The Russian Bride business is nearly finished!

[steveboy]

Its totally correct!! The Russian bride business will be over in a few more years, firstly borders are going to be opened up Russians will not need the help of a Western guy to travel not that the majority do now in any case.
Secondly have many of you visited Moscow or St petersburg as of recent? I have been living here a fair time now todays modern Russian women is very different to that of a decade or so back. Many have good jobs and careers mention "Russian brides" and most will laugh, just like they will laugh at some stupid foreign guy arriving in any large city flashing his passport about expecting poor desperate Russian women to be falling at his knees!
It is a totally different story now, intact I have many friends who are from the US living in Russia with their wife's soon it will probably be a total reverse of the situation.
I am a member of many forums and it is still unbelievable that in todays modern world no body in the US watches current affairs programs. Russia has a big fast growing economy and plenty of cash, whilst most Western countries are on the verge of bankruptcy. Ask any US guy living in Russia.

Yes the Russian bride thing will finish shortly, Russia is a very different country to two decades ago and so is the modern Russian women!

[Patagonie]

Yes but till corruption is not cleaned, the country is locked for real improvement.

[steveboy]

Agree totally!! Already had my fair share of Russian corruption 

[Faux Pas]

Its totally correct!! The Russian bride business will be over in a few more years,

firstly borders are going to be opened up Russians will not need the help of a Western guy to travel not that the majority do now in any case.
Secondly have many of you visited Moscow or St petersburg as of recent? I have been living here a fair time now todays modern Russian women is very different to that of a decade or so back. Many have good jobs and careers mention "Russian brides" and most will laugh, just like they will laugh at some stupid foreign guy arriving in any large city flashing his passport about expecting poor desperate Russian women to be falling at his knees!
It is a totally different story now, intact I have many friends who are from the US living in Russia with their wife's soon it will probably be a total reverse of the situation.
I am a member of many forums and it is still unbelievable that in todays modern world no body in the US watches current affairs programs. Russia has a big fast growing economy and plenty of cash, whilst most Western countries are on the verge of bankruptcy. Ask any US guy living in Russia.

Yes the Russian bride thing will finish shortly, Russia is a very different country to two decades ago and so is the modern Russian women!

If you read any of the archives you'll see there were a few proclaiming this a few years back for pretty much the same reasons that you state now. Possibly the only thing that has happened to lend that any cred is it has possibly slowed but, from my view, a long way from finished 

[steveboy]

Your living in Russia are you?? so you know these things?? or do you just visit the odd time and listen to the propaganda shit they churn out on US tv?

[Misha]

Let's see, the Russian bride business is dead, but you are here to promote your own "different" bride business?!? As for the foreigner's living with their Russian wives in Moscow, have you ever considered that this gives their wives the advantage of an easier exit if things go awry? Take the case of a leading Russian economist who effectively fled Russia to go join his wife already in France.

[calmissile]

I have no experience in Russia, but my experience in Ukriane causes me to partially disagree with your analysis.    The past couple of years I have met many single people through networking and extended family.  We chat about these things and no one seems to have a motive for being dishonest about their feelings.

Sure, the MOB business has changed.  The internet and free sites have reduced the need for agencies.  I agree to some extent that the economics has changed to some extent and there are fewer women that are looking for a mule to get them to the 'promised land' to get them out of poverty.

On the other hand (at least in Ukriane), there is another important reason why women are looking for foreign husbands....... according to most of the single women I have talked to they would like a foreign husband because they are unable to find a quality man at home.  Stories after story about husbands that are not family oriented and will not stay home and be part of the family.  Instead they want to be drinking or playing pool with their buddies, etc.    It's kind of unlikely to hear the same story from so many women if there were not some truth to it.

It also does not mean that all men are this way, just most of the single and/or divorced ones.  There is also the cultural attitude that the wife takes care of all the domestic duties (including raising the children).

My gut feel from my own experience is that FSUW are not that different than WW.  They want to be loved and have an intact family unit.  The married couples I know seem just like happy married couples in the US.  If the men (both single and married) can have a different woman any time he wants to, what is the incentive for him to stay home and tow the line?  Unless the culture changes, I don't see a big change coming soon in the number of women wanting a foreign husband.

[Faux Pas]

Your living in Russia are you?? so you know these things?? or do you just visit the odd time and listen to the propaganda shit they churn out on US tv?

Did I say I lived in Russia? Do you have reading comprehension issues or do you get snippety with everyone who you perceive as challenging your statements?

Simply, history does not support your statements and neither does the current state of the MOB business. Do you have anything at all to substantiate your claims other than what you see on the street Mr. Expat?

[steveboy]

I have no experience in Russia, but my experience in Ukriane causes me to partially disagree with your analysis.    The past couple of years I have met many single people through networking and extended family.  We chat about these things and no one seems to have a motive for being dishonest about their feelings.

Sure, the MOB business has changed.  The internet and free sites have reduced the need for agencies.  I agree to some extent that the economics has changed to some extent and there are fewer women that are looking for a mule to get them to the 'promised land' to get them out of poverty.

