Meeting in the Caribbean

[Boethius]

I grew up in LA..... 80+ all week....if I'm not skiing with the bunnies, when would I torcher myself and freeze my 'gadonias' off. My Cali tanned skin does not take kindly to 'unmild' winters!!! 
 
I don't understand the 'advising' of where to meet a girl. It's okay to say what you would do/not do but to tell someone else what they should do???? Just sayin

I don't know if it is advice, but it is common sense not to take a vacation together before you've met, is it not?  How many times have we read how a guy thinks he's hit it off with a woman, only to meet face to face and learn they have no chemistry?  Would you like to spend a week with someone who has no intention of developing a relationship with you?  At least if you go to Ukraine, if there is no chemistry, you have the opportunity to try to meet someone else.  If you do hit it off, you can vacation together another time.

[Ooooops]

[size=78%]Would you like to spend a week with someone who has no intention of developing a relationship with you?  [/size]

My assumption would be that there are 2 separate rooms in that scenario, no?

[Boethius]

That is how a gentleman would make the arrangements.    However, even with separate rooms, if you're in a resort area, chances are you will run into each other.  Plus, who wants to vacation alone?

[GQBlues]

Will you folks please stop with the lecture. The OP may not find that entertaining.

OP, you see, I'm looking out for you, hero.

[Ooooops]

  However, even with separate rooms, if you're in a resort area, chances are you will run into each other.  Plus, who wants to vacation alone?

Well...   Resort will be crawling with charter Russian groups, so in case of a flop....   

[mendeleyev]

Oh dear Ooops, I see that you've been to Turkey or Greece!

We sent youngest daughter and my latest MendeleyevJournal associate son-in-law to Turkey for their honeymoon a couple years back. Viktor and I have been close since they were courting and he couldn't wait to call and tell me about how their hotel was overrun with drunk Russians who were being slobs in the dining room and at the pool. We were both doing belly laughs and Mrs. M just wanted to have the phone so that she could talk to daughter and find out what was wrong.

I offered to call and move them to a different hotel but they were headed to another place along the water in a couple of days anyway, plus I think the drunk Russians were better entertainment than anything on Turkish TV.

[Ooooops]

Oh dear Ooops, I see that you've been to Turkey or Greece!

Actually, both.       But we've rented RVs there, can't stand packaged holidays.   

[Ooooops]

...plus I think the drunk Russians were better entertainment than anything on Turkish TV.

 


Trouble I'm having is admitting that I'm Russian in places like these.   I think that bad reputation is preceding so far ahead that it's not even funny any more...   

[mendeleyev]

Ooops, we'd love to spend unfettered time in both areas. Sometime back wife and daughters were part of a month long Orthodox camping experience in Greece and I was able to catch a weekend here and there. The history and things they were seeing made me very jealous. It was very interesting especially for them as I'm the only immediate family member who speaks no Greek at all.

There is so much to explore and see in Turkey and I've loved spending limited time along the Aegean coast. The time spent inside the Phanar, while interesting, seemed confining in comparison.  One of my bucket list items is to visit the Sumela Monastery built high into the mountain cliffs. The Turkish government allowed the Ecumenical Patriarch to reopen the monastery in limited fashion in 2010.

[Ooooops]

I'm sure you know, Mendy, about a bit of rivalry and uneasiness between Greece and Turkey.   But on the grass root level these two countries are very similar, at least to our observation (and talking to locals about it).   We loved traveling through both of them and would love to do it again sometime.   

[JayH]

 


Trouble I'm having is admitting that I'm Russian in places like these.   I think that bad reputation is preceding so far ahead that it's not even funny any more...   

Sounds like Australians in Bali !!  To embarrassing  to open mouth to be recognised as Australian !!
Goes to show that drunken boorish behaviour is not mutually exclusive .

[2tallbill]

I don't know if it is advice, but it is common sense not to take a vacation together before you've met, is it not?  How many times have we read how a guy thinks he's hit it off with a woman, only to meet face to face and learn they have no chemistry?  Would you like to spend a week with someone who has no intention of developing a relationship with you?  At least if you go to Ukraine, if there is no chemistry, you have the opportunity to try to meet someone else.  If you do hit it off, you can vacation together another time.

