Boston marathon bombers are Chechens?

[BillyB]

I'm hearing reports that the boat was in fact hit many times so my info yesterday was incorrect about the boat not being hit.

The owner of the boat confirmed his boat was hit and doesn't want donations for a new boat. He prefers donations sent to the victims of the bombing.

[Muzh]

It turns out Dagestan was un-armed at the time of the shootings. - Washington Post

[TomT]

If you would like to get to the heart of this very serious matter,  you should speak to some of the bombing victims with amputated limbs.  Or maybe the parents of the three killed by the bombs.   Seeing gore firsthand and smelling the blood will change many an idealistic or cavalier attitude.

We are running a special on red herring today: all you can eat for those who think that the Boston police did a fine job.

[ML]

The fact that news organizations have presented a continuing change of information does not translate into a government cover-up.

[ML]

Why is it that Americans in general couldn't give one wit what the Europeans think of them, whereas the Europeans and the rest of the world gives a wit what everybody thinks of them? Why the difference?

Perhaps the rest of the world 'thinks' more about other countries than do Americans; but that's not quite same thing as caring about what others think of them.
And they probably talk more about Americans than Americans talk about others.
Probably for same reasons that black persons talk a lot (with other blacks; I have been told this by a few blacks) about white people; whereas white people rarely talk about blacks.

America is a very large and diverse country both economically, geographic diversity wise, etc. (yes, I know Russia is bigger in physical size and China has more population).

There is plenty to do right within USA that many do not ever go abroad or even think about going abroad.  We don't have to interact with others in other countries, whereas this is hard to avoid doing  (even if wanted) in say Europe. 

There is no need to learn any foreign language; which cannot be said for  many other countries.  Were it not for necessity, persons in other countries would likewise learn no other languages.  Europeans, Asians and others learn English because it is rather necessary; not because they are in any way superior in intellect, cultural or other such dimension.

We are no less good and not better people than those in any other country of the world.

What America does affects persons in many other countries; so yes, they think about us.

What many countries of the world does, does not affect Americans one whit (OK, maybe a tiny whit); so yes, we do not think of them.

America sneezes and some other areas catch a cold.  Another country catches a cold and it doesn't affect America at all.

If the average American were to be born and raised in another country, and an average person from that other country were to be born and raised in America . . . both would act like average persons in their respective countries.

We act the way we do because it is how our situation places us; just as persons from other countries act because of how their situation places them.  GET OVER IT  !!   

[TomT]

The fact that news organizations have presented a continuing change of information does not translate into a government cover-up.

The media was consistent in reporting that Boston Police Commissioner, Edward Davis, stated that shots were fired from inside the boat. This suggests that killing both of the suspects was a top-down decision from at least as high up as the commissioner, foiled only by the arrival of the FBI, in the case of Dzhokhar.

[BillyB]

We are running a special on red herring today: all you can eat for those who think that the Boston police did a fine job.

How much? I'm buying for everybody. Bottom line is the two guys were caught, dead and alive. I'm just disappointed with what happened next. The interrogation was cut short buy our government.

[CanadaMan]

What does the shootout represents really? ...
 Or is it the shootout when the cops started firing at the SUV because they assailed the two were tossing bombs at them. That shootout?
 

Have you seen the photo of Tamerlan aiming an automatic at the cops from behind the SUV?

[CanadaMan]

 

And they probably talk more about Americans than Americans talk about others.
Probably for same reasons that black persons talk a lot (with other blacks; I have been told this by a few blacks) about white people; whereas white people rarely talk about blacks.
 
As to your first part:  America is a very large and diverse country both economically, geographic diversity wise, etc. (yes, I know Russia is bigger in physical size and China has more population).
 
There is plenty to do right within USA that many do not ever go abroad or even think about going abroad.  We don't have to interact with others in other countries, whereas this is hard to avoid doing  (even if wanted) in say Europe. 
 
