Boston marathon bombers are Chechens?

[GQBlues]

...NOISE FILTERED...

Dude...you're such a dufus, man. Even funnier when I peek your avatar at the same time. Were you trying the Conan, the Barbarian pose? I think you need a little more hair than that, no? It looks a lot like like Johan, the Lesbian...

A civil case when the discussion was about a criminal case. What a croc! It isn't a debate BillyB when you can't even man-up to your own posts...LOL!

[BillyB]

I have never referred to you as a sheep.

You and your team of experts can call me whatever you want. The insults will help my reputation. The last thing I want are compliments from conspiracy theorists. People might start to think I'm crazy.

[LiveFromUkraine]

You, TomT, LivefromUkraine, and a few others are careful how you post because you know if you're labeled as a conspiracy theorists, you will be viewed as crazy. People see right through your posts. You guys are conspiracy theorists. You can't accept reality even if it's right in front of your face and to justify your beliefs you have to label me and others as mindless sheep who follows the government and believes everything they say. Lucky you're debating me because you'll always win a debate against a mindless sheep.

Dude, stop hitting the booze.  I am not being careful about how I post.  I post what I want to post.  You think I care what you label me?  That just shows how delusional you are.


Us "conspiracy nut jobs" think the suspects deserve every right we all have under the constitution.  You know, stuff like "Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law."  Call us old fashioned...


You, on the other hand, think the suspects should be taken out back and tortured interrogated without any rights.    Yes, you are sheep.  Sheep will be happy for their fellow sheep to go to slaughter as long as it isn't them. 


People see through your posts because there is little substance.  You are already starting to blame Obama because he didn't torture a kid laid up in the hospital.

[LiveFromUkraine]

You and your team of experts can call me whatever you want. The insults will help my reputation. The last thing I want are compliments from conspiracy theorists. People might start to think I'm crazy.

haha  Oh, I don't think you need to worry about your rep anymore.   Your actions have already shown you to be crazy. 

[GQBlues]

Interesting.

So there is a video...


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/napolitano-fbi-wants-to-talk-to-persons-in-boston-bombing-video.php



...The bombs were crudely fashioned from ordinary kitchen pressure cookers packed with explosives, nails and ball bearings, investigators and others close to the case said. Investigators suspect the devices were then hidden in black duffel bags and left on the ground.

As a result, they were looking for images of someone lugging a dark, heavy bag. Investigators had appealed to the public to provide videos and photographs from the race finish line.

One department store video “has confirmed that a suspect is seen dropping a bag near the point of the second explosion and heading off,” Murphy said. He said he was briefed by Boston police.

Several media outlets reported that a suspect had been identified from surveillance video taken at a Lord & Taylor department store between the sites of the bomb blasts....

[Cameraguy]

The last thing I want are compliments from conspiracy theorists. People might start to think I'm crazy.

Hi Billy, do you really think "conspiracy" equates to "crazy?"

I've mentioned Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods several times in this thread. Both are extremely well-documented, historical and very real government false flag terrorism operations. Gladio (European NATO) lasted over a decade and as I've repeatedly said, Northwoods in the 1960s (nearly identical to 9/11) was approved by the Chairman and every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Have you spent even five minutes looking into any of this just to see how "crazy" I am? All it would take is one less RWD response.

Or do you refuse to investigate or consider anything that doesn't conform to your worldview?

[Darth_Budda]

You, on the other hand, think the suspects should be taken out back and tortured interrogated without any rights.   

People who want to torture are no better than the Taliban...

It really is a insecurity that makes them act that way...

Maybe be they are afraid...
Maybe just spineless...


I am not a truther,,,
I just want proof.. Is that to much to ask for?


I think we all remember what happen the last time we let fear control us...
We ran after yellow cake and invaded a country...

The Civilian death toll from the last 10 years is far grater than the deaths of 9/11
And the cost draining the economy...

Go on,,, Say mission accomplished...


The truth is...
if god is not gonna save innocent children in Iraq and Afghanistan..
He sure as hell, is not gonna protect your children...
So stop praying and stop supporting the Terrorism our country creates.
By demanding the truth and accepting nothing less..

