Re: What is A MOB'r, Round II

[Boethius]

OK Boethius, you now have the talking pillow.

What I will say for GQ is that WRT me, unlike you, he does not use vulgar language, call me names, or swear at me behind the veils of privacy, all while playing the "elder statesman" on the forum.  No phoniness from him.  He has, in the past, attacked me personally. Our politics are polar opposites.  But, at least he is consistent.  He is not duplicitous, depending on who is "listening".

I use income as a surrogate for loser.   

Hardly a surprise.  Your use of money as the currency of "success in life" is evident in many of your posts.  Wealth, or lack thereof, is not the measure of an individual.  Here's the bio of one fabulously wealthy man.  He's even a known philanthropist.  A real American success story.  Although I personally reject such labels, is he a "winner" or a "loser"?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Epstein

[Jumper]

New title..WOW!

What is a typical MOBer II: Here's the chorus line checklist:


Old Fart: Gator (anyone disgree?)
Loser/Loner: BillyB (anyone disagree?)
Fat Man: LordTiberiius (anyone disagree?)
Old Fart: Fathertime (anyone disagree?)


Gezz, guys!

AJ wanted 'funny', there you have it.

Yeap it's funny to me a successful, decent guy,  with a good outlook on  life ,and family,
 finds a need to rather routinely publicly castigate others.
Apologies for trying to understand that motivation,
and while i may not be as active modding things as others, it is a concern in general.

[lordtiberius]

Yeah, he does not attack you personally.  You don't disagree with him muxh either.  That is all he does is attack people personally but for ppl like ML thats cool and the gang.

stop running interference for this blockhead

[Boethius]

Yeah, he does not attack you personally.  You don't disagree with him muxh either.  That is all he does is attack people personally but for ppl like ML thats cool and the gang.

stop running interference for this blockhead

He once called me a bad mother, LT.  That's pretty personal.

Further, my response was to Gator's shots at me, not GQ.  As I noted, I am not running interference for GQ, and as you don't know the history, I suggest you stop telling me what to do and how to post.  My husband can't control me (not that he'd try, in any event, he's all about free will).  What makes you believe you can?

[ML]

My husband can't control me (not that he'd try, in any event, he's all about free will).

OMG, he needs some lessons in Control Theory. 

Ask him to contact me.  I will advise him to start with the bread issue.  Perhaps can get you whipped into order by Christmas.

[Gator]

Again lack of logic, comprehension issues and attempt to claim something as a fact about me which I never said.

 
missAmeno, earlier in the "dating RM" thread, you took the time to write a detailed and logical response to GQ's criticism of your opinions.  What was GQ's response?  He admitted that he did not read it because he already knew everything he needed to know about you.   In other words, even though you are a RW, your opinions about RM behavior are not valid. 
 
I believe we can agree that GQ is hopeless (and thus a waste of time).

[lordtiberius]

He once called me a bad mother, LT.  That's pretty personal.

Further, my response was to Gator's shots at me, not GQ.  As I noted, I am not running interference for GQ, and as you don't know the history, I suggest you stop telling me what to do and how to post.  My husband can't control me (not that he'd try, in any event, he's all about free will).  What makes you believe you can?

read your own post UT.  You said he doesn't attack you personally and now you say je dies.  So which is it?

stop running interference for social deviant

[Boethius]

OMG, he needs some lessons in Control Theory. 

Ask him to contact me.  I will advise him to start with the bread issue.  Perhaps can get you whipped into order by Christmas.

He will say, "Alas, it is too late.  It is my fate." (He's a fan of 19th century Russian literature).


However, I could use your services.  The marble rolling pin has ceased to have effect.

[Boethius]

read your own post UT. 

No, you go and reread it.  You have not read carefully.  My post was not about GQ.

[Gator]

Wealth, or lack thereof, is not the measure of an individual. 

 
 
You are absolutely correct. 
 
I thought you were intelligent enough to understand my intent.  Although "income" is not an accurate measure of being a loser, it was the best of the parameters reported by Dan's scientific survey.  I needed something scientific to counter the biased opinions of the tortured soul GQ.
 
Of the parameters that Dan surveyed, what would you use as a surrogate for "loser?"   I realize that you dislike such labels, yet your fav son GQ did use it in bold, and you seem to relish any opportunity to speak for him and clarify his positions.   
 