On the other hand (at least in Ukriane), there is another important reason why women are looking for foreign husbands....... according to most of the single women I have talked to they would like a foreign husband because they are unable to find a quality man at home.  Stories after story about husbands that are not family oriented and will not stay home and be part of the family.  Instead they want to be drinking or playing pool with their buddies, etc.    It's kind of unlikely to hear the same story from so many women if there were not some truth to it.

It also does not mean that all men are this way, just most of the single and/or divorced ones.  There is also the cultural attitude that the wife takes care of all the domestic duties (including raising the children).

My gut feel from my own experience is that FSUW are not that different than WW.  They want to be loved and have an intact family unit.  The married couples I know seem just like happy married couples in the US.  If the men (both single and married) can have a different woman any time he wants to, what is the incentive for him to stay home and tow the line?  Unless the culture changes, I don't see a big change coming soon in the number of women wanting a foreign husband.

Your 100% correct on the issue with Russian men and their drink problems and it is not just drink its the trips to the local sauna with some hookers and returning home to the family at any time they feel fit, I recently fired my Russian partner for these exact reasons. Many times I have been out with him and his gf, he spent most of the evening getting sloshed and thinking how he can escape to some whore house, its just the Russian mentality! And though I love the country I would never mix business with a Russian guy again.


 

[steveboy]

Did I say I lived in Russia? Do you have reading comprehension issues or do you get snippety with everyone who you perceive as challenging your statements?

Simply, history does not support your statements and neither does the current state of the MOB business. Do you have anything at all to substantiate your claims other than what you see on the street Mr. Expat?

Sure 1.Many years socialising with Russian people:) 2. I run a very busy dating site over four years and receive feedback on a daily basis from Russian women.

For me making some money from my dating site is great but its short term and Im already developing several Asian and Filipino sites at present becouse the Russian dating thing simply will not be about for to many more years. Its time to diversify Im afraid.
Only 20 years ago women from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania were looking for foreign husbands. That has all come to an end just like the Russian bride business will also come to an end and thats fact!

[Misha]

And though I love the country I would never mix business with a Russian guy again.

Let see if I understand this correctly. In another thread you are telling us how wonderful it is to be an expat in Russia, yet here you are telling us you can't do business with those people (the men of Russia) who effectively control most business as well as all other forms of power...

[steveboy]

Unfortunately you are 100% correct on that point! Much for my love of Russia I would not have any business dealings with any Russians it is just a sad fact on Russian mentality. Something I think will take a long time to change.

[steveboy]

By the way Im not full time in Russia , I spend 30% of my time in Transnistria (The black hole of Europe ) as they say in the media)

[JohnDearGreen]

Yes the Russian bride thing will finish shortly, Russia is a very different country to two decades ago and so is the modern Russian women!

Steveboy:

You overlook basic facts.  It is difficult for any single person over 30 in any country to find a mate.  The attractive and successful ladies sometimes have even more of a problem, because they are frequently unwillingly to accept an average blue collar type guy.   80% of the men that are on these sites are chasing the top 10% of the ladies, so yes, it will be difficult for some of them, and always has been.  And many will think the grass is always greener somewhere else.  The dating club business will always have plenty of applicants.   

[steveboy]

Very true! But the Russian dating business is a niche market compared with mainstream dating and it is decreasing very very fast I know this for sure. If you remember 15 years ago you could travel to any of the Baltic states to find a bride and you would of found many women from the baltic states on any Russian brides site but not any more! they have no reason to sign up to these sites. They are free to travel throughout Europe, of course travelling is not all they seek. I have about about 350 women join my site each week maybe 1/2 are from The Baltic states max. I give 5 years max before the Russian side of things goes the same way. Of course there will always be some women looking for a foreign husband but not enough to justify running a Russian brides site along with any Russian women forums. Things change just as they have with baltic women. Also there is a huge increase in young Russian men with a big disposable income, that is should the women seek a wealthy man.
Also the USA is not such a popular country for Russian women to wish to move to today of course I may be wrong on this but I socialise with many Russians along with running my own sites so have a pretty good idea.
The bottom line is today picking up a "Russian bride" is not such an easy task.

[chooter]

About 7 months ago I didn't have any problems picking up a Russian bride on a plane from Moscow to JFK......just saying 

[Turboguy]

I do think there are a lot of factors that go into the popularity of a woman from any country looking for a foreign man.   The economy can be a very, very major factor and the economy in many parts of Russia are improving.   This is particularly true of the major cities such as Moscow.  When I started searching ages ago the economy in Russia was in shambles and women had more motivation to leave the country. 


There are other factors however that come into play.  One important one is a shortage of marriage minded quality men in Russia.  Particularly for women in their 30's with one or more children finding a good husband is still difficult.  I think as long as that continues a foreign man will stay an option.


If the USA was filled with beautiful, family oriented shapely women looking for a good man and unable to find one, then men would never consider going overseas.  The fact is that it is not and that is why many men look overseas.  The reverse is true in Russia.  I think the business may not die as quickly as some expect. 

