English Speaking FSUW Versus Non-English Speaking FSUW

[Wild Orchid*]

Would any American doctors even what to practice medicine in the FSU? I had talked to someone at the AMA a few months back. He told me, among other things, that 25% of the current practicing doctors are doctors trained in a country other than the US. I said before that the doctor neighbor to my left is from Indonesia and the one across the street from me is here from Hong Kong. The lady that I am currently communicating with is a doctor of 20 years and I  hope that if she arrives here and if she wants to continue being a doctor that between the two of us we can determine how we can accomplish it because I know it is very possible as evidenced by my two neighbors. Only if that is what she wants to do.

Peewee

The difference is that almost all those doctors migrating to US and other English speaking countries studied medicine in their home countries in English. We can’t say the same about Russian doctors. Your girlfriend will have to learn all terminology in English, and if her English is far from perfect it won’t be easy.

Ok, American doctors don’t want to work in Russia, but were else can they work except English speaking countries without help of interpreter?  How many Americans speak other language besides English? 

[PeeWee]

The difference is that almost all those doctors migrating to US and other English speaking countries studied medicine in their home countries in English. We can’t say the same about Russian doctors. Your girlfriend will have to learn all terminology in English, and if her English is far from perfect it won’t be easy.

Ok, American doctors don’t want to work in Russia, but were else can they work except English speaking countries without help of interpreter?  How many Americans speak other language besides English? 

This is pretty much what my neighbor told me. She reminded me that a foreign speaking doctor has to still communicate with her patients, or move into the a science field where terminology is more universal in nature and comminication is less important. Fortunate for Lena she has two things going for her. She is a genius, I think, and her English is good, to the point that I actually think that her vocabulary is larger than mine. I seldom hear some of the words that she comes up with. Brilliant doctors will find the work they want to find where they want to find it if that is the desire that truely burns in their heart. My neighbor was one year in study from the time she arrived from Burma until she was certified as a doctor here in the US. And she said it was not the least bit easy to do but it can be done. The key to it is that one must have the desire to pursue it.

Peewee

[PeeWee]

I had all of the confindence in the world that Mark could get this thead back on course.

Peewee

[jb]

OK, I give up, you win.

From now on I am going to advocate MarkInTx's methodology and tell the newbies that to make more than one trip to the FSU is a waste of time and money.  He should not worry if he can't talk to the woman because we know these women are all highly motivated to learn English and are the best wife material in the world, and of course, very honest.  I'll even say that he doesn't need an interperter when he meets a girl because it only costs extra and he should rely upon his intuition anyway.  Under no circumstances should he bother to learn a single word of Russian since she's going to be living in his world anyway, and besides, it's a pain in the ass.  All those funny letters they use to write with are beyond comprehension anyway.

After all, doesn't the MOB agency website tell us these things are the facts of life everyone knows about the Russian culture?.  This way a fellow can just pick out a beautiful girl from a MOB on-line catalog and use whatever criteria that appeals to him, much the same as he would use when selecting a puppy from the pet store.   As long as she is cute, smiles a lot and fu@ks like a mink in heat, she's a great wife prospect.  A man should primarily be aiming to get pretty face and a sexy body, she can even be a high school drop-out and dumber than snot because he just wants her for sex anyway.  And most importantly, she should also be at least 20 years his junior, although 30 years would be better.  There is simply no need to research anything further than how to send Western Union MoneyGrams to Ukraine because this is the sure way to buy a beautiful girl's love and affection. 

It will greatly simplify the entire process if we would all band together and write to enough Congressmen and get them to change the law so we won't have to go to the FSU to meet the woman in person.  Russia and Ukraine are just third world countries and are not very pleasant to visit anyway, so it would be better to just be able to send money for the visa and ticket and have the girl show up on your doorstep after a few weeks.  .

[BC]

Yeah I remember MarkInTx's posts..  every third sentence had to include a mandatory 'my wife is [add any positive quality]...' statement.  It actually sent shivers up my spine.

Sorta like the guy that gets duped into buying a lemon.. 'My car uses so little gas - a real mizer' when it won't start half the time and you see him always driving the second car.

Repeat something to yourself over and over and over and chaces are someday you might really believe it. Actually almost all of the guys that run into big trouble talked themselves right into it.

[PeeWee]

Yeah I remember MarkInTx's posts..¦nbsp; every third sentence had to include a mandatory 'my wife is [add any positive quality]...' statement.¦nbsp; It actually sent shivers up my spine.

Sorta like the guy that gets duped into buying a lemon.. 'My car uses so little gas - a real mizer' when it won't start half the time and you see him always driving the second car.

