Possible to meet a woman with "non english"

[TomT]

No, no, no, dammit! Us old married bastards [phaffers] that still travel the FSU can't possibly be as in tune to the pulse of women there we know, as much as a habitual abysmal failure MOB'er/wife hunter/sextourist. (just so all the bases are covered) There is no way we can possibly know what the on the ground situation is. Being there, married to the women that these "experts" are seeking, living the life they seek, offers no insight whatsoever. I should just resign my forum membership now and declare all my advice as unworthy and inconsequential. I bow to Jay's who to date, has achieved all his dreams.

You are correct: in the future, only those who fail should be allowed to give advice and, the more miserably that they fail, the greater weight should be given to their counsel. After all, there is so much more to learn from failure than from success.

[mendeleyev]

This was an accurate assessment of the situation ten years ago, five years ago and remains accurate today.

Absolutely valid today as these gentlemen have mentioned.

The only difference today is that it is a lot less likely that an innocent lady would have the crap beat out of her later for interfering with normal business (prostitution) activities at a hotel. Any girl freelancing in their minds deserved a nasty visit to rearrange her face later.

Today the more common threat is to have her branded in her own neighborhood as a prostitute and thereby opening up opportunities for rape, etc.

[mendeleyev]

Bo, I'd say that you both were right on the дежурная (Dezhurnaya). The nickname key lady came from the fact that she took your key in the morning and gave it back upon your return but the name encompasses more than just keys, as in woman on duty.

Her job way back was to keep moral order--stop people from meeting who socially and morally shouldn't have been meeting and keeping a curfew after a certain hour by kicking visitors out of the room. Then it became more of a Soviet function of full employment as everyone was guaranteed a job even if the job seemed unnecessary and that also fit right in with the Soviet practice of everyone spying on each other and as Bo said, she was there to keep and eye and then report on what she saw.

In the early post Soviet period she was most certainly there to make sure that any ladies visiting a room were gals who "worked" at the hotel and I don't mean the maid staff.

Most hotels later did away with the lady on each floor and the key and passport exchange is made at the front desk: you surrender the passport at night and they give you the key. In the morning you surrender the key and get your passport back.

But the stigma can remain of why is that girl from our apartment block entering a hotel? What in the world could she be doing there?

[JayH]

Absolutely valid today as these gentlemen have mentioned.

The only difference today is that it is a lot less likely that an innocent lady would have the crap beat out of her later for interfering with normal business (prostitution) activities at a hotel. Any girl freelancing in their minds deserved a nasty visit to rearrange her face later.

Today the more common threat is to have her branded in her own neighborhood as a prostitute and thereby opening up opportunities for rape, etc.

Maybe you guys need to frequent a better class of hotel!! ( that's a joke )
I have rarely seen obvious prostitutes in Ukraine and never hanging around hotels I have stayed at--hence my comment that perhaps that observation was from the past.
The only time I have seen in numbers was in a city in central Ukraine where they congregated on a
street on the outskirts .I had actually driven down it as I arrived in that city and thought only fleetingly of what was going on there!! I found out on another night when we were on our way home and it was explained to me what that road was renowned for!!

[missAmeno]

The only time I have seen in numbers was in a city in central Ukraine where they congregated on a
street on the outskirts .

Did you watch that in American movies? 

[Chicagoguy]

At the Rossia Hotel the women would come knocking on my door every night. And yes, there was a floor lady.
It did NOT happen at the Metropol. The Intourist stopped me and my friend had to show her Russian passport and register as a guest. I had no problem with that nor did she.

[Ooooops]

Is it me or name "steveboy" clashes with respectable name of

Stefan Hendrick Is the owner and operator of International Russian dating site http://www.bridesandlovers.com    He is a British national who lives in St Petersburg.

[Ooooops]

There is something really wrong with quoting on this site! 

[TomT]

I have rarely seen obvious prostitutes in Ukraine and never hanging around hotels I have stayed at--hence my comment that perhaps that observation was from the past.

It's more likely that you wouldn't recognize a prostitute unless she had "SEX GIRL" tattooed across her forehead and discussed prices with you.

[ML]

I also, have rarely seen prostitutes in my entire life . . . except during my wild early years in the US Navy in Japan, Philippines, Hong Kong, etc.

Never in USA and only twice in Ukraine.  Sure, I suppose there were some around, but I never noticed any outward behavior that suggested such.

But, I don't spend time in bars nor in hotel lobbies,  etc.