There is no need to learn any foreign language; which cannot be said for  many other countries.  Were it not for necessity, persons in other countries would likewise learn no other languages.  Europeans, Asians and others learn English because it is rather necessary; not because they are in any way superior in intellect, cultural or other such dimension.
 
We are no less good and not better people than those in any other country of the world.
 
What America does affects persons in many other countries; so yes, they think about us.
 
What many countries of the world does, does not affect Americans one whit (OK, maybe a tiny whit); so yes, we do not think of them.
 
If the average American were to be born and raised in another country, and an average person from that other country were to be born and raised in America . . . both would act like average persons in their respective countries.
 
We act the way we do because it is how our situation places us; just as persons from other countries act because of how their situation places them.  GET OVER IT  !!   

 
 

And they probably talk more about Americans than Americans talk about others.
Probably for same reasons that black persons talk a lot (with other blacks; I have been told this by a few blacks) about white people; whereas white people rarely talk about blacks.
 
America is a very large and diverse country both economically, geographic diversity wise, etc. (yes, I know Russia is bigger in physical size and China has more population).
 
There is plenty to do right within USA that many do not ever go abroad or even think about going abroad.  We don't have to interact with others in other countries, whereas this is hard to avoid doing  (even if wanted) in say Europe. 
 
There is no need to learn any foreign language; which cannot be said for  many other countries.  Were it not for necessity, persons in other countries would likewise learn no other languages.  Europeans, Asians and others learn English because it is rather necessary; not because they are in any way superior in intellect, cultural or other such dimension.
 
We are no less good and not better people than those in any other country of the world.
 
What America does affects persons in many other countries; so yes, they think about us.
 
What many countries of the world does, does not affect Americans one whit (OK, maybe a tiny whit); so yes, we do not think of them.
 
America sneezes and some other areas catch a cold.  Another country catches a cold and it doesn't affect America at all.
 
If the average American were to be born and raised in another country, and an average person from that other country were to be born and raised in America . . . both would act like average persons in their respective countries.
 
We act the way we do because it is how our situation places us; just as persons from other countries act because of how their situation places them.  GET OVER IT  !!   

ML why did you feel compelled to post an almost identical (verbatim) verbose post two days in a row?
 
We understood what you were saying the first time.
 
And what exactly was the significance of the GET OVER IT !!         at the very end?
I can’t  ‘get over it’  if I don’t understand what it means.   
 
 

[Darth_Budda]

I think he is saying their is no use trying to change anything...

Giving up on creating a better society... Content with the slow downward spiral of society....

I hear that a lot from people... Things are just so complex it hard to know what to do next...

It's sad really...
But as the world grows ever more connected. It will be harder and harder to ignore the global community
with the ever increasing income inequality and environmental damage caused by UN-responsible capitalism and industrialization of every last resource know to man in the quest for the newest I pad...   

err something....

[Darth_Budda]

http://rt.com/news/boston-bombing-suspect-silent-399/

The 19-year-old Tsarnaev, who is recovering in a Boston hospital from a gunshot wound, was questioned by police for 16 hours before he went silent after a magistrate judge and a representative from the US Attorney's office read him his constitutional rights, AP reported, citing two anonymous officials.


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What do you guys think?

I bet the FBI could of read him his right...

Does this perhaps indicate some friction between two different agency?

or does it show that the FBI may of been acting independent to the point another agency had to be called to physically take control of the suspect... 

Why didn't they just call the FBI and tell them what to do... 

[BillyB]

What do you guys think?

I bet the FBI could of read him his right...

Does this perhaps indicate some friction between two different agency?

or does it show that the FBI may of been acting independent to the point another agency had to be called to physically take control of the suspect... 

Why didn't they just call the FBI and tell them what to do...

FBI knew the suspect's Miranda rights were not given due to the public safety exemption. Their job is interrogation. They had 48 hrs to get their job done before the exemption expires. The justice department was directed by Obama to read the suspect his Miranda rights which led the suspect to go silent. FBI agents were upset because they felt the suspect had more info to offer. If more people die because of a related bombing that could've been stopped, don't blame the FBI, blame Obama.