This is important because I have a real problem with how GQ criticism of the majority of AM married to RW, calling them losers. Perhaps your insights will remove the bad taste I have for his blanket insults. 
 

Here's the bio of one fabulously wealthy man.  He's even a known philanthropist.  A real American success story.  Although I personally reject such labels, is he a "winner" or a "loser"?

He is a pedophile, and is at the bottom of the "loser" totem pole. 
 

What I will say for GQ is that WRT me, unlike you, he does not use vulgar language, call me names, or swear at me behind the veils of privacy, all while playing the "elder statesman" on the forum.

You have my permission to quote me from the so called private archives.  One caveat - please give the context for my statements, including the substance of a disagreement.  That would require you to be fair and objective.  And you have free rein because I do not have access to such archives. 
 
For  example, what did I call you when you used your power as a moderator to delete and distort my posts?   Another example, what did I call you when you restricted BillyB but gave GOB a free ride when both were culpable in a squabble? 

[Boethius]

I am not "protecting" nor "running interference" for any poster.  My posts were about what I thought.  No one else.  That we both viewed stereotyping a whole nation as silly was the point. 

Now, the purpose of a forum is to generate posts.  The more controversial the subject matter, the more posts.  That was the purpose for my response. My posts reflect my opinion.  No one else's.  Got it?


I think you failed with "income" as a "scientific method".  Human relationships, at least normal human  cannot be defined by money or by survey questions, or even by labels such as "loser" or "junk pile".

I am not going to rehash moderator decisions that have been discussed ad infinitum. 

[Gator]

I am not going to rehash moderator decisions that have been discussed ad infinitum.

You are the one who brought this up.  You accused me of calling you vulgar names in the private moderator discussion, describing it in a manner as if I used the c-word.    I asked for specific examples with the true context explained.  You refuse because you know that I did not use vulgar language towards you.  So why accuse me of the act?  Are you trying to divert the discussion now that you can see the weakness of your supporting you fav son's blanket name calling.   
 
Boethius, this is another example of how on occasion you freely distort the facts.   Either that, or you are emotionally blinded by your dislike of me and believe what you just wrote.   

[Ade]

Seems to me tha some of the responses in this very thread prove GQ's point beyond a shadow of a doubt...


Enter stage right; LT aka "the chubby religious extremist dude" and Gator aka "the man that fancies himself as the FSUW's Hugh Hefnner but older and more divorced".

[Gator]

I think you failed with "income" as a "scientific method".  Human relationships, at least normal human  cannot be defined by money or by survey questions, or even by labels such as "loser" or "junk pile".

Again, I agree with you.  Judging someone to be a loser is highly subjective and would require a comprehensive analysis.  Care to provide a definition of loser for purposes of discussion?
 
I prefer to believe that no man married to RW is a loser if he is genuinely endeavoring to foster a loving, enduring relationship and if he mentors and facilitates her assimilation. 
 
So why would someone express that most of the MOB men are losers?  Does this person have special insights?  Or does he prefer to stereotype men?
 
 
BTW, the survey data on income does show that most AM married to a RW have the financial capability to provide adequately IMO for her new life in America.

[CanadaMan]

However, I could use your services.  The marble rolling pin has ceased to have effect.

Before ML can be of service to you, you will need to clarify which effect it is that you are referring to.
The rolling pin is no longer effective to make bread or bonk some sense into your head?   

[GQBlues]

man, I'm late to my own party, I see....of well...too nice a day out there to waste in the puter.

But, better late than never....so here goes!

...That's a new one. In the past I've been called fat, balding, pedophile, and a criminal on this forum by some of your buddies. Based off the kind of women I attract, more and more guys are now going to want to be called "losers". ....

Here's why I defined you a loner and a loser.

When your failed K-1 with that woman from Uzbekistan was at its filing stage, the gal, apparently, had a nervous breakdown when you filed your K-1 to 'get here' in the US. Why a nervous breakdown, lawrd only knows. Considering there's personal information in these documents made available for both parties, who the heck knows what's in it that caused her to suffer from a nervous breakdown.

Out of the blue, I get this silly message on RWG from you asking me if I and my wife can write some sort of character witness statement vouching for your character.

I get the message and mentioned it to my wife and right off the bat she uttered the very same thing in my mind. Why us? We've never met the guy and doesn't he have any friends he can ask he personally knew - or better yet - that knows him? What exactly are we suppose to say in the letter? LOL.