I remember once I was in Washington DC for a week or so, and a local told me to avoid a particular street because it was over run with prostitutes.  So, of course, (just as with 'Wet Paint, Do Not Touch') myself and 2 other guys mosied over just to take a look.  Saw nary a sign.

Maybe I look like a 'vice squad cop' and they disperse when I am seen coming.

[Boethius]

I used to see prostitutes on the streets of my city fairly regularly, all the way back to my teens, as they used to ply their trades on busy downtown streets, as well as on the streets of Vancouver.  I don't see them as much now, as escort services are bigger, so they are hidden, and the part of town where street walkers are common is on the opposite side of the city, and not an area I normally would frequent.  Any prostitute I have seen has been strung out on drugs.

Prostitution is not illegal in Canada, but communicating for the purpose of prostitution is (that law currently is being challenged in the courts), so, they may be more common here. 

[mendeleyev]

There was a time when the slang for prostitute was точка (tochka) which meant point as in a point where males could go to find them, such as certain spots on the MKAD road circling Moscow. Today the term is the name of a popular entertainment magazine so I could be wrong but don't think the term is still in use.

More frequently it seems the term проститутка (prostitutka) is a better choice. Some argue that no one is hurt by it and as long as there are two willing partners, blah blah blah. The very fact that prostitution worldwide is a pimp culture begs to differ with the supposed innocence.

As for recognizing them, trust your FSU lady. Today many of the girls in Russia are from Asian countries such as China and Japan. Whether they can leave of their own free will is often questionable. Large hotels, especially some of the older hotels that are popular with Eastern European business travelers are places where you can find girls working. Typically they're dressed well and can be mistaken for an ordinary businesswoman.

This girl is drunk and doesn't look too happy about her profession:

[Ooooops]

When I was in college lots of Vietnamese students were peddling themselves for money.   And it was almost 30 years ago back in Soviet Union. 

[lordtiberius]

When I was in Iraq, American female soldiers were selling it. 

[Chicagoguy]

When I was in Iraq, American female soldiers were selling it. 

Really ? First time I heard that. Could you elaborate ?

[Muzh]

Really ? First time I heard that. Could you elaborate ?

And you believe anything the clown says?

[lordtiberius]

Really ? First time I heard that. Could you elaborate ?

During my second tour in Iraq in 2004 in Mosul or Diamondback, we met these postal workers - that was their job in the Army - 2 females.  There may have been more.  I hit on one of them not knowing they were whores.  They use to pal around our compound.  I saw one of them - the married one with kids - with two soldiers.  I just opened the door and something seemed odd.  My buddy told me afterwards that they were hookers - which makes sense given what they did and use to do.

[ML]

So you are saying that they really did deliver!!

[lordtiberius]

So you are saying that they really did deliver!!

(chuckling)

Not for me but I know those that did!

[Muzh]

During my second tour in Iraq in 2004 in Mosul or Diamondback, we met these postal workers - that was their job in the Army - 2 females.  There may have been more.  I hit on one of them not knowing they were whores.  They use to pal around our compound.  I saw one of them - the married one with kids - with two soldiers.  I just opened the door and something seemed odd.  My buddy told me afterwards that they were hookers - which makes sense given what they did and use to do.

Let me get this right.
 
The Army went to a brothel and recruited two prostitutes to work as postal workers while providing morale to the troops, correct? These women went to boot camp and got basic traning in whoring, right?
 
Do you hear yourself?

[mendeleyev]

Let me get this right.

I read it entirely differently, Muzh.

What he described is this: Their jobs were postal workers. What they did on the side, well in this case on their backs, and they made some extra cash. Nothing in the original story led the reader to assume that the US military has an official prostitution component.

[Slumba]

Let me get this right.
 
The Army went to a brothel and recruited two prostitutes to work as postal workers while providing morale to the troops, correct? These women went to boot camp and got basic traning in whoring, right?
 
Do you hear yourself?

No, I agree with Mendy's interpretation.  And the biggest and best whores work in Washington DC, by the way 

[ML]

. . . the biggest and best whores work in Washington DC, by the way 

How is this concept of 'biggest' measured?

Is it the opposite of 'tightest' or what?

[Chicagoguy]

How is this concept of 'biggest' measured?

Is it the opposite of 'tightest' or what?

I believe he means the politicians ???

[Ooooops]

How is this concept of 'biggest' measured?

Is it the opposite of 'tightest' or what?

When you write things like that it makes me wonder - are you that much frightened by female vagina?