[Faux Pas]

Very true! But the Russian dating business is a niche market compared with mainstream dating and it is decreasing very very fast I know this for sure. If you remember 15 years ago you could travel to any of the Baltic states to find a bride and you would of found many women from the baltic states on any Russian brides site but not any more! they have no reason to sign up to these sites. They are free to travel throughout Europe, of course travelling is not all they seek. I have about about 350 women join my site each week maybe 1/2 are from The Baltic states max. I give 5 years max before the Russian side of things goes the same way. Of course there will always be some women looking for a foreign husband but not enough to justify running a Russian brides site along with any Russian women forums. Things change just as they have with baltic women. Also there is a huge increase in young Russian men with a big disposable income, that is should the women seek a wealthy man.
Also the USA is not such a popular country for Russian women to wish to move to today of course I may be wrong on this but I socialise with many Russians along with running my own sites so have a pretty good idea.
The bottom line is today picking up a "Russian bride" is not such an easy task.

Steveboy, you're not the first to come to this forum and make these proclamations. In fact, you are about 5-6 years too late for that distinction. The MOB business could go tits up completely yet, there will still be East/West relationships and marriages. Perhaps you see your role as middleman in these relationships drying up?

As long as there are available single women looking for husbands in Russia and available men in the West seeking wives these relationships will continue. Whether anyone would need your services to facilitate it is a whole 'nother kettle of fish

[steveboy]

It is no worry for me whatsoever if no one needs my services lol. I am already moving into other areas such as the Filipino dating along with mainstream dating in preparation and will continue my stay in Russia  

[mendeleyev]

Steve, FP is correct. I'd say about right now is a good time to offer some of those free memberships you spoke of in order to show your sincerity. Most members here are very experienced but maybe some new guys will be interested. Nothing like testing your product on a forum like this one, just sayin'...

[Gator]

As long as there are available single women looking for husbands in Russia and available men in the West seeking wives these relationships will continue.

Exactly.  What changes is that RW will be on more equal footing.  That is good for both the man and woman in the sense that matches will be more genuine. 
 
Also changing is the effort and patience required of the man.    As just one example, the RW will visit the American man and see his life before agreeing to marry him.   And many RW will say "no" after the man has invested much in her.  The "one-week-wonder" is a thing of the past.
 
 

Whether anyone would need your services to facilitate it is a whole 'nother kettle of fish

There will always be a need for an introduction service.    Nevertheless, both the number of introductions and the income generated per introduction will probably be less.   Thus, the market is indeed in a long and steady decline.  Hence, steveboy is attempting to penetrate the Filipino dating market.

Maybe an executive introduction and matchmaking service would flourish for the few men who could afford the cost.  It would eliminate mismatches that are apparent to the man only after he has spent much time and money doing it on his own. 

[Misha]

It is always fascinating that the Baltics are always used as the proof that women from the FSU soon won't be marrying foreigners. Yet, when I was in Estonia I was reading in a local Russian-language newspaper how women from the Baltics would go to Ireland for a fee to get married to a migrant seeking legal status in the EU. The men IIRC were often from Pakistan. In other words for a couple thousand Euros they were willing to enter into a marriage of convenience. Though not as bad ad Ukraine or Moldova, the streets of the Baltics are hardly paved with gold and if a woman met the right man, I don't believe she would say no just to stay in the Baltics.

[GQBlues]

Steveboy, you're not the first to come to this forum and make these proclamations. In fact, you are about 5-6 years too late for that distinction. The MOB business could go tits up completely yet, there will still be East/West relationships and marriages. Perhaps you see your role as middleman in these relationships drying up?

As long as there are available single women looking for husbands in Russia and available men in the West seeking wives these relationships will continue. Whether anyone would need your services to facilitate it is a whole 'nother kettle of fish

I concur for the most part.

What Steveboy neglected to say to make his point was likely adding the bit "as the MOB was in the past, or we've all known it to be".

No more fast-tracking, passport-yielding, dollar-waving marriage proposals - at least not to the same magnitude as it was before. Economic parity is slowly prevailing, at least in this particular region - for now. That's a wonderful thing.

BUT, there will always be social misfits who'll still be reliant on the such service industries like his who still make promises, unattainable or otherwise.

[IAmZon]

Perhaps it is best to suggest that there will be a decrease in HYPERGAMY - large age and league gaps.

American men - in all levels of American society - will have an increasing problem finding and marrying "good / desirable" women for the purposes of long term relationship, in the more traditional sense of the concept, throughout time.   (Sure, there will be those that don't mind being Mr. Mom. Sure there are those that will ignore the legal and financial disincentives.  Sure, there will be those that will be too lazy to ask "what if").

I think that international dating and matchmaking, in a broader sense, has a longer life than the original poster presumes.

Recently, a female psychologist released a book that made the news shows emphasizing this social change.

[steveboy]

What do you mean by "Mr Mom" ?