So I replied to your message telling you I don't know you other than your posts on RWG, so what exactly were we suppose to tell a woman we don't know about a man we don't know for his character statement letter?

Dear Uzbek lady-

I know BillyB from a message board. My wife doesn't even have that luxury - but he's asking us to vouch for his character none the less. You know, judging from his posts, we think maybe you can trust him...LOL

Good luck.

From a very reliable character witness!

Now you claim her nervous breakdown was because she had a changed of mind. LOL. For someone who supposedly knows his way around women - dude, you are as clueless as a rock. Of course, that is *if* she had in fact had a changed of mind and have nothing whatsoever to do with what was ultimately shared with her by DHS about you....

...but then, we're still left with the question why on earth will anyone ask someone they have never met, much less know anything about, to write a letter to woman he's about to *marry* suffering from a nervous breakdown, right at the time petition papers are freely available to all parties, vouching for the petitioner's character?

Mind explaining that to the forum? Character witness, man?

...I’m currently 45 and married for quite a while now, is that an old fart?   Your opinions are not making much sense at this point and they usually do as I often agree with the logic you make.  Not every counter point is an attack on your person; although you are attempting to personalize it which if you take a breath and relax you will realize is a mistake (at least in my case). ..

If there's a mistake made it is with you. If you labeled yourself a 'transvestite', there must be a pretty darn good reason why. If you labeled yourself a pimp, there must be a pretty darn good reason why. If you labeled yourself 'fat', then there must be plenty good reasons why. If you labeled yourself 'fathertime', there must be a pretty darn good reason why.

Now you're telling me I made the mistake?

...Can't answer concerning the large majority, but I can answer for myself..

So it is a majority, eh?

...Matt,
You accuse me of rambling or being on medications?  Dear Lord man,read your own reply.LOL..

Don't weasel out of the question asked of you. If you don't have the balls to answer 'yes', you could at least lie to us and answer 'no'.

...Matt, you just wanted to take a few free potshots because I dared annoy you about your new chosen hobby. So take as many shots as you'd like , don't set that bar too high now!!...

Potshots at you? Pot...kettle...black, no?

But to entertain you, which one is it you claim to be potshot/s? Too many head crashes? Too much pain-killers? You're a lifelong MOBer subscriber? You were divorced and was back flipping wife catalogs shortly after your divorce (were you doing this even before?). Are these the potshots you're pointing out? Are any of them true or not? All are?

AJ, you previously stated having a hard time typing coherent posts because you've been jogged in the head one too many times. Is this not true, or are you just naturally like that?

I had extended you an opportunity (repeatedly) to re-post and clarify what your mumblings were. You took that as an annoyance to me? LOL...how can I be annoyed with someone like you? You literally have to type notes and scribbles on virtual paper, then copy and paste, just to make yourself appear coherent. Heck, you can't even type on a straight line much less use proper paragraphs and spacings.

Sheeesh.

...Again lack of logic, comprehension issues and attempt to claim something as a fact about me which I never said.
Please, show where did I say 'it was my environment'....

MissA-

Your adolescent logic is *hardly* serving you.

The OP directly asked for anyone's opinion for verification and/or confirmation on ANYTHING about the article, and YOU responded 'she is right in her observations' - unconditionally. The absence of any qualifications/conditions/stipulations, etc...easily renders your response you are in *full agreement* *fully believe* and/or can *entirely relate* to every single fact in the cited article.

You want yourself to be *clearly understood* then cite which ones require clarification/elaboration. That's what normal people do.

If you don't understand this VERY simple concept, then spend your time with some of these MOBers as I sure they'll be more than happy to patronize you. I don't like to waste time with your silliness. You're much too slow.

I gave you an opportunity to explain yourself upthread which you so far haven't done. You don't want to be 'taken' out of context, then you better find the time to explain yourself a lot better. You don't do that, then don't wig out on me.

This is why I do believe *full communication* is so very vital in any type of association or relationship. Can you just imagine if you didn't speak English and we'd have to rely soley on translators? LOL. So, why don't you try Gator. He's a hypocrite. He's been FSU brown-nosing for well close to 20 years now, LOL. The old fart is a multiple time marriage loser too, but he'd like to pretend he's got things in life all figured out. Heck, he married someone who doesn't speak English likely hoping things can get better if they didn't have to talk to one another, who knows...