[TomT]

You and your team of experts can call me whatever you want. The insults will help my reputation. The last thing I want are compliments from conspiracy theorists. People might start to think I'm crazy.

Stating that I have never referred to you as a sheep wasn't a compliment, Billy.

[BillyB]

I am not being careful about how I post.  I post what I want to post. 

That is true and that is related to the reason you were once banned. If I remember correctly, you were complaining your free speech rights were violated because you weren't allowed to post what you wanted to post. How did you come back? New IP address allowed you to sign up here?

Us "conspiracy nut jobs" think the suspects deserve every right we all have under the constitution.  You know, stuff like "Innocent Until Proven Guilty in a Court of Law."  Call us old fashioned...

Who in this thread said a person is guilty until proven innocent? For people who demand hard evidence for convicting suspects, you conspiracy theorists give plenty of hints in your posts that the government is guilty...without evidence of course.

Hi Billy, do you really think "conspiracy" equates to "crazy?"

No, but being obsessed with conspiracy theories make a person crazy. When every major event happens, those obsessed are focused on the wrong guys as evident in this thread demanding hard evidence for the suspect to convict him but needing no evidence to convict our government. Those obsessed also believe they live in a terrible world and don't function as well when distrusting government, their employers, and most people around them.

I've mentioned Operation Gladio and Operation Northwoods several times in this thread. Both are extremely well-documented, historical and very real government false flag terrorism operations.

I read about Northwoods a long time ago when we debated. I believe conspiracies happen but I don't give much thought to them because when it comes to survival, the gap between good and bad closes and if America didn't stop the spread of Communism, we wouldn't have any friends left and then we would go the way of our friends.


I'm sure lots of conspiracies happened by various governments during the cold war. Compared to taking land by force from Indians and Mexico, conspiracies are small potatoes. The world as you live in is what it is. I certainly don't regret America being the way it is now so I can't completely regret how America got here. Life goes on and I believe it went on for the better.


People think our government is going to bring our country down. Truth is our government is a very close reflection of the people it governs and it will be the people that bring this country down, not the government. We won't bring it down because we're strong, aggressive, or violent but because we are weak, timid and kind. Read the history books. People get soft and soft is not what is needed to survive in the animal world or in our world.


We had 48 hrs by law to interrogate the suspect for the public's safety but the people worried about the suspects rights so much they pressured our president to end the interrogation after 16 hrs. That's one example of what the people are doing to our government. Our government will function more and more on what's popular even when it may not be the right thing to do. These days doing what's popular gets votes, maybe not your vote but votes from many.

[LiveFromUkraine]

That is true and that is related to the reason you were once banned. If I remember correctly, you were complaining your free speech rights were violated because you weren't allowed to post what you wanted to post. How did you come back? New IP address allowed you to sign up here?

Do you get tired of being an idiot or is this something you were born to be?

Billy, let's start your education.  How about you prove that I was banned and it was about me crying about freedom of speech.   Once you are unable to do that, you will then learn why we have certain rights under the law.  Otherwise, any simpleton can make sweeping statements and get people locked up.



Now, what does this have to do with conspiracy theories and the Boston Bombing?  Please remember we are not 18 year old children here and can see through your bs. 

Who in this thread said a person is guilty until proven innocent? For people who demand hard evidence for convicting suspects, you conspiracy theorists give plenty of hints in your posts that the government is guilty...without evidence of course.

Like GQ said all noise.  You can lead sheep to water...


edited to further Billy's education.

[Cameraguy]

I read about Northwoods a long time ago when we debated. I believe conspiracies happen but I don't give much thought to them because when it comes to survival, the gap between good and bad closes and if America didn't stop the spread of Communism, we wouldn't have any friends left and then we would go the way of our friends.

So you believe it would've been acceptable for planes to be hijacked and shot down, boats carrying Cuban refugees to be sunk, waves of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C. and Miami, and innocent civilians on American streets to be assassinated, blown up and framed in order to start a war with Cuba? Fortunately, JFK nixed this outrageously corrupt plan before it became operational. Did Communism spread even though Northwoods wasn't implemented?

