English Speaking FSUW Versus Non-English Speaking FSUW

[Turboguy]

OneWeekWonder I am sure your wife will do great with a wonderful teacher like that who really knows who America's football team really is.   

Bruno, I agree with you.  Educated just means someone went to school a lot.  It doesn't mean they are smart.  Intelligent and smart are not always the same things either. 

good post KB

[ronin308]

KillerB, just to let you know, fate played a cruel joke on me.  I'm not the ronin from the other RWG, I just had the luck of picking a handle close to his.

[Killer-B]

LMAO!! Too funny - OK OK OK - I take it all back then

I'll assume (fate) that you are "Ron" - in - "308" area code - Too funny - Either way, well written... Almost as good as the Master

Cheers-

KB

(and thanks TG - Cheque's in the mail!)

[PeeWee]

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These sentence is very insulting for all people who have no prestige job...

The first think that you need to know is that intelligence is not related to the study level or the work...

I can use my own example : i am a gardener but ... I have a college diploma in Science and Mathematic, a University Gradua Analyst-programmer, a A2C Electro-mech ( one year intensive school, same level that college diploma ), a B2 Weapon technicus... of course, on the side, i have follow several other formation in foreign country ( Holland : Radar/Computer, Germany : Leadership, France : Mechanic/Hydraulic, USA : Rocketry, etc ... ).

So, a work is not related to the education level... and education is not related to intelligence level ( Einstein was very bad at school ). How much from these high educated people need to call a electrician for change a simple lamp !!!

Now for coming back to the language problem, who is not the real problem... I don't care if a girl know perfectly one of my know language... but i care about her wish to learn it... if you find a woman with a English knowledge from 7/10 but she is lazy and will not learn, she will always stay a 7/10... on the other side, a women 3/10 who wish learn can reach a 10/10 in one year or little more time...

Use the dating time for analyse the evolution of the language knowledge from your girlfriend... if it don't change in a positive way, beware... if it become better, just give her the time to allow her reach a high level...

Hey!! There is not much difference between an airline pilot and a bus driver either! In fact I know a bus driver that actually gets paid more per year than a lot of airline pilots that I know. Intelligence has no relationship to the work that you do or the study that you endured to gain your skill. How many FSU women who are doctors in FSU never practice medicine once they arrive in their new home country? Many do something else. Getting off topic I know but I wanted to chime in on this.

Peewee

[catzenmouse]

You will have a hard time finding a AM/RW couple that will say it was a piece of cake.

That is about as true as it gets.

 TG is right in that there is no one size fits all in how to do this. Whether it is a WOVO vs WMVM or Ukraine women vs Russian women or English speaking vs Non-English speaking. Each of us go at this differently. Different mindset, different wants/expectations, different goals and desired results. And each of us pays a different price in time and effort to get where we are/want to be.

 To ignore the multitude of good advice here is just plain silly BUT you must pick out the advice that is relevant to your individual case that will work for you. I think the worst thing you can do is to go about this adventure (and it IS a real adventure in every sense of the word) with an inflexible attitude you are bound to become a poster child for failure.

Ken

[Son of Clyde]

Sorry to be off topic but what the heck is  ¦nbsp; ?????

[catzenmouse]

It's the code for "non breaking space". How the software interpreted the space between the smilies.

[PeeWee]

It's the code for "non breaking space". How the software interpreted the space between the smilies.

It's a veriation of  :nbw   or "non breaking wind."  I don't know if any of you lads noticed it or not but women in general seem not to approve of it.

Peewee

[ronin308]

PeeWee I hate to say this but anymore there isn't a huge skills or intelligence jump between a pilot and a bus driver.  Also I'll bet the majority of the pilots that get paid similiar to bus drivers work for a regional airline.   Ship captains are another example, they make $150k but all it takes to be a ship captain is to spend 10 years in the industry with causing a major accident.  In general though it's hard to judge the intelligence requirements of a job by its pay.

I agree though that using jobs to determine the intelligence and intelectual capacity of a person can be shortsighted, you need to take the whole person into context, after all that shop girl could be an asipiring author who wanted a low maintainence job until she can sell her first story.  Of course it's a lot easier to learn about this whole person if you share a language.

Ken is correct in that you need to pick the advice suited for you, although there are going to be some inviolable "commandments" just like there are in many things in life.