+1
excellent advice

[Shadow]

I know what you are trying to say, but you are mixing up concepts here:
'border', sex tourist, man, woman.

"i.e.  If someone travels from Vladivostok to Moscow and happens to have sex; that is OK."

That would be a woman traveling that route 99.9% of the time.
By default she can't be considered a 'sex tourist'.

"But if someone travels from Budapest to Kyiv and happens to have sex; then they are scum bag sex tourists."

That would be a man traveling that route 99.9% of the time.
He may or may not be considered a 'sex tourist'.

"And, I suppose, when China takes over everything up to Ural mountains, then the Vladivostok to Moscow excursions will also have a change of designation."

That would be a woman traveling that route 99.9% of the time.
This time, moving across a border would enter into the picture.

Being a woman, she still wouldn't be considered a 'sex tourist'.

Now if we introduce a Kiev to DR trip or Moscow to DR trip, then we have a border situation for both the man and woman.

The woman, by default, would not be considered a sex tourist (should sex occur).
The man, may or may not be considered a sex tourist (should sex occur) depending on your personal bias.

In the light of equality of sexes I find it rather discomforting that only men should be seen as sex tourists.
Any person who travels away from home with the intention of having unpaid sex should be earning this label, regardless if they are male or female.

[chip]

I don't know if it is advice, but it is common sense not to take a vacation together before you've met, is it not?  How many times have we read how a guy thinks he's hit it off with a woman, only to meet face to face and learn they have no chemistry?  Would you like to spend a week with someone who has no intention of developing a relationship with you?  At least if you go to Ukraine, if there is no chemistry, you have the opportunity to try to meet someone else.  If you do hit it off, you can vacation together another time.

I think you're splitting hairs. Is it "vacation together" if I spend a week in her hometown and we spend all of our time together? I am certainly "on vacation". What about when I met my Swedish wife and she came to spend a week with me? That felt like a vacation to me.

So, if we both travel to Kiev, that is certainly a vacation for both of us. And so a week in the Caribbean is the most obvious vacation since it is a common vacation destination.

The main point is, we will spend a week together, getting to know each other. That is the uncommon aspect of the whole deal. The venue may add or subtract from our enjoyment of time together. It probably won't play the defiing role in our getting to know each other, but you can't dismiss the fact that if we are both in a good mood due to our surroundings, it might go even better.

I think your "common sense" only works in a more traditional sense, where we are both from the same place and have the opportunity to take it slow. In that context, a vacation at such an early point is moving way too fast and would not be healthy. There is nothing "common" about international dating.

[TomT]

Why don't we just build circular arguments to support our positions? That would be productive.

[LAman]

I don't know if it is advice, but it is common sense not to take a vacation together before you've met, is it not?  How many times have we read how a guy thinks he's hit it off with a woman, only to meet face to face and learn they have no chemistry?  Would you like to spend a week with someone who has no intention of developing a relationship with you?  At least if you go to Ukraine, if there is no chemistry, you have the opportunity to try to meet someone else.  If you do hit it off, you can vacation together another time.

Common sense is not always common.....
Boe...your talking to the choir. I agree with what you have said but me...... you, many others here choose to do what we think is right. Not everyone will choose the same and it's everyone's choice.  If someone doesn't want to accept advise or someone else's experience it's his problem if things go astray and he will certainly get the 'I told you so'.
 
Question Bo....Is friendship part of a relationship??
 

[GQBlues]

Lecturing Warning #2: Please tone down the non-entertaining lectures.

I can understand the OP's intent, I'm not sure why it seems difficult to you guys to do so. He knows what he's doing ok?

He wants to bang the woman silly in a faraway place so she won't have a choice whether to submit to that or not. This way he can best determine if she's worth the trouble to visit in her hometown for seconds...

So let's get back to the original topic. where in the Caribbean can someone like the OP bang his plan down at?