[TomT]

Bottom line is the two guys were caught, dead and alive.

No. The bottom line is that the only suspect who might have had some useful information is dead.

[GQBlues]

GQ, it's apparent you've never done jury duty and maybe weaseled out of it when your turn came up.

The only weasel I know around here is you. Considering you thought OJ was found guilty tells me you don't know Gator's Jack. So you can take your noise and BS someone else. You're simply too dense.

...You have no idea what is and isn't allowed as evidence in a court and how witnesses play a part in convictions. Contrary to your beliefs, 12 jurors do not have to be present at the crime scene exactly when it happened to convict a person.

Who the heck said anything about a 'jury'?!?

[GQBlues]

....IMO, such is a shallow comment given what Katherine is going through.  It reminds me of  men who place physical beauty at the top of their list for judging the value of women. 
 
Maybe I am sympathetic to all that is happening to her.   Nevertheless, it was her choice to marry Tamerlan.  BTW, I could not ascertain Katherine's plumpness because of her Muslim garb.  She has a 3-yo, works long hours, and has been abused, so maybe she weighs more than 125 lbs.  It is not important.  What is important is full disclosure of what she knew about Tamerlan.

Considering you're obese, yes, compared to you - she's slim. Must reek, too considering you're nothing but a bag of saggy dying cells.

There, feel better now?   

[BillyB]

The bottom line is that the only suspect who might have had some useful information is dead.

When the cops were chasing the suspects, their primary goal was to stop them from causing further harm. The cops achieved that goal. Nobody had to die if the suspects surrendered peacefully. People who are innocent do that. The FBI learned during interrogation of the surviving suspect that he and his brother were going to use the rest of the bombs in NY.


You criticize the cops but the bottom line is they save lives by catching the suspects. You can't expect perfection from the cops or anybody for that matter in a chaotic and extremely dangerous situation but they deserve a "Thank you" for putting themselves in harms way for your safety. Agree?...or are you still thinking our government/cops plotted the marathon bombings?

The only weasel I know around here is you. Considering you thought OJ was found guilty tells me you don't know Gator's Jack. So you can take your noise and BS someone else. You're simply too dense.

Google can help you with the answers on the OJ trial in civil court if you don't want to take my word for it. When I start to lose a debate, I'll use the tactic of calling people names too. Seems to work since you conspiracy theorists know how to put a guy down to make yourselves look good. I've been called a weasel, stupid, sheep, etc.... in this thread alone. You guys are on a roll.

[GQBlues]

 
GQ:   the recorded video was showing a whole lot of ammunition being fired...
 
GQ:  If they shot the cop and took his gun and used it during their alleged gun battle, why not investigate the spent shells or stray bullets for ballistic to find out it was in fact the gun the dead cop had?
 
Gator:   Did you see the bullet riddled police SUV?  It appears a thousand rounds were fired by both sides.  It will take a long time to analyze. ...

A long time to analyze? LOL. According to the report, the suspects were armed and as it turned out, they only retrieved a 9 mm Ruger. They allegedly killed a cop by shooting him multiple times. To change the status of anyone as a murder 'suspect', you get the bullet/s that killed the MIT policeman and find out if they came from the same 9mm you just got from the person you just snuffed. Then you can either conclude if they did in fact were the cop killer or not. That would be the proper protocol, no?

You see how easy that was? Have you read any report regarding this?

...Gator:  To be precise I should have said a hundred rounds were fired.

[Next comes your great leap in logic and reasoning]

YUP. Here it is....according to witnesses, they estimated the number of gunshots at around 75% of your 'precise' accounting...they were there and your fat butt is in Florida.

...GQ:  even Gator thinks he's guilty because apparently there's a handgun that fires a hundred rounds.
 
Gator:  Sometimes you behave as a child.   The news accounts I read said there were two assailants and six policemen in a serious shootout.  That is 8 weapons.  It would not take long to fire 100 rounds.  But you want ballistics reports the next day.