As to the nbsp I don't know how those got into the post but they're annoying.

[Killer-B]

As to the nbsp I don't know how those got into the post but they're annoying.

I was gonna ask Dan about this last night (but was too tired) - for it seems to be showing up in allot of posts - and I'm not even trying to insert a smiley or whatever - so just chalked it up to the new software, and it being a glitch - Any thoughts as how to avoid or resolve?

RON-in-308 and others - I think ya'll are correct - there is no one hard and fast "rule" for everyone... But read and learn - then choose what is (or works) best for you...

Bruno - Your comments are SPOT ON about disparity in the work force - and "education" vs. "real life" - We call it "book smarts" vs. "street smarts"... I agree with you

As to Pilots - PeeWee - I'll assume by your avatar and comments you are one? I have my PPL and going for my CPL - Right seat (even if I flew every friggin' day) with an RJ would net me at best $60K-75K a year - Not so great - but better than teaching LOL

Peace!

KB

[Son of Clyde]

I would like to go on one first class flight in my lifetime. Once where the flight attendant will know my name and cater to my every need. They will call me Mister  Clyde and not "hey you, will you have coffee or tea?"

[jb]

PeeWee said:

Hey!! There is not much difference between an airline pilot and a bus driver either!

and then:
ronin308 said:

I hate to say this but anymore there isn't a huge skills or intelligence jump between a pilot and a bus driver.

I hate to be continually argumentative, but I reckon neither of you know much about what it takes, skill-wise and proficiency-wise to fly a commercial airliner carrying passengers these days compared to a bus driver. 

[Wild Orchid*]

How many FSU women who are doctors in FSU never practice medicine once they arrive in their new home country? Many do something else. Peewee

And how many American doctors would be able to practice medicine if they decided to live in Russia? Many would have to do something else or go home. I have degree in mathematics, but I experienced problems trying to explain school program in math to my son. I know everything in Russian, but I knew little in English.

[Killer-B]

Neither of you know much about what it takes, skill-wise and proficiency-wise to fly a commercial airliner carrying passengers these days compared to a bus driver.

Would have to agree with ya there jb...

Next time you fly remember the following, taught to every pilot ever born - (and apparently bus drivers too now! LOL)

1. Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.

2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, then they get bigger again.

3. Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous.

4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up there than up there wishing you were down here.

5. The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.

6. The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot starts sweating.

7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.

8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again.

9. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.

10. You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes full power to taxi to the ramp.

11. The probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival. Large angle of arrival, small probability of survival and vice versa.

12. Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes earlier.

12a. Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps talking about might be another airplane going in the opposite direction. Reliable sources also report that mountains have been known to hide out in clouds.

14. Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal to the number of take offs you've made.

15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately no one knows what they are.

16. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.

17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them.

18. If all you can see out of the window is ground that's going round and round and all you can hear is commotion coming from the passenger compartment, things are not at all as they should be.

19. In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminium going hundreds of miles per hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose.

20. Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.

21. It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going forward as much as possible.

22. Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed.

23. Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. And it's not subject to repeal.

24. The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude above you, runway behind you and a tenth of a second ago.

25. There are old pilots and there are bold pilots. There are, however, no old bold pilots.

[SANDRO43]

Killer-B :

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[viking]

Killer B

I loved it!! I remember some of those sayings when I flew Luscomb 8Fs with floats and my Cessena 150 many years ago. But it also reminded me of another small story that may be appropriate.

One man goes over to the very successhul man and asks about the secret to his success.
The second man replies: "Two words. Smart decisions".
The man then asks how did he learn to make smart decisions? The successful man says: "One word, Experience".
The first man then asks how did you get the experience? The reply was : "Two words, Wrong decisions".

So.. the bottom line here with regard to all this does she/should she/will she speak english and at what level and when and how, yada, yada,yada, is IMHO, this: One word Experience. Go out, meet ladies, have fun, learn what makes you happy, what turns you on, what you are willing to deal with/compromise on/settle for, whatever, and then when you meet the right one it's not going to matter anyway. Don't sweat the small stuff and all this is the small stuff. And just in case someone wants to know what the big stuff is: Yes, I woke up this morning.