Do you also believe it was acceptable to have faked an attack on a U.S. warship in the Gulf of Tonkin in order to start a debilitating war that killed 50,000 U.S. troops and murdered, maimed and poisoned millions of Vietnamese civilians?

Was it acceptable to overthrow democratically-elected governments in Central and South America and install murderous dictatorships?

Was it acceptable to fabricate lies about "weapons of mass destruction" in order to invade a sovereign country and spread death, destruction, misery and depleted uranium from one end to the other?

When another incriminating Northwoods-type document surfaces in a decade or two and it becomes generally accepted that 9/11 was an inside job (the evidence is already overwhelming for anyone who cares to look), will you justify these endless, multi-trillion dollar wars by saying it was necessary to stop the spread of Muslim terrorism? I ask you, who are the real terrorists? What country was founded on genocide?

Billy, is there any amount of government deception and mass murder where the ends don't justify the means?

[Shadow]

Was it acceptable to overthrow democratically-elected governments in Central and South America and install murderous dictatorships?

Was it acceptable to fabricate lies about "weapons of mass destruction" in order to invade a sovereign country and spread death, destruction, misery and depleted uranium from one end to the other?

Add:
Is it acceptable to fake evidence of chemical weapons to overthrow the regime in Syria?

[LiveFromUkraine]

Add:
Is it acceptable to fake evidence of chemical weapons to overthrow the regime in Syria?

Interesting article on Cheney having full control over black ops.   Of course the government doesn't ever do anything bad.  It is the people who elect the government who did all of those bad things.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-power-of-dick-cheney-in-dirty-wars-2013-4

[LiveFromUkraine]

Billy, is there any amount of government deception and mass murder where the ends don't justify the means?

Billy seems to be a "end justifies the means" type of guy. 

[Cameraguy]

Interesting article on Cheney having full control over black ops.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-power-of-dick-cheney-in-dirty-wars-2013-4

No surprise. I've heard it said (by no less than Col. Robert Bowman, director of the Star Wars program under Reagan) that when investigating 9/11, all roads lead to Darth Cheney.

BTW, I've been visiting Russia since it was the Soviet Union -- from Moscow to Magadan -- and it never ceased to amaze me how I was treated with the utmost of kindness and hospitality everywhere I went. I always thought, these are the people who were our mortal enemies for half a century?

Just goes to show how much governments represent the people.

[Darth_Budda]

The people who ran the cold war may not run the intelligence arm of the government any more..
But the same type of people with the same mentality became their replacements...


Have we really stopped Communism? Ideas are hard to kill....

The Bolivar's of South America are still their...
Cuba, China, Transnistria and Vietnam..
Whats the Communist Party polling in Russia these days?

The Market Socialism of China or Vietnam is competing very well with the "Socialized Capitalism" practiced in the USA...

Socialized Capitalism = The means of production and materials are privately owned..
But the Public is responsible to pay for the losses of large private corporations and clean up the environmental mess caused by industrialization.. 


Now that China is slowly accumulating the capital of the entire world..
Whats gonna happen when they return to more socialist policies?
 

EDIT:

François Hollande,,, Not Communist but a Socialist...

[BillyB]

 

How about you prove that I was banned and it was about me crying about freedom of speech. 

Here's a couple of quick quotes of yours. Want more?
 
"I remember a not so long time ago that Manny was all about free speech.  I remember him bitching about censorship on this forum.  Not only that but I stuck my neck out for the guy here and ended up in a disagreement with the TOS and Dan which ended up in being banned."
 
"Anyway, I found a way to get back on the forum, I just had to move to Ukraine."
 

  you will then learn why we have certain rights under the law.

Under the law you don't have every right to do as you wish. If two people call each other names and the management does nothing or applies the rules unevenly and eventually the fight escalates to the point those two people get into a fight in real life with one getting injured, they can sue the forum. If the owner, Dan, provides a place of enjoyment for the public, he has to lay out rules(laws) that people must obey for that enjoyment to happen and for the safety of the public. That's his responsibility and you have a responsibility to follow those rules so your "I say what I want" tough talk may work in your home, but it doesn't work in public.
 