Who said the next day? You've been hanging out with BillyB?
 

...Yes, your "leaps" remind me of some talks with my sons when they were Pre-K.  My sons believed what they said.  Do you?   Or do you just like to use distortion to divert a discussion not going exactly your way?

Here's some dandy distortion for you....

Business Insider: http://au.businessinsider.com/why-boston-suspects-killed-mit-officer-2013-4


Investigators believe that the suspected Boston bombers killed MIT police officer Sean A. Collier on the night of April 18 in a failed attempt to steal his gun, The New York Times reports.
 
Police told the Times that surveillance video shows a pair of men, believed to be Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, approaching Collier’s squad car from behind at about 10:30 p.m. and shooting him to death before attempting to take his gun.
“He had a triple-lock holster, and they could not figure it out,” a law enforcement official told the Times. “There is evidence at the scene to suggest that they were going for his gun.”

Tamerlan, 26, then carjacked a parked Mercedes-Benz sport utility vehicle, picked up Dzhokhar, 19, went to a Shell gas station (where the carjacking victim fled). The brothers drove into Watertown, Mass., where they “threw at least two small improvised explosive devices” once police located them, according to an affidavit filed Monday.

Tamerlan died in the subsequent gunfight, and a source told ABC that a Ruger 9mm semi-automatic handgun — with the serial number obliterated — was recovered from the scene...."

Dzhokhar fled and a day-long manhunt ensued, ending when authorities found the unarmed suspect cowering inside a local man’s boat before opening fire and arresting him. From The Washington Post:

In the immediate aftermath of Tsarnaev’s capture, police officials said he had fired from the boat and he was reported to have been captured with several weapons. There were also reports that the gunshot wound he suffered to the throat might have been an attempt to kill himself as police moved in.

Officials did not the initially explain why they fired at the boat, although one offered that the “the fog of war” may have played into it. Dzhokhar was in critical condition with multiple gunshot wounds after his capture.
FBI spokesman Paul Bresson told the Post that it was “a tremendously effective outcome under dire circumstances.”"

*Fog of war*? What the heck, they knew he was in there. The they started firing pointlessly.


USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/18/mit-shooting-cop-massachusetts/2095733/


"BOSTON -- One of the suspects wanted in Monday's Boston Marathon bombing was shot and killed by police while a second suspect was at large and being pursued, the head of the Massachusetts State Police said early Friday.

Colonel Timothy P. Alben, Superintendent of the Massachusetts State Police said the first suspect from Monday's bombing was shot by police in a gunfight following a pursuit that began Thursday night in Cambridge and ended a short time later in nearby Watertown. He said that suspect died at a hospital.
Alben said the second suspect, seen in photographs distributed by the FBI as wearing a white cap, is still at large. He said people should be on the lookout and that officials consider him a suspect.

"He is dressed in a gray hooded type sweat shirt. He is a light-skinned or Caucasian male with longer brown curly hair,'' Alben said.
Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis told reporters the man they are seeking is armed and dangerous. A campus police officer at Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge was shot and killed, and a  transit police officer was critically wounded in the pursuit of the suspects.

"We believe this to be a terrorist. We believe this is a man who came here to kill people. We need to get him in custody,' Davis said. Police did not provide the suspects' names.

Alben said the suspect who died matched the description of the suspect in the marathon bombing case who was shown wearing a black hat in photographs distributed earlier Thursday by the FBI. Alben said the suspect was struck during the firefight and also run over by a car.

He was pronounced dead at Beth Israel Deaconness Medical Center. Doctors there said the suspect was in cardiac arrest when he arrived, with multiple gunshot wounds and trauma on his trunk from an explosion.

The second suspect fled from the car on foot, Alben said. Police are searching the neighborhood for him and have condoned off a 20-block perimeter in Watertown, he said. He urged residents to remain indoors with their doors locked and not to open their doors to anyone but a uniformed police officer, he said. Motorists should not stop for anyone, he said. The manhunt for the marathon bombing suspects turned to hot pursuit at 10:30 p.m., when the two men robbed a 7-11 convenience store on the MIT campus in Cambridge, Alben said. A few minutes later, police found an MiT campus police officer shot multiple times in his car, Alben said. The police officer died of his injuries at Massachusetts General Hospital.