[PeeWee]

PeeWee said:
and then:
ronin308 said:
I hate to be continually argumentative, but I reckon neither of you know much about what it takes, skill-wise and proficiency-wise to fly a commercial airliner carrying passengers these days compared to a bus driver.& ;

No, I would know nothing about buses...that is for sure.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

I was gonna ask Dan about this last night (but was too tired) - for it seems to be showing up in allot of posts - and I'm not even trying to insert a smiley or whatever - so just chalked it up to the new software, and it being a glitch - Any thoughts as how to avoid or resolve?

RON-in-308 and others - I think ya'll are correct - there is no one hard and fast "rule" for everyone... But read and learn - then choose what is (or works) best for you...

Bruno - Your comments are SPOT ON about disparity in the work force - and "education" vs. "real life" - We call it "book smarts" vs. "street smarts"... I agree with you

As to Pilots - PeeWee - I'll assume by your avatar and comments you are one? I have my PPL and going for my CPL - Right seat (even if I flew every friggin' day) with an RJ would net me at best $60K-75K a year - Not so great - but better than teaching LOL

Peace!

KB

Timing is everything, KB. Here is one example of an aviation career that has spanned 20 years.
1. Fly by night cargo company 5 years
2. East Coast regional carrier 3 years.
3. West Coast regional 2 years.
4. West Coast small major 5 years right seat MD-90
5. Small WC major gets bought by Legacy carrier. Last 5 years right seat MD-80.
6 . Next 5 years?  Reserve, right seat, 767...not as fat as the 767 in the avitar but the same airplane.

Not until you reach step 4 do you make over 75K per year? Depends on many things however. And then about once every 3 years or so you might get a 10% 20% pay cut because some clown didn't know how to run the airline or ran it down. All of this does not happen with bus compaines by the way. I have a pal who has been driving buses for about 20 years now he is doing about 65K annually, has great benefits, job security, and will retire from a city/government job. Nice.

Advice? If you have a dream, pay your dues, hope for a great economy, find some luck, and then go for it. By now you have a great wife that you found in the FSU. You have some kids, a dog, a nice home, a fat belly, and you have your dream.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

Well I have to admit if I have to have a fender bender I would rather be in a Bus but both the bus driver and the pilot have a lot of lives in their hands and need to be competent.

Getting a little quiet here lately.  I wish jb or BC or Ken C would say something so I could argue with them and get a little controversy going.  

Well, let me try to say something controversial so we can, oh I will behave myself.  What I was going to say would be off topic for this thread anyway.

[PeeWee]

And how many American doctors would be able to practice medicine if they decided to live in Russia? Many would have to do something else or go home. I have degree in mathematics, but I experienced problems trying to explain school program in math to my son. I know everything in Russian, but I knew little in English.

Would any American doctors even what to practice medicine in the FSU? I had talked to someone at the AMA a few months back. He told me, among other things, that 25% of the current practicing doctors are doctors trained in a country other than the US. I said before that the doctor neighbor to my left is from Indonesia and the one across the street from me is here from Hong Kong. The lady that I am currently communicating with is a doctor of 20 years and I  hope that if she arrives here and if she wants to continue being a doctor that between the two of us we can determine how we can accomplish it because I know it is very possible as evidenced by my two neighbors. Only if that is what she wants to do.

Peewee

[Killer-B]

I had talked to someone at the AMA a few months back. He told me, among other things, that 25% of the current practicing doctors are doctors trained in a country other than the US.

PeeWee - Seems the good 'ol US of A is the only place with "open doors" still... I've only been back in the States for several months now - but it is clear to me that "other countries" are clearly closing their borders - as well as "opportunities"...

I just got this newsletter today from an associate in the UK (ironically) touching on this same topic (foreign doctors) - I thought it was interesting.... and kinda falls in line with what you've observed and said...

"Bring me your tired and weary....."  ************************************************
UK doctors disgruntled with new postgraduate immigration policy.
April 21, mainly overseas doctors demonstrated their displeasure at the new immigration rules that will make it difficult for doctors who qualified from outside the EU to remain for postgraduate training. Denis C Wilkins President of the Association of Surgeons of Great Britain and Ireland has said that the new rules move away from selection based on merit.

"For more years than I can remember, doctors from the Indian sub-continent and other Commonwealth nations have been the backbone of the National Health Service in the UK. A change in Britain's immigration system means many of these doctors will have to make way for EU doctors who want to work in the UK," said Nordqvist of Medical News Today.

