"You can keep your plan" but...

[2tallbill]

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24682709/gym-memberships-add-obamacare-tax#ixzz2syfwK9vJ
 
Why would a member of a tanning club not use the tanning booths?

If you have black or brown skin and wouldn't waste your time in a tanning room but
you have a gym membership and that gym has a two tanning beds in it, you still
gotta pay. You could use the tanning beds so you gotta pay the tax

[2tallbill]

For the Obama voters / apologists I have a question for you.

When Obama entered the White house the National Debt was

$10.60   Trillion Dollars. Today the National debt is
    $17.26  Trillion Dollars.


The democrats refuse to cut any spending what so ever. Actually they
insist on increasing the spending on every single program every single
year.

So my question is this, 

ARE YOU FREAKING cRaZy ?

Please explain how you support this.

[pokerintherear]

Don't you know by now its Bush's fault. Get with the program.

[Gator]

Obamacare is just the beginning. 

After the November elections this year President  Obama and the Democratic Senate will propose sweeping new legislation that will provide new benefits for many more Americans.  Entitled, The Americans With No Abilities Act (or the ANAA), it will be a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

 "Roughly 50 percent of Americans do not possess the competence and drive necessary to carve out a meaningful role for themselves in society," said California Sen. Barbara Boxer. "We can no longer stand by and allow People of Inability (POI) to be ridiculed and passed over. With the passage of this legislation, employers will no longer be able to grant special favors such as promotions to a small group of workers, simply because they know what to do and do it."

Those who simply "do not want to do" will have the same rights as those "who can not do" because of their lack of education or training.

[BC]

I really can't understand the debate about healthcare.

Yes it costs.. every month anywhere you live... but I tell you what.... Living in Europe all these years I have never seen a medical bill arrive in my post box.. and never will.

Want to continue paying double what others in the world pay and get less in terms of longevity and quality of life?

Yeah go right ahead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita

Instead of bickering why not just join the rest of the world and use bargaining power to drive prices down?  In the US they call it Economies of scale... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economies_of_scale   Surely you aren't beating them for the price....

Yes, individual 'freedom' has a cost, but when it comes down to social costs, all end up paying in the end regardless.. mostly those who complain here.

I simply won't be scared of a bill when calling an ambulance or visiting the doctor and yes, accept a reasonable cost for the privilege of one less invoice (and a big one at that) in my mailbox..  Just think about it next time you get one.  BTW a life with less stress even allows you to live longer..

[pokerintherear]

I really can't understand the debate about healthcare.

Of course you can't. You have never educated yourself on the law. And according to your location flag you don't have to live by it. Another important part of not understanding.

Here is what you should understand. The law is not about actual healthcare. I can walk into a local general practice doctor and get treatment for the clap tomorrow. It will be 1st class service as is with most healthcare in US. The problem the law creates is the question of weather I'm entitled to this service. How and who will pay. The 20 pages of paperwork for 1 visit. Can I pay the doctor cash? Most likely not. Who will be billed at what rate? Its outrageous, all from wanting to go to a doctor and get some antibiotics.

Again its not about actual healthcare. Its about the Federal Government controlling the money in the healthcare industry. Nothing good will come of this except prices becoming out of reach for an average citizen

Eventually this terrible law will have tentacles in every aspect of an Americans life. One day when you fly back to the USA don't be surprised if you see an added Obamacare fee on your airline ticket.

We need to tweek our healthcare system by getting Uncle Sam out of the business. When this happens the private healthcare markets will drive the prices way down.

You remember the argument you heard everyday? We must insure 30 million uninsured Americans. Well, so for only 2-5 million have signed up and 90% of them already had insurance. We will still have 30 million uninsured Americans 5 years from now. Of course the battle cry was this 2400 page law will fix this. Its all absurd and some people must be very gullible to fall for it.

The things you read about tanning bed tax, medical instrument tax, selling your home and on and on..........WTF does this have to do with me getting treated for the clap and handing the Doctor a $100.00 dollar bill and all is done.

[Faux Pas]

BC, perhaps you've been gone too long. Obamacare isn't anything close to what you seem to be enjoying in your adopted country. Not even in the same sphere. Familiarize yourself with it, how it's being implemented and who is feeling the effects of it then, get back to us.

[jone]

Of course you can't. You have never educated yourself on the law. And according to your location flag you don't have to live by it. Another important part of not understanding.