The suspects then car-jacked a Mercedes SUV, Alben said. Police found the car and the suspects in Watertown, and pursued them into a residential neighborhood where gunfire was exchanged.

Witnesses report hearing between 15 and 50 shots.

Alben said the suspects also threw explosives from the car. Residents, witnesses and media in the area heard at least two large booms.

The Middlesex district attorney's office said in a statement that police responded to reports of an armed carjacking by two males who held a victim at gunpoint for half an hour before being released uninjured.

Police could be seen with guns drawn one one man face down on a paved street. CNN later reported that man was released by police.

The events unfolded overnight as the entire Boston metro area was on high alert following Monday's fatal bomb explosions during the Boston Marathon and as the FBI was leading a massive manhunt for suspects. The developments came on a day when the FBI issued photographs of two men that it said it is seeking and were seen in surveillance video carrying backpacks in the marathon race crowd on Monday before the twin explosions.

"I heard sirens, then a ton of gunshots.,'' said Adam Healy, 31, a behavioral specialist for autism who lives less than a mile from the scene. "And then I heard an explosion amid the gunshots. After the explosion, the sky lit up. "

Dan MacDonald, 40, sitting in a second story Watertown apartment, said he first heard sirens, then gunshots. "It was about 10 to 15 shots. then there was an onslaught," he said. "There were 25 to 60 shots within 45 seconds. Then the shots stopped and boom. It was like dynamite."...


Examiner: http://www.examiner.com/article/boston-bombing-suspect-may-have-run-over-dragged-and-killed-his-brother


"... Teenage Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who was captured in a backyard boat Friday night, may have killed his own brother by running him down with an SUV, CNN reported April 20.

And what appears to be a leaked photo of the dead bombing suspect seems to support the idea. However, the older brother also had extensive injuries, including penetrating wounds, all over his body.

In an interview on Saturday with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Watertown, Mass., Police Chief Edward Deveau offered new details about the moments leading up to the death of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and it appears he may have been killed by his younger brother.

A lone police officer encountered the two bombing suspects around 1 a.m. Friday morning on a dark residential street in Watertown. Each of the brothers was driving a car, one of which was a Mercedes sport utility vehicle that the brothers had carjacked earlier, Deveau told Blitzer.

The two cars stopped and bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev jumped out of the vehicles before the officer was able to call for backup, and they immediately began firing at the officer, who was still in his police car.

The officer backed up his car and five other officers quickly arrived on the scene, amidst a big shootout.
The brothers also tossed several bombs at the officers, some of which exploded, including one made out of a pressure cooker — just like the ones at the Boston Marathon bombings.

Then, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older bombing suspect, started walking down the middle of the street toward the officers, while firing his weapon until he ran out of ammunition.

A police officer tackled Tamerlan Tsarnaev and took him to the ground.
As several officers attempted to get Tamerlan Tsarnaev handcuffed, they realized that an SUV driven by Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was racing down the street right at them.
The officers jumped out of the way but it was too late for Tamerlan Tsarnaev, and he was struck by the SUV.


Dzhokhar Tsarnaev “drives over his brother and drags him a short distance down the street,” Chief Deveau said. Amidst continuing gunfire, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev drove off, got several streets away, jumped out of the SUV and disappeared into the darkness.

As it turns out, an injured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was found later Friday in a boat being stored in a nearby resident’s backyard.


Photos of Tamerlan Tsarnaev dead in the hospital have apparently been leaked. The images appear to be consistent with being run over by a vehicle, with significant bruising and trauma to his face, neck and head.


Ta-da!The whole thing smells as bad as you...

Well, almost so you better do something about that.
   

