Layers of illusions

[vwrw]

Usage of absolutes such as "all" "always" and so on makes even valid ideas appear false. However, if you replace "all" with "it is perceptible", some of those illusion become valid statements.


Illusion number one: All Russian men are drunkards


It is perceptible that there are much more drunkards among Russian men than among Americans. I live in USA for 6 years, I have seen drunken men here only on TV and read about them in magazines. In Russia,  drunken men are an usual sight on the streets. 

Illusion number two: All Russian women are slim and curvy and dress each day in those 4 inch spiked heels and tight miniskirts I mentioned earlier.

It is perceptible that there are much more women in Russia  that are slim and curvy. [/font]

And so on with each next illusion.

[Fashionista]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11248.0
Они съели этого парня и не подавились)))
That topic starter said the same.

LOL, I don't remember this thread. His post is hilarious. I started thinking where he lived in Russia, but quickly realized he was probably kidnapped.    I must admit, there are circles where everything he is saying is probably true, I just grew up in a different environment.

[Doll]

OK (I've had my coffee), briefly:
AM are looking for submissive (traditional) wives, RW are looking for "typical" AM.
AM who seek in Russia are NOT typical.
 

[ghost of moon goddess]

Usage of absolutes such as "all" "always" and so on makes even valid ideas appear false. However, if you replace "all" with "it is perceptible", some of those illusion become valid statements.

Being a journalist, Mendi is knowingly using hyperbole to emphasize Prominent Illusions 
Exaggeration (here ALL) is not meant to be taken literally.

[Ranetka]

Mendy, you are trying to educate the kind of people who can happily post 'the rest of Russia is crap' do you think anything you post is going to make any difference?

[Boethius]

Usage of absolutes such as "all" "always" and so on makes even valid ideas appear false. However, if you replace "all" with "it is perceptible", some of those illusion become valid statements.


Illusion number one: All Russian men are drunkards


It is perceptible that there are much more drunkards among Russian men than among Americans. I live in USA for 6 years, I have seen drunken men here only on TV and read about them in magazines. In Russia,  drunken men are an usual sight on the streets. 

In America, drunken men aren't on the streets.  They are in bars, clubs, homes, behind the wheel of a car, being driven home by friends, or in a cab.

OK (I've had my coffee), briefly:
AM are looking for submissive (traditional) wives, RW are looking for "typical" AM.

How would a RW who has not lived in the US know what a "typical" AM is?

[Faux Pas]

OK (I've had my coffee), briefly:
AM are looking for submissive (traditional) wives, RW are looking for "typical" AM.
AM who seek in Russia are NOT typical.

That is very true. Not good nor bad but, not typical

[Faux Pas]

It is perceptible that there are much more drunkards among Russian men than among Americans. I live in USA for 6 years, I have seen drunken men here only on TV and read about them in magazines. In Russia,  drunken men are an usual sight on the streets. 

Just because you're not seeing them doesn't mean they are not there, they are. It's just not in the open as is in Russia. Public drunkedness is a punishable crime in most places in the U.S. as is public consumption. I haven't spent 6 years in Russia but, I don't see the alcohol problem as "that much" worse than the U.S.. The statistics states that it is and I'll go with that but, American is not immune and alcohol is a big problem. The only difference is in America it is largely indoors and in Russia it is not

[Muzh]

American women ARE different from RW or UW - AW are sweeter (once they choose to marry a man), they are way more tollerant, etc.

LMAO
 
This reminded me of an old joke.
 
 The 5 Types Of Post-Marriage Sex

The first is Smurf Sex. This happens during the honeymoon period; you both keep doing it until you're blue in the face. The second is Kitchen Sex. This is at the beginning of the marriage; you'll have sex anywhere, anytime, even in the kitchen. The third kind is Bedroom Sex. You've calmed down a bit, perhaps have kids, so you gotta do it in the bedroom. The fourth kind is Hallway Sex. This is the phase in which you pass each other in the hallway and say, "Screw you!" There is also a fifth kind of sex: Courtroom Sex. This is when you get divorced and your wife screws you in front of everyone in the courtroom. [/c][/t][/t][/t]

[Boethius]

Why what?  I don't feel like doing it now- too early. Maybe later
BWT, the OP then is stuffed with "empty statements". He barely proved any of his "illusions".
Так шта....)))

I don't think he is trying to prove the illusions.  On the contrary, I think he is saying these are not reality.

[Gator]

Just because you're not seeing them doesn't mean they are not there, they are. It's just not in the open as is in Russia. Public drunkedness is a punishable crime in most places in the U.S. as is public consumption.

My city police will arrest anyone on a sidewalk who is holding an open container (glass, bottle, etc.)  of an alcoholic beverage (beer, wine, cocktail, spirits, etc.).   In the FSU you see many such examples, frequently teenagers  drinking beer on the street, creating a starkly different perception.   
 
Nevertheless, I have seen an ample number of intoxicated Russians passed out in public.  In the front of my wife's apartment, we saw in the noonday sun a man passed out face down next to the sidewalk.  Someone had taken his trousers and he was wearing no underwear.   His popka was a bright pink from the growing sunburn. 
 
Is this commonplace?  No.  This was the most extreme case in ten years of traveling in the FSU.  My last trip to Russia was a week in St. Piter around New Year's.  I did not see one passed out person.   Yes, some people were speaking loudly or having trouble walking straight, but no vomiting and not one prone person. 
 

[Gator]

LMAO
 
This reminded me of an old joke.
 