So you believe it would've been acceptable for planes to be hijacked and shot down, boats carrying Cuban refugees to be sunk, waves of violent terrorism to be launched in Washington, D.C. and Miami, and innocent civilians on American streets to be assassinated, blown up and framed in order to start a war with Cuba? Fortunately, JFK nixed this outrageously corrupt plan before it became operational. Did Communism spread even though Northwoods wasn't implemented?

No, I don't think that will be acceptable but why are you worried about something that never happened? Here's what Presidents do. They tell all their departments we have threats, USSR, Cuba, Korea, etc... and they want some ideas on how to counter those threats. The State department will recommend some form of diplomatic solutions maybe in the form of friendly talks or finacial aid to curb bad behavior. CIA may recommend spy activity. The military will military options. Northwoods was a recommendation by a general and JFK rejected the proposal. If I remember reading, the general views were so extreme that he was relieved of his command.
 
All through our history propoganda to achieve a means to an end has been used. In WWII our government used Uncle Sam posters, music, and other things to get Americans fired up and signing on to help Europe and Asia. I agree America needed to participate in WWII. That is good propoganda. I don't agree with Northwoods plan of killing Americans for the purpose of going to war with Cuba. Keep in mind, that idea was embraced by a few, not by our government at that time.

[LiveFromUkraine]

 
Here's a couple of quick quotes of yours. Want more?
 
"I remember a not so long time ago that Manny was all about free speech.  I remember him bitching about censorship on this forum.  Not only that but I stuck my neck out for the guy here and ended up in a disagreement with the TOS and Dan which ended up in being banned."
 
"Anyway, I found a way to get back on the forum, I just had to move to Ukraine."
 

Oh dear, I must have hit your ego well.  You tried to get some dirt on me.  I am flattered.  Yes, I want some more but I will break down some of those points to show you don't know the story based on one post.   I hope you learn that there may be more to the story than meets the eye. 


Well, I hate to break it to you, I wasn't banned at all.  I told Dan I didn't agree with the TOS and to remove my account.  I opted out and you can see that under my old user name.  Using "banned" was a poor choice of words.  I have to say I am now quite happy that I used it.  Ahem, wrong again.   


The disagreement with Dan was about what Manny did, not about what I posted.  My disagreement was about copyright law and the TOS.  So saying it was about my freedom of speech was wrong yet again.   


Since I wasn't banned, I was able to sign right back up.  Dan knew who I was and even offered me my old username but I said don't bother.  You can even see him address me by name in that post you looked up to try and dig up some dirt on me.    Guess what, you are wrong again.

I didn't need a new IP since I wasn't banned.  Wrong again.  Whew, this is getting tiresome.

Billy, you took a post and created a whole story around it without really knowing anything.  I hope you learned a lesson here. 

The other stuff you wrote isn't worth talking about since you are just creating more noise.


Now, what does this have to do with the Boston bombings?  Should I cry about unfair moderation and play victim like you do?  You stalking me man?


Cmon Billy, you need to get your testosterone checked.  You are sounding more like a little vindictive witch than a manly man.
 

[Faux Pas]

Under the law you don't have every right to do as you wish. If two people call each other names and the management does nothing or applies the rules unevenly and eventually the fight escalates to the point those two people get into a fight in real life with one getting injured, they can sue the forum. If the owner, Dan, provides a place of enjoyment for the public, he has to lay out rules(laws) that people must obey for that enjoyment to happen and for the safety of the public. That's his responsibility and you have a responsibility to follow those rules so your "I say what I want" tough talk may work in your home, but it doesn't work in public.
 

WTF?

[Cameraguy]

  I don't agree with Northwoods plan of killing Americans for the purpose of going to war with Cuba. Keep in mind, that idea was embraced by a few, not by our government at that time.

A few? Not by our government? How about every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff!

[Darth_Budda]

IS it just me or has their been a lot of industrial fires as of late...

http://rt.com/usa/explosion-refinery-detroit-tanker-520/

[BillyB]

  Using "banned" was a poor choice of words. 

A poor choice of words? Most people know if they were or weren't banned. When you came back a few years ago, you said you were banned as the reason you were gone and if that was a lie, Dan would have called you out on it. Regardless if you were lying then or lying now. In the end it's all the same.