Here is what you should understand. The law is not about actual healthcare. I can walk into a local general practice doctor and get treatment for the clap tomorrow. It will be 1st class service as is with most healthcare in US. The problem the law creates is the question of weather I'm entitled to this service. How and who will pay. The 20 pages of paperwork for 1 visit. Can I pay the doctor cash? Most likely not. Who will be billed at what rate? Its outrageous, all from wanting to go to a doctor and get some antibiotics.

Again its not about actual healthcare. Its about the Federal Government controlling the money in the healthcare industry. Nothing good will come of this except prices becoming out of reach for an average citizen

Eventually this terrible law will have tentacles in every aspect of an Americans life. One day when you fly back to the USA don't be surprised if you see an added Obamacare fee on your airline ticket.

We need to tweek our healthcare system by getting Uncle Sam out of the business. When this happens the private healthcare markets will drive the prices way down.

You remember the argument you heard everyday? We must insure 30 million uninsured Americans. Well, so for only 2-5 million have signed up and 90% of them already had insurance. We will still have 30 million uninsured Americans 5 years from now. Of course the battle cry was this 2400 page law will fix this. Its all absurd and some people must be very gullible to fall for it.

The things you read about tanning bed tax, medical instrument tax, selling your home and on and on..........WTF does this have to do with me getting treated for the clap and handing the Doctor a $100.00 dollar bill and all is done.

I always wondered who my girlfriend got the clap from.

[2tallbill]

 Last night the president of France, Francois Hollande, and the Obamas and 350 of their closest friends dined on caviar and quail eggs, dry-aged rib-eye steak served with blue cheese, charred shallots, oyster mushrooms, and braised chard. 

They dined in the gigantic tent lavishly decorated to replicate a Monet painting of spring in sunny France.  Outside the tent, 17 degrees. For dessert, they enjoyed cake made with chocolate from Hawaii, Florida tangerines, and cotton candy dusted with orange zest. 



Michelle Obama wore a designer dress estimated to have cost $12,000, designed by Carolina Herrera.  Today, President Obama will give another speech about the horrors of income inequality.

[Turboguy]

The Americans With No Abilities Act (or the ANAA), it will be a major legislative goal by advocates of the millions of Americans who lack any real skills or ambition.

 

Can the name of that be changed to The Americans with No Abilities Legislation.   Then it could be abbreviated more meaningfully to ANAL

[Slumba]

It will continue until there is widespread civil disobedience - people simply ignoring stupid laws.

For instance, in the state of Connecticut, a hastily passed gun registration law that makes unregistered gun possession a Class D felony (1 to 5 years of prison, fine up to $5000) has had shocking results - an estimated 100,000 plus have simply ignored the law.  Now the lawmakers are backtracking, saying they don't intend widespread prosecution of people who don't comply, etc.

[BillyB]

Want to continue paying double what others in the world pay and get less in terms of longevity and quality of life?

Yeah go right ahead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita

Government run health care will not drive the prices down and in the end, people will pay more and/or get less quality health care for their money. If the government forced down the wages of American doctors and nurses to that of their FSU equivalents, then prices will go down.


Health care between America and Europe doesn't make much difference when it comes to life span. Why are Americans not living as long as Europeans? America counts miscarriages as deaths and Europe doesn't count those babies as human which in turn doesn't weigh against their life span. America has a lot of minorities and most are Hispanic and African Americans who do not live near as long as Europeans bringing our average life span down. We spend more time in cars and have more deaths related to driving. Americans are fat! You guys should try our diet and see if your health care will keep you living just as long. If everything was equal, then we could factor in health care and we may find out European life spans may be less than Americans.


Quality of life? Besides being big eaters, Americans are huge consumers. We buy a lot of toys. We have the best security and stability in the world. Don't take my word for it. People vote with their feet and if given a choice, most people would want to live in America. But.....if America starts copying Europe to the point there is no difference between us, people of the world could easily choose Europe over America. America is different and I prefer it to stay that way. Obamacare brings us closer to Europe.

[Muzh]

[2tallbill]

Muzh you honestly believe that

Obama care is not terrible?
People won't lose jobs?
That it won't cost us a trillion per year more?
That Obama hasn't lied about nearly everything that Obamacare would do?
That we can continue spending at this level?

In 230 years the national debt accumulated to 10 Trillion dollars.
In 5 years Obama has amassed 7 trillion more and refuses to cut
ONE dollar in spending on anything. He insists on massive increases
in every single federal program.

Obama policies are suicide for America

[2tallbill]

[2tallbill]

As American voters watch ObamaCare continue its Godzilla-like rampage across the national health-care landscape, it's worth considering the collateral damage this political monster may be doing to the Democratic brand itself. What if ObamaCare's problems become a metaphor for the modern Democratic Party? Two portents emerged the past week.