The new rule, which comes into effect from July 2006, has come as a blow to non-EU qualified doctors who have been undertaking postgraduate training in the UK. Postgraduate students who qualified as doctors in non-EU countries will no longer be able to complete their postgraduate training in the NHS unless they came under the work permit or HSMP schemes. According to the Joint Council for the Welfare of Immigrants, there are 15,000 doctors undertaking postgraduate training who will be affected by this new rule.

[Killer-B]

Advice? If you have a dream, pay your dues, hope for a great economy, find some luck, and then go for it. By now you have a great wife that you found in the FSU. You have some kids, a dog, a nice home, a fat belly, and you have your dream.

Peewee

Wanted to separate this out from the Rx stuff above...

I got an offer to train/work with Continental RJ's - I think the key in your "dream" commentary, is that of "a good economy"... I started this back in the early 90's - and watched airline after airline fail - Then 911 pretty much wiped out my "dream"...

I agree with your career assessment - And I based my comments on this "offer" which is basically me glued to the right seat for forever and a day @ $18/hr. (with the promise to $21) but still, just doing "rough math" - you're talking allot of hours to hit $65K... And that's assuming the airlines stays in biz...

I'm too old to start this as "a career" - so will keep it current as a "hobby"... and take it day by day...

As to the rest?

Kids - Check
House - Check
Dog - Check
FSU woman? - Working on it -
Fat and Happy - Double Check!

Cheers,

KB

[ronin308]

I thought Peewee might have some stick time.  While I am not a commercial pilot I do have a license.  Work does involve the aviation industry among many things.
Several of my friends are commercial pilots as well.  They also have "problems" due to 9-11.
Pay and respect is dirt unless you're  either a major cargo pilot or work for a decent size carrier.

While pilots have some strict currency requirements and I respect many of them as individuals, the job itself doesn't require an intellectual genius and it's getting easier with the efis and other systems that now permeate the industry.

[Killer-B]

Killer B

I loved it!! I remember some of those sayings when I flew Luscomb 8Fs with floats and my Cessena 150 many years ago. But it also reminded me of another small story that may be appropriate.

***********************************************************
One word Experience. Go out, meet ladies, have fun, learn what makes you happy, what turns you on, what you are willing to deal with/compromise on/settle for, whatever, and then when you meet the right one it's not going to matter anyway. Don't sweat the small stuff and all this is the small stuff. And just in case someone wants to know what the big stuff is: Yes, I woke up this morning.

8F's and 150's kinda dating yourself there Viking

Just kidding - I'm just happy to poke around in my 172 ...

Glad this brought back some good memories - and that it struck a chord with someone -

As far as your (wise) advice - There's really nothing more I can add... It's all Spot On IMHO-

Take care of the little stuff, and you won't have any "big stuff" to sweat...

Cheers -

KB

[PeeWee]

Wanted to separate this out from the Rx stuff above...

I got an offer to train/work with Continental RJ's - I think the key in your "dream" commentary, is that of "a good economy"... I started this back in the early 90's - and watched airline after airline fail - Then 911 pretty much wiped out my "dream"...

I agree with your career assessment - And I based my comments on this "offer" which is basically me glued to the right seat for forever and a day @ $18/hr. (with the promise to $21) but still, just doing "rough math" - you're talking allot of hours to hit $65K... And that's assuming the airlines stays in biz...

I'm too old to start this as "a career" - so will keep it current as a "hobby"... and take it day by day...

As to the rest?

Kids - Check
House - Check
Dog - Check
FSU woman? - Working on it -
Fat and Happy - Double Check!

Cheers,

KB

9/11 cut short a lot of aviation careers including that of John Travolta the actor. He had hired on with Qantas, had completed his training here at Boeing in Seattle and was qualified to fly the 747. Just as he was ready to fly the line with Qantas 9/11 happened and he never flew. Although he did converet his personal 707-100 into a Qantas replica and flew it around the world on a goodwill tour. I do not know if he has repainted it back to its original color yet. The last version I saw what the Qantas version. This is way off topic yet interesting for me so I replied.

Oh...I know...John Travolt speaks a version of English. Not sure which but he does. My lady friend does well with her English on the phone and in letters. I think her vocabulary is actually larger than mine. I have to look up some of the words that she uses from time to time.

Peewee