Repeat something to yourself over and over and over and chaces are someday you might really believe it. Actually almost all of the guys that run into big trouble talked themselves right into it.

Using your common sense and experience with any women have a lot to do with your chances of success. I always say if she looks like a whore then she probably is a whore and what you then get for your efforts is a woman with the mentality of a whore.

It seems to me that those citizens who live or have lived in the FSU have a mentality all of their own. The Soviet system really did this to them. The "screw or be screwed" mantra is very much still alive with in each of them. Lena was telling me that the roads in her city have become a joke. No repair to speak of. Three years ago Putin visits her city so in their wisdom the city fathers made sure that Putin rode on every bad road in the city. He was horrified. On returning to Moscow he ordered the equivilant of 10 million dollars sent to her city for road repair. Any road in her city never saw the that money. The joke of the city is that while they know the money arrived they do not know who got to keep it. Something like this happens often enough and someday the cynical side of  your psyche owns it. Along comes fat, dumb, and happy American Adventure Boy and every smart chick from St. Pete to Kiev and beyond to Vlad-k stands ready to pants him. While he is standing there with his pants around his knees,and his wallet a Benjamin or two ligher wondering what just happened they proceed to give him an atomic melvin just for good measure. Screw or be screwed...it's the Russian moto. Just know what you are dealing with and then proceed with both caution and a optomistic attidude because for every scammer there are some very fine ladys living over there.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

I am not even sure why I am posting this but I got a first letter back from a gal who made me think of this thread and some of the comments that jb and others have made.  I guess I am just curious to see what kind of conmments I get.

Here is the gals bio.  She speaks no English.  She tells me she does not have an education.  She works as a dispatcher for a taxi company.  Throw in two kids (from memory), 2 and 6.  She wrote a nice letter and seems like a nice person.  She is not beautiful but not bad.  Just curious how many guys would not give her the time of day and how many wouldn't care and what would bother you. 

Don't take this as me being ready to propose.  We have exchanged one letter and I am writing a lot of other gals too.  Comments?

[BC]

Turbo, you asked for comments:

How old? LOL

[Turboguy]

That I did BC.  I really was not asking in an "Is she right for me" type way so much as after all the comments about eduction and English ability and job status if guys in general would consider a gal like that.  Of couse the deciding factor for a lot of guys might be how low cut her dress was and how much was poping out. 

For me, I am writing her and non of that bothers me too much.  I am not sure I have her at the top of the list but when I read her letter it made me think of the comments in this post and photoguys.  As far as the age, I am not on my usual computer and don't have my stuff here.  I did a quick search but this computer is slow as molassas.  I think she is 27 but the age issue has been hashed around enough and if we throw that in we will get away from the opinions I was really looking for.

[Killer-B]

Throw in two kids (from memory), 2 and 6.
Comments?

Hey TG - I think you already know my thoughts on it all - Prime example if she's "worth it" and has caught your attention - then why not? Sounds sweet enough...

As others have also pointed out, now does SHE have the strength, fortitude, commitment to "learn" for you and her and "the family"??...

But TG - a 2 y.o. & 6 y.o?? - LOL - Wow.... Are you up for THAT??? Love that age (kids) - and you could transition into "dad" very easily with the 2 y.o.... Don't know enough about her situation to comment - but - Why not?

(I'll PM you later with some "gold" I recently found - Will give you the chance to practice your "Russian" some LOL)

Cheers -

KB -

PS: (read between the lines - What happened to (ahem!)?

PSS: Post a pic!!

[jb]

T/G,

I think you shouldn't just throw her away, you never know, it might just be a match made in heaven.

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[PeeWee]

That I did BC.  I really was not asking in an "Is she right for me" type way so much as after all the comments about eduction and English ability and job status if guys in general would consider a gal like that.  Of couse the deciding factor for a lot of guys might be how low cut her dress was and how much was poping out. 

For me, I am writing her and non of that bothers me too much.  I am not sure I have her at the top of the list but when I read her letter it made me think of the comments in this post and photoguys.  As far as the age, I am not on my usual computer and don't have my stuff here.  I did a quick search but this computer is slow as molassas.  I think she is 27 but the age issue has been hashed around enough and if we throw that in we will get away from the opinions I was really looking for.

Turbo, sometimes its the one that you do not notice at first that ends up lighting your fire. I had that happen to me, in a way. To answer your question, for me, I do not look at the job. She is not going to do that job when she gets here anyway. I do notice the number of children and their ages. That is such an individual choice. Some of us want no children or already grown children. Some of us want the little ones and hope to have more.

