier, what can I say 

[pitbull]

So when all is said and done, those of you who kept saying the brothers are definitely guilty because of 'evidences' shown/given - why is it none of you can give us that indisputable evidence clearly showing - beyond any shadow of doubt - that they laid down the backpack that exploded on Boyston?

That's been asked in this thread ad nauseum, yet no one can even come up with this very elusive proof.

Hmmm... The 19 y.o. acknowledged that he and his brother did it? I know, you'll ask him if he can prove it beyond any shadow of doubt, right? 
 

[LiveFromUkraine]

Hmmm... The 19 y.o. acknowledged that he and his brother did it? I know, you'll ask him if he can prove it beyond any shadow of doubt, right? 

You talking about while he was in the hospital where he barely survived a gun shot wound just a day or two ago?  I am sure he wasn't on any drugs that would interfere with his cognitive skills.