The United Auto Workers suffered a humiliating defeat at Volkswagen VOW3.XE 
in Tennessee. And days before that loss, voters in San Diego elected Republican
Kevin Faulconer mayor after he teed up his opponent as a captive of the city's public unions. Two big constituencies sacked in a week.

The Democrats' problem is that we live in the brutal age of brand maintenance. Ask BlackBerry, Sony,  Target or Lululemon LULU. The horror of falling off the curve is that, seemingly overnight, enthusiasm for one's brand can evaporate. There is no reason why a political party should be immune to this new imperative.

Out in the world beyond what Washington manufactures and spins, no one would get away with putting out a product as flawed as ObamaCare. Today's public won't accept that kind of performance. From the largest consumer-product companies down to the local sandwich shop, you've got to deliver the goods at a sustained level of competent execution. Not everyone deserves a gold badge from J.D. Power, but by and large it has become very difficult to sustain a shoddy product in the marketplace anymore.

Except the government. And the Democratic Party is nothing if not the party whose identity is bound up with government services and the public unions that deliver those services.

Good enough for government work was once just a joke. Some years ago I sat with a roomful of people in lower Manhattan's federal Social Security office for a half hour with no discernible forward movement. The clerks seemed to have disappeared. Suddenly a frustrated lady shot up and screamed, "This place is worse than the department of motor vehicles!" To which the guard at the door responded: "Oh no, ma'am. They're still worse than we are."

For decades, voters have passed off this mediocrity as the sometimes maddening bureaucratic price for living in a large, complex country. No longer. With every new reboot of ObamaCare—glitches to the horizon, the constant revision of the law's rules, policies canceled and resurrected at higher cost—more of America's workaday Dilberts are seeing that the Democrats' performance benchmarks would get anyone else fired. Nowhere else could you get away with arguing a product like this is at least better than nothing.

And they won't even apologize! When the first ObamaCare problems erupted, its supporters said: It's the law, get over it. Even now, the smart alecks in the Obama administration responsible for ObamaCare, backed by a chorus of left-wing wonks in the media, make it sound as if you are too dense to comprehend the law's inevitable benefits.

The Democratic Party and especially the left have for years been demoting standards of performance for pretty much everything. Whether it's the work product of the public unions, the quality of Medicaid's medicine, admission criteria for colleges or even standards of personal behavior, measuring up has been devalued. It's no accident that one of the most used words of our time is, "Whatever."

Once public employees became unionized, the process was never accountable to anything. The inevitable weaknesses simply metastasized. Work rules and pension obligations proliferated under politicized collective-bargaining agreements until the system bogged down into an expensive morass that won't change and won't reform. But it changed the Democrats into a pure public-sector party.

Now even liberal Democrats have begun to distance themselves from this legacy. Last May in Los Angeles of all places, Democrat Eric Garcetti defeated Wendy Greuel for mayor by turning her union endorsements into a liability.

But for decades most Democrats have been floating through this low-performance public milieu, where standards of any sort can be diluted, if not wholly ignored. The idea that the $824 billion stimulus was for "shovel-ready" projects has become a butt of the government joke circuit. This sloppy mindset outputted ObamaCare, by acclamation the party's biggest product since Medicare. It looks like a Rube Goldberg machine.

The Rube Goldberg Democrats means that whether from laziness or arrogance, the party is now producing political contraptions that are monuments to inefficiency, incomprehension and unworkability. Before ObamaCare, it often went unnoticed. But the health-care law sits out in plain view, letting every voter connect the dots between political promise and nonperformance.

No quick patch is likely for a brand problem on this scale. Congressional Democrats Ann Kirkpatrick of Arizona and Joe Garcia in Florida have produced ads saying they fought the glitches but now want to "fix" the contraption. Millions will be spent repositioning the party's image.

The GOP could still blow their historic opportunity this year. Brands collapse because consumers have good choices. It may be true that ObamaCare has exposed the Democrats as a party of bells, whistles and rotating pinwheels. But absent a better product, it will lumber forward.

read all about it here
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304275304579393170982048760?mod=Opinion_newsreel_2

[2tallbill]

Senate Democrats: Why Didn’t Someone Tell Us Obamacare Would Cut Medicare?

North Carolina Sen. Kay Hagan and other vulnerable Senate Democrats are now whacking the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid… for enacting changes required by Obamacare. Hey, Senator Hagan, if you want to blame someone, blame the foolish
or dishonest lawmakers who voted for the law!