So what does that leave? Age? Again, age is an individual choice. I have been looking at about 15 years or less younger than me.  Beauty? Eye of the beholder stock answer. What does it hurt to come to know her better?

About two months ago I got an email from a woman but because I would have to buy her address I did not bother responding to her. About 3 weeks later I found her photo and then realized that in some ways...she reminded me of Jenniffer Aniston. The eyes, nose, mouth area. So I bought the address and responded. I was not looking for a woman who lived out side of Moscow. But that face changed my mind and after writing enough letters and making enough phone calls I came to the realization that she one one very intelligent woman. A bit older than I would hope for and she lives in Central Russia. Since she has sent to me 10 photos of herself and in everyone of them she does not look like the same woman. So it is with women. The lighting, the time of day, make up, photographer. Time will tell for me as it will for you. I never say, "never."

Peewee

[Turboguy]

Thanks for the comments.  At this stage it is nothing serious.  Reading her letter brought to my mind some of the comments here about girls who don't know English being lazy and stupid and about lack of education and the conversations about shop girls and it made me curious what everyones reaction would be.  I think there were very good comments.  I agree jb, you never know which one will turn out to be the right one.

I don't think it would be good to post her photo Killer.  We just started to write.  Perhaps if it gets serious.  If you want to see what she looks like, pm me and I will give you a link to see her profile.

Right now I am in the prospecting stage with about 40-50 new letters going out a week.  I have two that are in the top of the heap.  The one I spent 11 days with in LA who has backed off her ultimatum and one I met once right before I met Luda and liked a lot and considered very seriously before meeting Luda.  We are back in touch and probably will spend some time together.  I have another 8 or so in a likely to meet stage.  The age range on those gals is from 45 down. (don't ask down to what :noidea:  Down pretty far.   I have about 30 or so that I am writing on a continuing basis and some of those may more up or out.  There is no one who is really standing out at this stage but some who seem very nice, well they all do in one way or another.

[PeeWee]

Thanks for the comments.  At this stage it is nothing serious.  Reading her letter brought to my mind some of the comments here about girls who don't know English being lazy and stupid and about lack of education and the conversations about shop girls and it made me curious what everyones reaction would be.  I think there were very good comments.  I agree jb, you never know which one will turn out to be the right one.

I don't think it would be good to post her photo Killer.  We just started to write.  Perhaps if it gets serious.  If you want to see what she looks like, pm me and I will give you a link to see her profile.

Right now I am in the prospecting stage with about 40-50 new letters going out a week.  I have two that are in the top of the heap.  The one I spent 11 days with in LA who has backed off her ultimatum and one I met once right before I met Luda and liked a lot and considered very seriously before meeting Luda.  We are back in touch and probably will spend some time together.  I have another 8 or so in a likely to meet stage.  The age range on those gals is from 45 down. (don't ask down to what :noidea:  Down pretty far.   I have about 30 or so that I am writing on a continuing basis and some of those may more up or out.  There is no one who is really standing out at this stage but some who seem very nice, well they all do in one way or another.

Man, Turbo, I need to be calling you Turbulation. You are one proactive guy. I do one at a time. Meet one, send letters, and they seem to stick for some reason. You got the shoot gun action going on where I would me more of a sniper sort.

Peewee

[Turboguy]

I have sworn off trips to meet one totally.  I have had some real disasters that way.  My last trip took the cake on disasters.  You probably did not notice Jack asking me when I was going to make a trip to meet only one in the chat today.  He knows the story of my last trip.  My answer was I was going to make a trip to meet one on the 12th.    That is the 12th of never to be exact. 

Hey, if it works for you PeeWee then that is what you should be doing.  To my way of thinking you can waste an awful lot of time that way.  I want to get this thing wrapped up so I can come here and talk about all the problems the married guys have.  I am planning two trips in the near future with intentions to meet about 5-6 per trip with 2-3 days each.   Then if I have not got a winner I may try one of Jack's thingys.   I have heard good things about them so it is possible.  Actually my son is developing an interest in FSU gals so I am thinking about going on one of Jacks sessions in the fall with my son.   That should make it interesting. 

[jb]

I want to get this thing wrapped up so I can come here and talk about all the problems the married guys have.

You wanna know what problems us married guys have?  Do you have any idea how bad it is, walking down the mall and losing your wife when you didn't notice you had passed a cosmetics store?  Or, if you are actually in a store and on your way to the hardware section to buy something you really need and there is a gardening section on the way that catches her eye.  I swear, keeping track of a Born Again RW Shopper when she's on the loose in a mall is full time job. And never, never ever think that you can stop briefly to pick up a single item from a store on your way somewhere else.  The most dreaded words in the English language to an RW are, "wait in the car, honey, I'll be right back".