Another one, a horse race known as "The Honeymoon is Over Downs." Don't watch the horses, listen to the speaker. 
 

 
 

[Gator]

Mendy, a man before he takes a trip will be influenced by the MOB agency hype he reads.   After visiting the FSU, he will draw his opinions from what he sees and what he hears from FSU people (which will likely be limited to RW he dates).   Thus, many of these illusions are reinforced by the RW themselves and perhaps originate from RW.   
 
For example, many a RW I dated had previously been married.   The divorce typically resulted because of one or more of the following reasons:   her RM husband's alcoholism, infidelity,  gambling, and/or lack of financial support.   Maybe the RW wife drove him to drink.         However, my sample was obviously biased towards the experiences of RW with bad marriages and thinking a Western man could be better.

[ML]

Illusion number seven:  Russian and Ukrainian women are very different from American women.   This observation is skin deep, IMO.   Few years in USA and most of Russian/Ukrainian will adapt to the surroundings, joining ranks of American women. 

As I have written several times before . . . I never found that much difference in the FSUW and AW to begin with.  So I never had to wait the 'few years.'  Talking about behavioral characteristics here.

[OlgaH]

Maybe the RW wife drove him to drink.       

and drove him back... oh, well such things also happen in Russia 


http://youtu.be/nSj-YxyDeys

[Misha]

LOL, I don't remember this thread. His post is hilarious. I started thinking where he lived in Russia, but quickly realized he was probably kidnapped.    I must admit, there are circles where everything he is saying is probably true, I just grew up in a different environment.

You mean this does not apply to you and all RW?

"It is very common for a women to have 2-3 boyfriends (older) to supply her with materialistic things and money for her to look good for her number 1 man."

[mendeleyev]

I agree 200% to what the topic starter writes.
But, Mendeleyev, people here do not like your truth.

Thank you, Doll. However while at first it seemed the topic had no traction, now readers are reacting to it and the most important result is to stimulate discussion for that is how informed attitudes are born.

I'm of the opinion however that people here are more on board that we might at first suspect. This is an intelligent group and all I did was bring a number of ideas under one "roof" so that they could be discussed as a whole.

[mendeleyev]

Ooooops:

And here is mine:


Illusion number seven:  Russian and Ukrainian women are very different from American women.   This observation is skin deep, IMO.   Few years in USA and most of Russian/Ukrainian will adapt to the surroundings, joining ranks of American women.

Agreed. Good addition!

I enjoy cooking and view this in terms of adding spices to a dish or meat. It begins as the same ingredient, our basic human nature, but our environment and culture adds the extra spices to who we become. So we are the same underneath but the differences that remain during and after assimilation are whatever "spices" that remain from our initial stage of life, plus the new ones we add in the process of change to a new environment which for the most part are drawn from the culture that surrounds us.

[ML]

Thank you, Doll. However while at first it seemed the topic had no traction, now readers are reacting to it and the most important result is to stimulate discussion for that is how informed attitudes are born.

I'm of the opinion however that people here are more on board that we might at first suspect. This is an intelligent group and all I did was bring a number of ideas under one "roof" so that they could be discussed as a whole.

Mendy is right.  'Most' intermediate to old timers here, agree with what he wrote.  It is 'mostly' only the newbies that believe in the 'illusions' that he wrote about.

And, it seems that some here have missed fact that he wrote in terms of illusions, because these 'some' have posted as if they thought he were writing the 'truths' as he saw them.

Some quick posts here before careful reading; but that happens often here.  Not from me, of course, but from others!! 

[mendeleyev]

Doll:

AM are looking for submissive (traditional) wives,

I'm not sure that this is true of the men who actually marry. I agree that some men begin with that perception but the process, the distance, and the independent character of many RW send many of these men packing prior to marriage. Thus some of the "scam" stories on many of the internet sites by guys who claim to be defrauded.

RW are looking for "typical" AM.
AM who seek in Russia are NOT typical.

You are right.

As I wrote in the original post, most people in any country wouldn't dream of traveling thousands of miles/km to find a spouse. There are exceptions of course but for the most part it takes a certain type of person open to adventure, open to new ways to view the world, and open to other cultures to accept and bring home a wife from abroad. This kind of man generally lives above stigma and does not allow others to direct how his life is lived. Most of these men are "comfortable in their own skin."

Are there exceptions? Certainly, but "exceptions prove the existence of the rule."

[Muzh]

Doll:

I'm not sure that this is true of the men who actually marry. I agree that some men begin with that perception [submissive wives] but the process, the distance, and the independent character of many RW send many of these men packing prior to marriage. Thus some of the "scam" stories on many of the internet sites by guys who claim to be defrauded.

Heh, that explains the very low numbers of AM marrying R/UW.

[Doll]

Mendy, I am sorry but I don't think in this "stigma" in AM who search in FSU.
What are the most popular country WM hunt for wives? Gemany?
GB? France?
No- FSU,  Philippines, South America. The countries with "disadvantaged" economy and bad (for women) demographical situation.
Come on!

[ML]

The countries with "disadvantaged" economy and bad (for women) demographical situation.
Come on!

Is situation 'bad' for men in those countries also?

[Boethius]

Mendy, you are trying to educate the kind of people who can happily post 'the rest of Russia is crap' do you think anything you post is going to make any difference?

If you go back and read his post, it was a sarcastic joke.   

[Doll]

Is situation 'bad' for men in those countries also?

No