Wait a minute, that’s you!

In 2009, Senator Kay Hagan (D-NC) promised North Carolinians who depend on Medicare that she was going to “protect Medicare” and that they would “not see a
drop in their Medicare coverage.”


But in 2010 Kay Hagan voted to slash Medicare Advantage to pay for ObamaCare. (H.R. 4872, CQ Vote #72: Motion agreed to 56-42: R 0-40; D 54-2; I 2-0, 3/24/10, Hagan Voted Yea)


In North Carolina 463,159 seniors depend on Medicare Advantage plans (28% of all Medicare enrollees).


According to America’s Health Insurance Plans, in North Carolina, seniors on Medicare Advantage plans experienced cost increases and benefit cuts of an estimated $50-60 per month as a result of this year’s 6 percent cut to the program due to ObamaCare.


Now, as North Carolina seniors are being crushed under the weight of ObamaCare
and as her own poll numbers plummet, Kay Hagan admits in a letter to Centers
for Medicare & Medicaid that she cut Medicare for seniors after promising North
Carolinians that they wouldn’t “see a drop in their Medicare coverage”


read more here
http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/371539/senate-democrats-why-didnt-someone-tell-us-obamacare-would-cut-medicare-jim

[2tallbill]

Fourth Georgia hospital closes due to Obamacare payment cuts

The fourth Georgia hospital in two years is closing its doors due to severe financial difficulties caused by Obamacare’s payment cuts for emergency services.

The Lower Oconee Community Hospital is, for now, a critical access hospital in southeastern Georgia that holds 25 beds. The hospital is suffering from serious cash-flow problems, largely due to the area’s 23 percent uninsured population, and hopes to reopen as “some kind of urgent care center,” CEO Karen O’Neal said.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/18/fourth-georgia-hospital-closes-due-to-obamacare-payment-cuts/#ixzz2tsgiMOWQ

[2tallbill]

Obama: Signing Up for Obamacare Is 'Just Part of Growing Up'

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-signing-obamacare-just-part-growing_781710.html

[2tallbill]

Man’s Back Surgery On Hold As Doctors Deny Covered California Coverage

SONORA (CBS13) — A Sonora mechanic is in so much pain that he can barely walk, but he can’t seem to find a doctor to fix his ailing back after he and his wife switched their insurance coverage through Covered California.

Chris Dunn reached out to CBS13 hoping we could get answers.
He needs his surgery yesterday. But instead of scheduling his date, he and his wife are navigating a confusing maze of doctors and insurance plans.

UPDATE: Another CBS13 Viewer Says Doctors Denying Covered California Plan
“Then it goes down, my feet are numb, like I can do this, and I can’t feel it at all,” he said.

His ailing back has him in almost constant agonizing pain. He walks with a limp and hasn’t had a good night’s sleep in months.

“I can’t sleep on my back,” he said. “I roll around all night, because I can’t lay flat. I can’t lay anywhere for more than five, 10 minutes.”
He’s still working, despite the pain. But finding a surgeon to fix his back has turned into a full-time jobof its own.

“We get this coverage and go to the best doctor to fix Chris, and they tell us we’re out of network,” said his wife Tammy.

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2014/02/18/mans-back-surgery-on-hold-as-doctors-deny-covered-california-coverage/

[2tallbill]

OBAMACARE RECRUITING ILLEGALS IN CALIFORNIA

read about it here

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/02/14/Obamacare-Enrolling-Illegals-in-California?utm_source=e_breitbart_com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+February+14%2C+2014&utm_campaign=20140214_m119195347_Breitbart+News+Roundup%2C+February+14%2C+2014&utm_term=More

[ML]

There was another part of the ObamaCare package that didn't get much attention, but is now starting to hit hard.

A couple of older people I know who are drawing social security payments told me this:

Their social security payments are being reduced by over $200 a month.

One of them showed me the wording of the notification:

Your 2014 monthly deduction for the Medicare Part B premium is:   $104.90 for the standard Medicare premium, Plus $167.80 for the income-related monthly adjustment amount based on your 2012 income tax return.

And, there will be a extra deduction of $50.20 for prescription drug coverage, even as you have a private plan, based on your 2012 income tax return.


These reductions of social security payouts will go toward providing subsidized coverage for other folks.

These people I know have only have a standard social security income plus modest payouts from pension plans.

So try to take care of yourself for the future; and you will end up taking care of those who didn't try.

[tfcrew]

Take from the poor and give to the worthless.

[2tallbill]

[2tallbill]