All of this presupposes that you have married "the right RW".  It can get a lot worse.

[Turboguy]

Do you want to know the worst part jb.  I think it might be genetic.  I co-habitated with a girl that was half Russian a few years ago.  One time we went to the grocery store for bread and milk.  The bill was $ 178.00.  Another time she had invited my mother over for a meat loaf dinner.  The groceries for that dinner were $ 140.00  (for 3 people)  If they think it is bad with a wife, wait till the kids are teens and you have them all. 

[Jet]

Do you have any idea how bad it is, walking down the mall and losing your wife when you didn't notice you had passed a cosmetics store? 

LMFAO! This happened to me YESTERDAY 

"Sweetheart, let's stop in and check out....sweetheart? what the? Hey Kolya where's your mother?" I dunno she was just here a minute ago  ???

[Son of Clyde]

What really gets to me is having to wait in line and she leaves me to continue shopping. I have learned my lesson and refuse to stand in line if I am not holding any merchandise. It is unfair to hold her place if you do not have any physical evidence that you are purchasing anything.

[PeeWee]

You wanna know what problems us married guys have?  Do you have any idea how bad it is, walking down the mall and losing your wife when you didn't notice you had passed a cosmetics store?  Or, if you are actually in a store and on your way to the hardware section to buy something you really need and there is a gardening section on the way that catches her eye.  I swear, keeping track of a Born Again RW Shopper when she's on the loose in a mall is full time job. And never, never ever think that you can stop briefly to pick up a single item from a store on your way somewhere else.  The most dreaded words in the English language to an RW are, "wait in the car, honey, I'll be right back".

All of this presupposes that you have married "the right RW".  It can get a lot worse.

That just brought back a horrible memory. Several years ago my friend, the flight attendant, broke one of the wheels on her suitcase while she was visiting so I offered to stop her off at a nearby luggage store. "Only five minutes, Peevee, and them we go for dinner." Four stores, three hours, and one arguement later she had the suitcase. Two years later she picks me up at the Moscow airport and when I go to put my luggage into the back seat of her car what do I spot but the old suitcase with the broken wheels. Although I had taken said suitcase to a repair to have the wheels fixed for $60.00 plus the cost of the new suitcase at $175.00.

Another time I meet her and her daughter in NY city. "Peevee go shopping with us it wll be fun." Soon did I realize that I had but two purposes for that excursion. One was to carry the crap. "You must carry bags, Peevee, you don't want woman with beeg muscles do you?"  And two, you get to be the cash machine. That trip was to buy school clothes for 13 year old daughter. "I will pay you back, Peevee!" Of course she will. Married to one or not, do not go shopping with an RW.

New guys, do not go shopping with an RW. It is far worse than doing same with an AW.

[KenC]

Soon after Lena arrived, I thought I would treat her to a new leather coat. Silly me, I take her to the biggest megamall in the area. My way of thinking is to visit the couple of stores that specialize in leather coats, find one you like and buy it.Simple, right? Not with a RW. Even if you should find the perfect coat in the first store you visit, it is imperative that you verify that it is indeed the very best value by checking each and every store that might carry a leather coat! Three or four hours later, we purchased the coat from the original store that I took her to!!
KenC
(AKA pack mule for shopping

[Turboguy]

PS: (read between the lines - What happened to (ahem!)?

As far as I know nothing happened to "ahem!"  "Ahem!" is still driving bus and a few days ago was up at Zion National Monument.   Larisa was visiting some friends she has made in Phonex while he was up at Zion.   I am sure if he wanted any info posted here he would come here an tell everyone.  If I know more than what I have said I was told to keep it to myself.   I am sure "Ahem!" appreciates everyones well wishes and good thoughts.

[Markus]

I think "How to Shop with a RW" could go on forever. You see, I took Oksana to the Mall the day after Thanksgiving to show how miserable shopping can be with all the people. Well, that didn't work. I can't get her out of Home Depot even if only shopping for one item.  Forget the days of just walking in a buying what's necessary and leaving. I have to admit, my patience isn't exceedingly abundant when it comes to shopping.  Chairs work real good in clothing stores though.

Mark

[Killer-B]

LMAO uhmmm nooooo TG - Wrong "Ahem" LOL - Ref. our last PM - I still need to send you that link anyway... So will pick it up there.

KB