As Neo exemplified perfectly and recently - *marrying someone who doesn't share the same language as you is akin to having a relationship with your dog*. I understand he was meaning to be complimenting and supportive, LOL. "So what can possibly be wrong with that?", he asked. LOL.

Anyway, Gator will likely agree with everything and anything you say as it really won't surprise me any.



LordTiberius-

What exactly in this post that didn't, or wouldn't, register with you?

"Bok Choy-

You are a poster boy of what I term as an MOBer.

Instead of spending the time to get yourself fit, you'd instead proudly admit to being fat. What the heck is the matter with you?

You are about to bring a woman into your life and world and you're gabbling up *double-stack* Oreos? Then you get your panties tied up in a wad because people tell you you're freaking FAT? Dude, YOU ARE!

You don't want to be called that, then do something about getting yourself fit. Exercise, work-out, get on a diet plan. Make yourself something YOUR woman will be happy and proud of when SHE GETS here to live in your world. Do not for a minute believe she agreed to share a life with you because you have a fascination and ambition to be OBESE.

Instead of spending time in these fora, work on yourself, ferchrissakes! Don't blame the people describing what you are for being what YOU are. No one ever forced you to gabble up the amount of food you take in. You're doing that to yourself...

If you're depressed for not having any friends, and thus eat your way to your life's misery, then get yourself clinically straightened out first before bringing an unsuspecting woman into your miserable world.


Gator-

You really are as pathetic as they come. It's little wonder you couldn't get a woman to stay with you. You're going to pin Boethius for issues you have with me? What a moron! What a freaking jerky thing to do, old fart.

Did you even ask your wife's permission if you can even post on the forum these days PW?

Dude, you really are a hypocrite. Ask your wife through an electronic translator what she thinks about that lil' doozy.



******


It is so utterly funny to see how easily many of you get all up in arms when factual things getting cited in black and white.

Guilt?


The majority of men in the MOB are social misfits/rejects - mainly because they are *old farts, fat men, losers and/or loners* - Clear classification of social misfits/rejects. It may not sound too kosher for the lot of you, but hey such is life....

[fathertime]

If there's a mistake made it is with you. If you labeled yourself a 'transvestite', there must be a pretty darn good reason why. If you labeled yourself a pimp, there must be a pretty darn good reason why. If you labeled yourself 'fat', then there must be plenty good reasons why. If you labeled yourself 'fathertime', there must be a pretty darn good reason why.

Now you're telling me I made the mistake?

 

Now you are just being silly which is fine.  I made a valid point earlier regarding a few things which perhaps are not things you are in agreement with or maybe you are, but this talk about being an old fart is just silliness and a distraction.  I'd rather stick to talking about real men/women relationship type issues on this board.  I think that many of the men that were able to find good wives (even if it doesn't last a lifetime) have done well for themselves...there is usually little reason to condemn them...there are plenty of men that are probably unsuited to be husband/father and hard as they may try they just can't attract a lady due to whatever shortcomings they have...these men are sometimes pitiful and laden with excuses why, and when they don't take responsibility they rightfully get hammered.


Fathertime! 

[Ade]

Here's why I defined you a loner and a loser.

When your failed K-1 with that woman from Uzbekistan was at its filing stage, the gal, apparently, had a nervous breakdown when you filed your K-1 to 'get here' in the US. Why a nervous breakdown, lawrd only knows. Considering there's personal information in these documents made available for both parties, who the heck knows what's in it that caused her to suffer from a nervous breakdown.

Out of the blue, I get this silly message on RWG from you asking me if I and my wife can write some sort of character witness statement vouching for your character.

I get the message and mentioned it to my wife and right off the bat she uttered the very same thing in my mind. Why us? We've never met the guy and doesn't he have any friends he can ask he personally knew - or better yet - that knows him? What exactly are we suppose to say in the letter? LOL.

So I replied to your message telling you I don't know you other than your posts on RWG, so what exactly were we suppose to tell a woman we don't know about a man we don't know for his character statement letter?

Dear Uzbek lady-

I know BillyB from a message board. My wife doesn't even have that luxury - but he's asking us to vouch for his character none the less. You know, judging from his posts, we think maybe you can trust him...LOL

Good luck.

From a very reliable character witness!