[TomT]

When the cops were chasing the suspects, their primary goal was to stop them from causing further harm. The cops achieved that goal. Nobody had to die if the suspects surrendered peacefully. People who are innocent do that. The FBI learned during interrogation of the surviving suspect that he and his brother were going to use the rest of the bombs in NY.

The Watertown Police failed to disable the getaway vehicle and they let Dzhokhar give them the slip. It was luck, not fine police work, that no one else was hurt, either by other explosions or by the flatfoot's inaccurate gunfire. 


The Tsarnaev brothers' plans in NYC were irrelevant. That was not useful information.
Information about the possible involvement of Chechen terrorist groups would have been useful information.
[Please read that several times because it isn't sinking into your head.]

...or are you still thinking our government/cops plotted the marathon bombings?

You can't even keep it straight who is a conspiracy theorist and who isn't.

[GQBlues]

...Google can help you with the answers on the OJ trial in civil court if you don't want to take my word for it.

Oh now you're going to weasel out of it and say you meant the civil case, eh? What a toosie!

You're not even man enough to admit you f*cked up and try instead to weasel out of it.

...When I start to lose a debate, I'll use the tactic of calling people names too. Seems to work since you conspiracy theorists know how to put a guy down to make yourselves look good. I've been called a weasel, stupid, sheep, etc.... in this thread alone. You guys are on a roll.

I don't need to call you names really but it fits you so well it almost comes naturally. Dude, you're much too dense for me to continue with.

[TomT]

The images appear to be consistent with being run over by a vehicle, with significant bruising and trauma to his face, neck and head.

A previous story didn't mention the trauma by vehicle. Given all of the conflicting reporting, it's no surprise.

[GQBlues]

A previous story didn't mention the trauma by vehicle. Given all of the conflicting reporting, it's no surprise.

No please TomT, don't confuse these facts anymore than they already are. The guy died of multiple bullet wounds...

No, no...he died of being run over by his brother...

No, no...wait a minute, he died of a gaping hole from his chest to his back...yeah, that's it...

Actually, no....he died of the pressure cooker bomb he was throwing against the police while he attacked them and the bullets flying right at him and through him...

Ahh heck...the truth is, he was seen yesterday hanging out with Elvis.

[GQBlues]

Does anyone know what a police flashbomb is?

[TomT]

I'm raising my hand...

[BillyB]

Oh now you're going to weasel out of it and say you meant the civil case, eh? What a toosie!

You're not even man enough to admit you f*cked up and try instead to weasel out of it.

You need to go back and reread. The first time I told you OJ was guilty I said a few other things that even a dummy could tell I wasn't referring to the criminal case.


GQ, since you've never served on a jury, let me tell you how it works. As a juror you and a bunch of other jurors may get selected for a particular case. You all go in the courtroom and answer questions from both opposing attorneys. They get rid of those who have biases, can't convict anyone, assume everyone is guilty, and the wackos. Only 12 people get picked with one or two alternates on standby. It may surprise you but every time I was on jury duty, I became a juror. The court deemed me as level headed and fair. Every forum I participated on asked me to be a moderator. It may hurt you to hear this but it's because I'm level headed and fair.


You would never get picked as a juror. You can't accept reasonable evidence and don't live in reality as you always believe there is a grander scheme at play. If for some reason you do get picked, you will quickly get kicked off the jury by your own peers as they will notify the judge that you believe the government should be on trial, not the suspect. You are so critical of the evidence to convict the suspect you fail to present any reasonable evidence to show the government did the bombings.


You, TomT, LivefromUkraine, and a few others are careful how you post because you know if you're labeled as a conspiracy theorists, you will be viewed as crazy. People see right through your posts. You guys are conspiracy theorists. You can't accept reality even if it's right in front of your face and to justify your beliefs you have to label me and others as mindless sheep who follows the government and believes everything they say. Lucky you're debating me because you'll always win a debate against a mindless sheep.

[TomT]

... you have to label me and others as mindless sheep who follows the government and believes everything they say...

I have never referred to you as a sheep.