Now, what does this have to do with the Boston bombings?
 

Now that you've been figured out as a BS artist, it's best you get on track and don't ask me to prove something about yourself again.

A few? Not by our government? How about every member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff!

Every member consists of 6 men.  They hardly represent our entire government. Most people don't even know their names then or now. How many here can name the current Chairman, Vice Chair, Army, Navy, Marine, and Air Force generals that sit on the Joint Chiefs of Staff?


Those same group of guys have more than just the Northwoods planned for Cuba as requested by JFK. Our current Joint Chiefs of Staff have multiple plans designed to handle Iran, North Korea, Syria, Venezuela, etc... Obama is President and he has the right to act on those military plans or adopt something the State Department or CIA recommend.


Speaking of CIA, although JFK didn't adopt Operation Northwoods, he previously adopted the CIA's plan Operation Mongoose which is know better as the Bay of Pigs.


Why is a proposed plan by our military 50 years ago that was strongly rejected and never implemented so important to discuss today? With nuclear missiles getting planted in Cuba by our cold war enemy, is it surprising radical ideas popped up to stop our enemy?

[Darth_Budda]

They also blew up ships in the harbor killing civilians... Than timed another ship to blow up once the first responders got their...  If that is not terrorism i don't know what is..

[LiveFromUkraine]

A poor choice of words? Most people know if they were or weren't banned. When you came back a few years ago, you said you were banned as the reason you were gone and if that was a lie, Dan would have called you out on it. Regardless if you were lying then or lying now. In the end it's all the same.

Do you get tired of being wrong?   Why does my old username state "Opt Out" Einstein?  Sad to see you having to search up dirt on me instead of debating the topic like real men.

Okay, let's start with you calling me a liar by quoting Dan the man himself.

Welcome back Thomas. I guess we need to clear a few things up. First, you expressed disagreement with the Terms of Service and based on that disagreement (and with your full prior knowledge) I placed your account in "Opted-Out" status - where it remains today. Had you wanted to return and use that account - AND - accept the Terms of Service (a requirement for all members at RWD), that option was available to you by merely finding a way to contact me.

You have obviously seen that quote since one of the quotes you used came from the same thread.  Nice try and, like I said, we can see right through your BS bub.


Since you dug up that thread, you also saw the reason for the disagreement.  It had nothing to do with my freedom of speech.


Apparently, my IP was added to the banned list.  Sometimes those things happen automatically based on how you configure the board software.  That is probably why I used the "banned" word.  I forgot all about it since that thread was a long time ago. 



 Billy, you will have to stand in the corner for some time as punishment.  Looks like you just got caught in a lie.  I first thought you were just ignorant but since you saw that thread and still tried to paint a false picture, it is now obvious what your true intentions were.  Taking random quotes out of context to fit your agenda is the same as lying.


Billy, you are not making much sense.  You derailed this thread off topic, again, while you run around the forum  yelling at Muzh, GOB and TomT for doing the same. 


Don't keep asking me to educate you and show you up.


Why don't you take some time off the forum, put on some cartoons, grab the checkers game and spend some quality time with your wife.  It will give us adults a chance to talk.

[BillyB]

That is probably why I used the "banned" word.

Earlier you were big on promoting a fair trial for even the worst people in society at any cost. If you were on trial, you would do poorly. Important tip for everyone. Never use the word "probably", "assume", or any word that gives the jury and judge the impression you're not confident about what happened. You clearly stated you were banned as a result of fighting with Dan over ToS. Your words, not mine, below. I'm not going to dig into your posts anymore. Whether you're lying then or now; it's all the same to me.
 
"Not only that but I stuck my neck out for the guy here and ended up in a disagreement with the TOS and Dan which ended up in being banned."
 
You remind me of the suspects mother in an article I read today. She recently said she was never mixed up in any criminal intentions but last year she was caught shoplifting over $1600 worth of merchandise. She's got a memory as sharp as yours.
 
http://news.yahoo.com/mother-bomb-suspects-found-deeper-spirituality-224317582.html