[chip]

Why don't we just build circular arguments to support our positions? That would be productive.

Tom, I don't think logical fallacies are your strong suit. Let's look at your reasoning skills.

RE: the recent kerfuffle in this topic which had to be moved to new location...
1. I posted a note to get some friends on VK.com.

2. Your resident ******* google's my name, finds an article about my proposal, which got national attention, and declares me to be cheating on fiancé.

3. The ******* posts his false accusations, links and the name of my ex over and over in a public forum, easy to find with google (which was his aim of course).

4. I come back to find all this, and asked him to retract it and failing that for the moderator to moderate.

5. You then use your superior logical skills and deliver the following judgment.

Chip,

GQ's delivery notwithstanding, you made a spectacle  of your recent proposal and then petitioned moderation to remove the evidence of your foolishness. ...

So, in your opinion, the shit storm was all my fault... because... I made a "spectacle" of my proposal. That's what we call a "non sequitur" Tom. It does not follow.

Ancillary judgments: ******* gets a -1 for style. My proposal was "foolishness". 

So, now that we have your logical bona fides all in order, why don't you explain how my post was a circular argument.

[Boethius]

Tom was referring to this post:


http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=16549.msg345655#msg345655

[GQBlues]

...So, now that we have your logical bona fides all in order, why don't you explain how my post was a circular argument.

Easy. Because you are as clueless then as you are now. None of your ramblings above is even remotely plausible much less accurate.

What are you so darn afraid of if this woman Google-find your thread, hero? Isn't she going to the Caribbean with you anyway?  For sheer entertainment, go ahead and Google REDACTED and see what you'll find. The woman you're engaged to isn't the only one who has that name, hero.

[ML]

My assumption would be that there are 2 separate rooms in that scenario, no?

Ooooops, were you born in the last century?

What would be the purpose of 2 rooms?

These trips are primarily to determine sexual compatibility.  Other types of compatibility are not as important and can be overcome.

Oh you mean two rooms, as in the bathroom in a separate room?  Yes, that would be acceptable.

[chip]

Tom was referring to this post:
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=16549.msg345655#msg345655

Of course he was. And I referred to his comment on that post.

[TomT]

So, in your opinion, the shit storm was all my fault... because... I made a "spectacle" of my proposal.

I didn't write that the shit storm was all your fault. I don't think that inviting the media to a proposal is nearly as cool and classy as you seem to think that it is; that's all. You can call the Jerry Springer crew and have them film your proposal in Punta Cana for all that I care.

[chip]

I didn't write that the shit storm was all your fault. I don't think that inviting the media to a proposal is nearly as cool and classy as you seem to think that it is; that's all. You can call the Jerry Springer crew and have them film your proposal in Punta Cana for all that I care.

Well, in case you need some pointers in the romance department, a wedding proposal done with total surprise and lots of class in front of an audience of her colleagues, friends and family gets high marks. Then when she gets to see it again on the nightly news and tape it, it's a huge bonus. Giving her family and friends back home the chance to read about it in their local paper and see it make the news on national websites and get passed around on FB... more bonus points. And the story she gets to tell for the rest of her life... priceless. The only thing that would have made it better is if we were still together.   Feel free to mock that, Tom. You and ******* are quite a pair.

[GQBlues]

Well, in case you need some pointers in the romance department, a wedding proposal done with total surprise and lots of class in front of an audience of her colleagues, friends and family gets high marks. Then when she gets to see it again on the nightly news and tape it, it's a huge bonus. Giving her family and friends back home the chance to read about it in their local paper and see it make the news on national websites and get passed around on FB... more bonus points. And the story she gets to tell for the rest of her life... priceless. The only thing that would have made it better is if we were still together.   Feel free to mock that, Tom. You and ******* are quite a pair.

Now had the suitor fared equally to the standard, I'm sure it would've lasted longer than 30 days...but at least the crew, the family, the city and gal herself have much to prove that sometimes behind all the fireworks, what you really have is just a whimper.


So anyway, enough lecturing...let's get back to the week-long surprise banger in the Caribbean.