Now you claim her nervous breakdown was because she had a changed of mind. LOL. For someone who supposedly knows his way around women - dude, you are as clueless as a rock. Of course, that is *if* she had in fact had a changed of mind and have nothing whatsoever to do with what was ultimately shared with her by DHS about you....

...but then, we're still left with the question why on earth will anyone ask someone they have never met, much less know anything about, to write a letter to woman he's about to *marry* suffering from a nervous breakdown, right at the time petition papers are freely available to all parties, vouching for the petitioner's character?

Mind explaining that to the forum? Character witness, man?

This beggars the questions; how many other internet strangers did he ask, who were they, what did they say, and, if they were silly enough to give a character reference to a near total stranger (i.e. lie) , why didn't it help.... Also, it's a little out of character for Billy not disclose this juicy tidbit given his predilection for over share and TMI. Implies quite a lot and explains considerably more ... lol

I’m currently 45 and married for quite a while now, is that an old fart? 

Holy moly. If that's your picture in your avatar and you're only 45 then you need to get out more, see a doctor or something. Perhaps "Fathertime" aka "old fart" fits better than you think.

[Boethius]

I don't think he looks bad, if that's him.  There may be a perception he's older because of the beard with grey, but a lot of men are prematurely grey. 

[Ade]

I don't think he looks bad, if that's him.  There may be a perception he's older because of the beard with grey, but a lot of men are prematurely grey.

Well.... people here tend to look young for their age, generally speaking, so perhaps I'm not the best to judge but if I hadn't known, I would have pegged him at 55 going on 60 in that picture.

[Boethius]

People here tend to look young as well.  i think it is because we don't get a lot of sun. 


I don't judge age by baldness (a fashion here is for young men to shave their heads), or beards.  I'd look at wrinkles and lines around the face, which can't be discerned in that particular avatar.

[fathertime]

 





Holy moly. If that's your picture in your avatar and you're only 45 then you need to get out more, see a doctor or something. Perhaps "Fathertime" aka "old fart" fits better than you think.

Ade I'm in very good health and am still able to slap the ball outta the park every so often...what used to be blond is now grey in the beard, and I'm balding...I agree that i look older because of that but what difference does it make?  What about you? Just had a kid at about age 50?  You are going to look like a decrepit grandfather when he/she is in high school right? Or are you one of those that is 50 and 'looks 30'. hahaha

I don't think he looks bad, if that's him.  There may be a perception he's older because of the beard with grey, but a lot of men are prematurely grey. 

Thank you, it is me, I look how I look. Some might say the beard is an improvement.  I'm not sure why others find it so important though.   


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

Hmm, my parents are at the "decrepit" age, and both look great!  My father was always extremely active, real "Type A", still mows a half acre lawn with his trusty Toro, golfs almost every day, and walks at least a mile every night.  TomT, a member who posts infrequently here, at a "grandfather" age, is a runner and ballroom dancer, and from his photos, looks fitter, and much younger, than many much younger members here.  It's very individual.  Really.

[Ade]

 What about you? Just had a kid at about age 50?  You are going to look like a decrepit grandfather when he/she is in high school right? Or are you one of those that is 50 and 'looks 30'. hahaha
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My wife would probably tell you I look 10 years younger. 


Though I feel 10 years older these days. I must admit having a 7 month old at 48 is a little wearing but, I wouldn't have it any other way and better a good father, even a decrepit one, than many of the "fathers" I've met or seen post here.   


And at least I haven't resorted to a beard.

[fathertime]

My wife would probably tell you I look 10 years younger. 


Though I feel 10 years older these days. I must admit having a 7 month old at 48 is a little wearing but, I wouldn't have it any other way and better a good father, even a decrepit one, than many of the "fathers" I've met or seen post here.   


And at least I haven't resorted to a beard.

I had a long beard as a young person for a few years..then went clean for a long time..I don't think it is very stylish, as my teenagers let me know. 


My father was 48 when he had me...hey it isn't ideal in many respects, but in the scheme of things it isn't THAT important...but you commenting on how old I look is strange for a guy in your situation...you can expect you will be getting more then your own fair share of whispers about being old either now or in the years to come...people will certainly mistake you for grandpa on many a occasion....so you wanna give me a break on 'looking' old, or should we keep commenting on each other's age and position in life?   


Fathertime!